Duffy has become a reformatory shill!!!

Wow, it sure didn't take long for Leftist Mental Disorder to show up and stink out the joint.

The MSM is a joke, nothing but tabloid trailer trash.

Just because Harper says an election isn't in the offing, I wouldn't count on his word like money in the bank. Ask seniors who were invested in income trusts how much faith they have in the PM's assurances.

I can see where a suprise election might fit in to Harper's plans…parliament was functioning better last year than this when he called the last one. Add in all the $$$ being spent to defame Ignatieff, and it is certainly grounds for reasonable speculation.

At least this time Stephen wouldn't have to justify why he ignored his own 'fixed election law' in calling one…we all know what that promise was worth. Mike Duffy is a prime example of another forgotten pledge, about leaving senate seats vacant.

Kate @ SDA has the goods – This is another fabricated story by the Lib-MSM.

http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/archives/011939…

Sooooooo Gordie, the principled thing to do would have been to leave them vacant and let the Liberals fill them when they get back into power (which, unfortunatley, is bound to happen one day). Yes, the Tories doing nothing and allowing the Liberals the eventual opportunity to stack the Senate with MORE Liberals senators would have been best for the Tories and their future goals in ultimatley fulfilling their agenda . After years of enjoying the advantage of a dominant Liberal senate, in no way shape or form would the Liberals EVER take advantage of that particular Tory pledge being adhered to. But you'll chastise the Tories for doing otherwise, even when they appoint ELECTED senators and ahve advocated the idea of an elected, more accountable senate, something the Liberals scorned.

You Liberals are a disgusting, hypocritical lot.

Whoever it is that is using the handle “terry1″ in order to make lefttards appear to be halfwitted no-minds, please stop. We already know it.

You sound just like the commenters in the Guardian article. Like them, you appear to have taken that article and run with it despite the fact that there is nothing to back up your statement. You obviously have your own agenda and follow it blindly. Can you spell L-E-M-M-I-N-G, terry1? I'm sure that you'll find the word 'Liberal' somewhere in the political definition.

Bruce , dementia is a sad thing and you have my sympathies. Liberals are centrists and use deodorant regularly.

gordiecanuk,If you show the word “Ethics” to any tory they run and hide. If you show it to Harpo he imediately issues another lie.

LycanStark, the point made was that Harpo couldn't keep a promise if his life depended on it. Why didn't he bring his senate reform promise to parliament instead of stscking it against his principles? Oh yea, he has no principles.

You reformatorts are an unprincipled bunch of liars and your heroes are the worst economic mangers since Mulroney and that was the last non Liberal government.

blame crash…having blame in your name typifies reformatory whining.

daveinguelph, kate is typical reformatory, she's a flake.

There was nothing centrist about a “Greenshift”.

http://www.thestar.com/business/article/676329
“Economy on the rebound
Green shoots begin to bloom: Condo sales are up; auto news is (a bit) brighter and TSX tops 11,000 …

Investors had reason to be happy yesterday. Toronto's S&P/TSX composite index soared 230.95 points to 11,018.10, surpassing the 11,000 mark for the first time since Oct. 1, 2008. The market, which bottomed out at 7,566.9 on March 9, has risen by 45 per cent since.”

Not part of the actual headlines, but still a reality:
Liberals Worry Economy Improving

http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/Ignatieff+t…
“… Ignatieff should have learned from the June debacle in the House, when Harper rescued him from his own election threats, that he can't keep playing the election game of maybe and maybe not.

Ignatieff looked irresolute and irresponsible then, and did again last week when he gave a TV interview saying he wanted to work with the government on EI but they were making it hard.” [my bolds]

http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/07/29/what-exactly…
“Michael Ignatieff, Thursday [July 23]. “I’ve always indicated a certain flexibility on 360 but not that much,” Ignatieff said. ”So we’re going to have some tough discussions with the government.”

Michael Ignatieff, last month [June 19]. The Liberals have been pressing for a uniform eligibility standard and had initially been advocating a system in which anyone who works 360 hours would qualify for EI. Now, Mr. Ignatieff has indicated that as long as the reform provides some fairness and equity, he’s willing to negotiate with the governing Tories as they strive to reach a deal before Parliament returns in late September.”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghVQ1TjZa20&feat…

Just in case some people are wondering … do I want an election? No.
Do we need an election? Not as far as I'm concerned.
When should the next election take place? The fall of 2012.

Yes, I suggested it in the winter. The Lib plan is to hope and pray that Canadians lose their homes and declare bankruptcy. Now that things are looking much better the usual suspects posting here and elsewhere will try to remain pessimistic about this country. Presumably they will argue ,that those of us who feel better about vacationing, renovating and purchasing major items like cars etc. are fools.

More good news …
http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/676291
“ Panama-Canada trade pact on the horizon
Harper to sign accord during visit next week

… Two-way merchandise trade between Canada and Panama reached $149 million last year.
The deal with Panama continues one of the Harper government's foreign priorities – expanding Canada's ties with Latin America through increased aid and trade.
International Trade Minister Stockwell Day yesterday welcomed a free trade deal between Canada and Peru, which went into effect this week. … “

David, there is nothing conservative about a $150bb DEFICIT that your party is building with the tax cuts they gave you.

Gabby. Libs are not worried about the economy recovering. It was never their intention to fight an election on the current economy. You Tories never learn.

Gabby. Libs are not worried about the economy recovering. It was never their intention to fight an election on the current economy. You Tories never learn.

Go crawl back under your rock Troll. Nobody gives a shit what a left-libtard thinks here.

Keep drinking that kool aid Terri and keep that tin foil hat on real tight.

The yawner who commented here looks familiar … is that the person formerly known as Red Tory?
I'm just curious.

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http://www.theguardian.pe.ca/index.cfm?sid=2751…
“Duffy Harper's front man, Easter charges
TERESA WRIGHT
The Guardian
Electioneering-like comments made Monday by P.E.I. senator Mike Duffy were inappropriate and prove he’s a front man for Harper, says Malpeque MP Wayne Easter. …”

Mr. Easter seems to have forgotten one of the primary roles of the senate is regional representation. Since Sen. Duffy represents PEI, does it not make sense he should be there informing Islanders what projects the federal government has undertaken for that province?

David, you used one of the magic words … renovations …

http://www.portagedailygraphic.com/ArticleDispl…
“OTTAWA — Recessions are supposed to mean hard times for industries that sell non-essentials, but it appears that a federal government tax break designed to stimulate home renovations is working its magic even though it has yet to be passed by Parliament. [my bolds]

The Home Renovation Tax Credit, launched as a part of the Conservative government's recession busting budget, gives home-owners a rebate of up to $1,350 if they spend up to $10,000 renovating their homes or cottages between Jan. 27, 2009 and Feb. 1, 2010.

Rob Wallace, a spokesman for Home Hardware, says the credit has “absolutely” improved business for his company.

“What we are hearing from our dealers right across the country is that people are definitely taking advantage of this opportunity to invest in their homes,” said Wallace.

At Home Depot there has been a “significant amount of traffic” to the part of the company's website that explains how the credit works.

“Since the HRTC was announced, we have seen an increase in interest from our customers, specifically in regards to smaller home improvement projects,” said Paul Berto a Home Depot spokesman.

According to a Statistics Canada report released July 22, retail sales at home centres and hardware stores jumped 1.1 per cent in May over April, marking the third consecutive month of gains. …”

1. I am not a Conservative. I do not donate to any political party; never have.

2. Huge deficits occur in every country run by every gov’t of every party.

3. If it was wrong to give the tax cuts then I would sugget that Iggy say so. He won’t. Essentially the tax cut was supported by Libs. They have supported ALL of Flaherty’s budgets.

4. The “Greenshift” was a hard leftist policy that would have destroyed the private sector particularly in Ontario. We dodged a bullet.

Over 540 million for an island of only 140,000 people? That’s almost $4000 per person!

I’m going to be sick.

Terri repeats itself, it has short circuited yet again, faulty manufacturing and design.

David, You do or you would not respond from under your mushroom.

Actually Terry1 and until the LPC figures this out they are doomed, we the people will decide what the election is to be fought on, be it the economy or healthcare or Afgan. The parties might try and direct the path, but lets see how well that works out. It hasnt worked in the past and it will not work this time, why do you figure the parties are consently changing their script, because we the voters will decide what is important to us and they will respond.

gabby, is this a cover up for the news that the rats are deserting the big rat's ship in droves:

ON EXPERIENCED POLITICAL STAFF

——————————————————————————–

Wednesday, August 5, 2009, 08:59 AM
On the one hand, it's kind of silly to overstate the importance of political staff and advisers. Staffers, mostly unseen, come and go; politicians are the ones who are remembered. That’s just the way it is.

On the other hand, it's fair to observe that Stephen Harper is losing – or has lost – the experienced people who helped him win power. Patrick Muttart, Kory Teneycke, Mark Cameron, Tom Flanagan, Ian Brodie, Sandra Buckler and now Carolyn Stewart-Olsen – whether you like them or not (and I(WK) know and respect most of them), you have to acknowledge that each have contributed significantly to the Reformatory leader’s fortunes. They got him to where he had no business being.

It may be that they, and other RefCon staffers, are eyeing the exits because perpetual minority governments aren’t very amenable to long-term life-planning. It may be that some, or all of them, got tired. And it may be that Mr. Angry is a very, very difficult man to work for. More than anything else, I suspect that last reason is the big one – but we’ll never know for sure.

What we do know is that the adults who got Stephen Harper into 24 Sussex are voting with their feet. And the puerile crew they’re leaving behind are the ones who – soon enough – will be experiencing the joys and splendor of Opposition, or the private sector.

Who knows? Maybe they’ll even learn from the experience.

Kingston, why do you think the Libs are silent these days? they are looking a ttheir options and platform. They don't need your permission to do that.

you are a dreamer.

Blah blah blah …

Yes, Terry1, your oracle has spoken.

And you're parroting your oracle again.

Afraid to fill your own page with a bunch of typos and spelling mistakes?

Do you ever read anything else?

So what else is new?

Terry1, when it comes to the 'HOUSE OF GOD the media has no business of writing about anyone. whatever transpired in HIS House is between that person and GOD Himself. BACK OFF

No Terry1, you come across to me as the reason I stopped supporting the LPC. Your we know what is best for you attitude which doesn't work for me and hasn't since I became responsible for my own actions. The LPC is the party of the big dream and lies, tell the great unwashed what you think they want to hear and then ignore them, Daycare, promised since the first red book, get rid of the GST, promised in the first red book, corruption on a scale never before seen in Canadian politics and how do we fix that we switch leaders a couple of times but leave the people behind the leaders in place the same ones who are eitherly totally incompentent not to have seen what was going or did not care. Your the dreamer Terry1 for believing the LPC has changed, just because WK says so,, doesnt make it true

gordiecanuck just to correct your narrow thinking, it was a former Liberal finance minister by the name of John Manley, your remember him that said that the income trust introduced by Paul Martin was the biggest mistake and the Prime Minister was right to cancel the income trust. That alone did more to reduce the government revenues than the 2% gst tax cuts.

Second the dollars spent on the attach ads are not tax dollars, this is conservative fund raising money. and as for defaming Ignatieff, all these ads do is high light Ignatieffs comments when he was teaching in the U S and in England. How quickly you forget that Paul Martin used the attach ads to defame Mr. Harper. e.g. Paul Martins ad that the PM would have military boots in Canadian cities.

Next the fixed election law pertains to majority governments, not minority governments as the opposition can defeat a minority government at any time. Think back to Jean Chretien in the 1990's he had three majority governments and not one went to the full term.

As to Senate appointments, it was the Libs that used the senate to reward their cronies, as well as reward political hacks with cushy jobs such as chairman of via rail, president of the cbc etc.

Terry1; first a little lesson in Catholicism; First it is not a wafer, cookie, bread, etc this is the Body of Christ and in the Catholic religion it is a holy sacrament so I wish that you would stop your idiotic and assinine comments and respect other religions and beliefs. I do not comment on your religious beliefs therefore respect mine.

Second It was Mr Dominic Leblanc Liberal MP that came out and thanked the Prime Minister for his kind words at Romeo Leblance funeral, Dominic also made mention that he was disgusted with the media and the spin in the way the whole event was handled.

Please drop the crap spin

Good post Gabby, the libs are scared because they see that the economy is turning around, and they know that they (libs) cannot blame the PM and Conservatives anymore, so they would not be able to justify defeating the government in the fall.

Still…you have to admit that “We are moving heaven and earth” is a bit much. I do like the royal “we”.

Thanks, Rich.

Gabby, what else is new is that the Libs have the better team now. My so called “oracle” is just starting to have fun.

Jen, when a public person who is on TV and not some amateur video he needs to act properly. I agree that rteligion is a private thing which is one of the reasons I detest Harpo. He brings religion into our secular structure and would like to have it a s the guiding principle of government. governments that rule by religious sentiment are generally the worst and most corrupt.

Rich, I call it a host which most Catholics that I know do and I respect it totally. I know what it represents to RC's which is why Harpo's actions disgust me and many many others.

FYI it is Warren Kinsella who is keeping this more than alive. WK's daughter is the god child of the late Romeo leblanc and the two families are very close.

So I think its you who has the “crap spin” or maybe its diaherra….verbal or otherwise.

Kingston, I have one example of real corruption for you. brian Mulroney taking cash from an Airbus lobbyst while still in office. Not one Liberal MP or PM or cabinet ministe rhas been touvhed legally by the adscam scandal.

Your repsonsibility for personal actions obviuously doesn't take into consideration ALL facts.

I don't think the LPC has per se changed its demaeanour or core philosphy other than with leadership changes. They are the party of the people and the only one in existence since confederation. They have a traditon that is as rich as Canada itself. The Reformatories have deficits an dpopulism going for them and no principles or ethics of any kind.

Thank you Rick. Well said. However I think it is lost on the Liberal Minds. It's too small to remember.

Gabby , the improvement of our economy is the one thing the Libs hoped would not happen. Now they don't know how to handle it.

Gabby , I think there is not only bla, bla, but also the mistaken idea, that the political staff does not work their butts off. I know of one case, Vacation with the blackberry and conference calls twice a day. I am surprised that we don' t have more burned out staff. Of course this never happened under the Liberals because they never worked on the weekends.

Omanator, you would like that as all his facts are incorrect. You have found a buddy who shares your ignorance of things factual.

1. The election was not only for majority governments. It was conceived to ensure the PM could not arbitrarily call an election. He either had to be defeated or wait four full years. He broke his own law.

2. dollars spent on “attach” ads are in part taxpayer as the party is a registered non profit organization that gives out huge tax receipts. So, in part all Canadians are paying for that garbage and the 10 per centers as well.

3. As to appointments that one is so funny considering who Harpo has sent to the senate and other key jobs around the Country. In his accountability promise he had said all governments would be subject to parliamentary review. He has done nothing of the kind which shows he is full of it.

4. I won't even go there on the income trust issue as the ignorance displayed by Rich will never ever allow me to explain the real facts in a manner he would understand.

Omanator, hard work appears to be a foreign concept to many Liberals. After all, they think they're entitled to their entitlements, don't cha know.

Terry1 and his oracle appear to be suffering from a bit of amnesia. They're making a big deal of Conservative staffing changes, but what about these made by their caring leader?
http://tinyurl.com/lmfvtn
“Ignatieff shakes up OLO, lays off 11 senior Dion political aides
Newly-minted Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff to set a new course, with his own loyal staff.
To put his own stamp on the staff of the OLO, newly-minted Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff and his top advisers have been busy finalizing their staffing details while 11 senior Stéphane Dion advisers have already been let go.

Johanne Senécal, former chief of staff to former leader Stéphane Dion (Saint-Laurent-Cartierville, Que.) in a memo on Dec. 11 broke the news to staffers who lost their jobs.

“We, the recipients, of this email are being terminated effective tomorrow Dec. 12. We will benefit from a separation pay for a period of 60 days. To that is added four per cent vacation pay as well as your individual entitlement for years of service (two weeks for the first year and one week for years thereafter). … Hope that you are all doing well,” wrote Ms. Senécal in the memo obtained by Hill Climbers on Thursday, Dec. 11. …”

OK, so it wasn't a baker's dozen.
But hey, notice the date on those pink slips: Dec. 11, 2008.
Nice Christmas/Hanukkah present, eh?

Gabby, now you are really stretching the facts. These reformatory changes are people who have stepped down of their own volition. the Lib changes came about as a change in management came about.

You are simply hiding the fact there is a huge hole that Harpo has created. They may also know he is getting ready to resign.

Fantasizing again, Terry1?

http://www.thehilltimes.ca/html/index.php?displ…
The Hill Times, August 3, 2009
More top-ranking Cabinet chiefs of staff shuffled, Tories poised for House's return
Indian Affairs Minister Chuck Strahl, Energy Minister Lisa Raitt, and Fisheries Minister Gail Shea hire new chiefs of staff.
By Abbas Rana
Three more Cabinet ministers' chiefs of staff have been moved to new portfolios as part of the Prime Minister's Office shuffle of some top-ranking political staffers this summer. …” [my bolds]

See, Terry1? Your guys fired their staffers.
They ended up with pink slips.

My guys shuffled their staffers.
They end up with more experience.

Gabby, as usual your knowledge is superificial. The Liberal party replaced their own employees not civil service government department heads.

I can repeat it in bold and in big letters if you need me to.

The fact remains that seveal members of the PMO have left the government entirely. Shuffling the deck of civil servants is another game Harpo because of his didtrust of the senior civil service which he believes is infiltrated with Liberals. Go ask almost anyone who works in Ottawa how they like working for the reformatory government.

Terry1: “The Liberal party replaced their own employees not civil service department heads as STATED in the article.

NOT civil service, but rather Cabinet minister staffers.
The Conservatives shuffled their staffers, the Liberals fired theirs.

“I can repeat it in bold and in big letters if you need me to.”

Oh, BTW, from the same Hill Times article:
“But last week, senior Cabinet staffers seemed satisfied with the shuffle.”

And the bolding function somehow got away from me … ;-D

Duffy is not a politician, he's a patronage whore, with apologies to actual whores, who are deserving of some respect.

gabby, One last try at educating you. When Harper became leader did he keep the people from the previous leader? You consistently mix apples and oranges because of the confusion at BEING ANTI LIBERAL

Oh, poor Terry1! The victim of someone who's anti-Liberal!
Quick! get the kleenex out, cue the violins!
You continue to amuse …

“When Harper became leader did he keep the people from the previous leader?”
In short, you are conceding that your leader fired staffers and mine shuffled his, not fired them. Thank you.

And now to your question: “When Harper became leader did he keep the people from the previous leader?”
Maybe not, perhaps because he became the leader of a newly formed party. You know, like “two, two, two mints in one”?
Soooo, new party, new staff. I’m not one to obsess over such trivia.

And just a reminder … you and your oracle have been torquing the staff changes as some dire predictor of trouble brewing in the PMO.
Now you're trying to justify those changes in your leader's OLO.
So, staff changes are justified only if done by Liberals? Is that what you're advancing as a logical argument?

Gabby, you leave me speechless for the simple reason you're logic is so far out in LEFT field I fear you've become a socialist like Harpo.

“Gabby, you leave me speechless …”
Ahhh! Peace at last!

BTW, “you're” = you are
whereas “your” = not mine
You're welcome.

Spelling issue comes from having a secretary for many years and not having to do my own letter writing.

However, when I decide to give up my current career, probably not anytime soon, and become an English major I will ask for your advice.

Check out the latest Ekos poll!

Parnella……..I did check it out. It tells me that after a summer of Harpo's pork barreling and, with Iggy out of the headlines, the reformatories should be in much better shape. Speaks well to a Liberal election win this fall.

Terry1 – good luck with the nomination in Dufferin. You might just be in luck in that there are likely just enough Liberal sheep in that riding who’ve voted Liberal for decades to squeek by!

Again , you are dead on. Its the typical entitlement crowd.
However here is another problem. What has happened to the Maire of Ottawa
turns out to be much more sinister. He is cleared of all charges and guess
what, the media is still talking of ” his attempt to persuede his competitor
to quit the race…….” All the people involved in this whole smear
campaign are Liberals. I cannot believe- having been a card carrying Liberal
for 15 years- that the Fed. and Provincial Liberals have turned into an
Outhouse of smear, lies and innuendos. Are there no decent people in these
parties left to object to this?

gabby, this will get your jaw moving very fast:

http://bigcitylib.blogspot.com/

I love the picture of harpo at the end of the U-Tube piece. Great photo op for the kinsella ads.

Oamnator if you had two live brain cells they would be dangerous.

Gabby I am busting with laughter. Harper a Socialist? What did Terry drink. Frankly, I am not even going to answer to his spinnings.

Blame Crash. The Idea that Duffy mentioned an election is so typical for the Liberal Spin . Nothing but lies. They have no character to stick to the facts.

Not only that. The Mortgage rates at present are the best they haven been for years. Nobody needs to loose their home. That is a Liberal Wish that will never come trues. Like most of their spin.

Omanator… do you really think interest rates are this low due to Harpos handling of the economy? If so I know know why you vote for them.

THEY ARE AT THEIR LOWEST IN ALMOST EVERY COUNTRY IN THE WORLD THESE DAYS. I SUPPOSE YOU THINK HARPO DID THAT ALSO.

You are one sad excuse.

By the way Gabby, has that renovation tax rebate legislation passed in parliament yet?

Dindi I take it your also looking for an appology?

no she's looking for an “apology” not an appology. its not “your” but “you are” or “you're”

Thank Gabby for her spelling lessons……..I'm here to preach good spelling after my indocrination from her. LOL

How did I do Gabby?………….LOL

Oh, I see, being behind is better than being ahead, depending on who happens to be ahead.

parnella, did I say that or did I explain why the poll is what it is. Obviously you are too focused on small minded things. that usually explains reformatort so called logical thinking.

My guess is that the Tories are waiting for to offer Ignatieff the chance to take it away.

stephen, Gabby will have to correct your bad grammar.
Iggy has some better plans for consumers around that rebate legislation and will demand changes to it that Harpo could not refuse. I think the Libs are in a wonderful position here.

“Gabby will have to correct your bad grammar.”
Terry1, I only correct those who make an effort to be as obnoxious and discourteous as possible.

“THEY ARE AT THEIR LOWEST IN ALMOST EVERY COUNTRY IN THE WORLD THESE DAYS. I SUPPOSE YOU THINK HARPO DID THAT ALSO.”
Using all caps is the equivalent of shouting, according to Net-etiquette.

If you are arguing that low interest rates are a world-wide phenomenon, then you are in effect conceding that the recession was not a Harper creation, as you and your buddies have stated. It too is a world-wide phenomenon, as are the signs of recovery.

More evidence of double-speak, par for the course.

More evidence of double-speak, par for the course … for Terry1, I neglected to specify.

Gabby, Sometimes caps are for emphasis only. In my world that's acceptable.

I never said the recession was a harpo phenomenon. I and many many others thought harpo was in denial that it had actually hit. He needed a coalition kick in the groin to wake him up.

The current signs of recovery are the result of what they call a dead cat bounce. We will see more economic stress again in a short while as the signs of real recovery are not there.

Gabby, so you mean to say that $150BB deficits are conservative platforms.

The double speak is reformatort lies.

Is it any wonder that , but with a few exceptions, “journalists” are now right up there on the social scale with used-car salesman, carnies, and lying liars in general.

Talk about the ultimate in Hypocrisy in politics…. Who else but Jack Layton and the NDP could win that award? At the big NDP shindig in Halifax, the Dippers are having an American as a keynote speaker – imagine, one of those big, bad Americans. Now, can you imagine if the Conservative Party ever had an American doing the keynote at their convention. Why, Jack Layton and the Dipper lemmings would be howling to the media how Harper is in bed with America, yadda, yadda. Just one more example, not that we needed any, of the kings of HYPOCRISY – the NDP.

On the assumption you are in favour of this egregious , wasteful expenditure, Gabby, let's examine it , shall we. Now, in the name of all taxpayers, your boy Steve has racked up a huge debt on the public credit card and is going to redirect those funds to a select few (renovators), for purchases made in a small part of the retail economy (home centres and hardware stores) at the expense of the non-renovating taxpayer and non-home centre retail sector. This is a classic smoke and mirrors false economy, taking money from renters and those who renovated last year and those who may renovate next year, who won't have that consumption dollar to spend in the retail sector of their choice because they have to subsidize the sector that Steve and the Conservatives have chosen as the worthy winners. Why doesn't Steve buy $5 billion in Canadian Tire money and give it to those whose last names begin with the first five letters of the alphabet? It would amount to the same thing. And Canadian Tire would be singing it's praises. And you people call yourselves conservative why, exactly???

And you are…what? A shill for the Liberal party? Hmmmm.

Income trusts – okay, if we're going to be a broken record, then let's talk about a broken GST-scrapping promise, AdScam, Dingwall, Radwanski, golf balls. Oh, sorry, we only dredge up that sort of stuff when it's the Conservatives.

Do you not find it odd that, after harping at our PM for the income trust issue, in the Liberal platform, it was only a reduction and not the scrapping of the tax on income trusts? Wait, the Liberals don't actually scrap taxes (like the GST) but talk like they will. My bad. My Lib-speak language skills are rusty. I have a hard time thinking like a liar.

There is nothing to which one can respond. How does one respond to troll blathering and crapola?

Okay, sock puppet speaking points. Tell me, exactly, how Mr. Harper has brought religion into our secular structure? I've heard the same sort of thing from Liberal sock puppets over and over but not one of you sock puppets has ever given one example. As a Christian man, I don't recognize anything Mr. Harper has done that brings religion into our secular structure.

BTW – do you realize that many of our laws are based on God's word? Let's see – murder is illegal and punishable: Thou shalt not kill. Robbery is illegal: Thou shalt not steal. Just two examples. So, are you going to blame Mr. Harper for that? Shall we abolish those silly faith-based laws?

I'll bet you covet your neighbour's ass, though.

Same for us Anglicans.

Unless you were there, you have no idea what really happened. Funny, the church itself had no problem and even backed up our PM. If this is the worst thing you can fabricate about our PM, then he must be doing a great job of running the country. Actually, he is doing a great job – even some complimentary articles are running in the Star.

My mother did some home renos and she is getting back a mittful from both levels of government. Check your stuff, Terry.

You're such a cute little sock puppet.

I thought you said you were speechless. Typical Lib – say one thing and do another. I think it's called “lying”.

That is, by far, the dumbest argument I have ever read. Holey smokes – talk about clutching at straws – in a completely different barn. Cue twilight zone theme.

Oh, so I guess we should respect you – since whores are deserving of respect.

E of E….I'm not a reformatort senator nor one from any party. Duffy is in good Quebec French a “Putain”

E of E……You think liike a liar by being a reformatort supporter. They tried to foist another whopper yesterday with the costs of the Lib EI proposal which was backed by reputable private sector economists, the same ones who rightfully said flatulence was way too low in his deficit estimates back when.

She won't get it back until she files her tax return, if the law passes as is. Shows how little you know.

I think you need to check your stuff……….your underwear is way too tight.

And you are not……….how's that for name calling. The depth of your discussion here is from your lower cranium.

Dindi, the “small part of the retail economy” includes not only the home centres and hardware stores, but also the people who manufacture the products sold in those places, the people who deliver those products, as well as the people who instal those products. Among those workers may be the renters, the ones the government is “taking money away from,” according to you.

Examples of HRTC eligible expenses ( H/T http://www.journalofcommerce.com/article/id34804 for the list):
• Renovating a kitchen, bathroom, or basement
• Windows and doors
• New carpet or hardwood floors
• New furnace, boiler, woodstove, fireplace, water softener, water heater, or oil tank
• Permanent home ventilation systems
• Central air conditioner
• Permanent reverse osmosis systems
• Septic systems
• Wells
• Electrical wiring in the home (e.g., changing from 100 amp to 200 amp service)
• Home Security System (monthly fees do not qualify)
• Solar panels and solar panel trackers
• Painting the interior or exterior of a house
• Building an addition, garage, deck, garden/storage shed, or fence
• A new driveway or resurfacing a driveway
• Exterior shutters and awnings
• Permanent swimming pools (in ground and above ground)
• Permanent hot tub and installation costs
• Pool liners
• Solar heaters and heat pumps for pools (does not include solar blankets)
• Landscaping: new sod, perennial shrubs and flowers, trees, large rocks, permanent garden lighting, permanent water fountain, permanent ponds, large permanent garden ornaments.
• Retaining walls
• Associated costs such as installation, permits, professional services, equipment rentals, and incidental expenses (Generally, most work performed by electricians, plumbers, carpenters, architects, etc. should qualify for the tax credit)
• Fixtures – blinds, shades, shutters, lights, ceiling fans, etc. (Window coverings, such as blinds, shutters and shades, that are directly attached to the window frame and whose removal would alter the nature of the dwelling are generally considered to be fixtures (i.e., has become part of the home) and therefore would qualify for the HRTC)

Some of those improvements may be “greener” products or systems, so not only is the economy kept chugging along, the environment is helped too.
Among those workers, manufacturers, installers, buyers, and sellers of home reno products, there are bound to be some who vote Liberal, NDP, not just Conservative.

That’s why we people call ourselves conservative, exactly.
Because we want to see our fellow Canadians working at honest jobs.

Lets see now you put about ten posts on here this am and none of them added even one thought or debate point. Must be fun to be mindless in the am.

Gabby, Your printing of the stuff allowed is a good service. I had a question about something I want to do and the answer is there. I'm getting on that bandwagon of borrowing from myself to get that rebate. I couldn't get on the family bribery check every month and I have no major GST expenses so this is my only chance t help the deficit grow. That's what reformatorts want isn't it. The opportunity to leave canada's finances in such bad shape the Liberals will have a gargantuan task to clean them up starting later this fall.

That being said the renovation grant is good…..the tax reductions were garbage con sidering the deficit that has now been created. By the way job numbers out this am don't really support your claim that the renovation grant is that good because Construction employment was down in many provinces this past month which showed 46,000 more people were laid off per stats can figures out an hour ago.

And there are a couple of good Quebec French words for you, as well.

Holey Smokes, Tarpo, and you can say that in light of Chretien's lies? Tarpo, you need to get off that stuff you're smoking.

Terry the law is almost certain to pass.

From the CTV article http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTV…

“And while Whitelaw believes it is highly unlikely that the tax credit will not go forward, Canadians should know that it has not been passed into law.

'Carry on with those expenditures, know that I'm sure our colleagues and people in government will be working diligently to pass this — whatever party might be in power, within the next year — so that it will be in effect…for the tax year,” Whitelaw said.'

Essentially this expert is saying that while it technically isn't passed yet, Canadians should act as though it is because it is highly unlikely it won't get passed and we should operate under the assumption that we will be able to claim it on our tax returns.

Terry the law is almost certain to pass.

From the CTV article http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTV…

“And while Whitelaw believes it is highly unlikely that the tax credit will not go forward, Canadians should know that it has not been passed into law.

'Carry on with those expenditures, know that I'm sure our colleagues and people in government will be working diligently to pass this — whatever party might be in power, within the next year — so that it will be in effect…for the tax year,” Whitelaw said.'

Essentially this expert is saying that while it technically isn't passed yet, Canadians should act as though it is because it is highly unlikely it won't get passed and we should operate under the assumption that we will be able to claim it on our tax returns.

I will help you with those words:

terry 1 est un homme tres gentil, un vrai Liberal!!!!!

LOL

Gee whiz Terry for someone who uses the word “Reformatory” so much your usage of Brian Mulroney as an example to demonstrate Conservative corruption is a pretty weak one. Many supporters of the current Conservative party despise Mulroney, myself included – he was no friend of the west, let me tell you. In fact, our PM distanced himself from Mulroney, something that you have criticized him for.

Which is it?

Oh, and Terry, if you think ADSCAM wasn't a big deal because no Liberal party MP suffered legal implications, you are a sheep and an apologist.

alex in edmonton……….I'm pretty sure it will pass also but maybe under a liberal government that will enhance the program to make it even broader. The reformatorts only know how to slice and dice and not take all canadians into consideration.

Alex in Edmonton………the supporters of the current party do indeed detest Mulroney because most of you are reformatorts. I do note that Peter Mckay and some other real progressives do still support Mulroney and some of them detest Harpo.

As fro being a friend of the west………..you people out there are brainwashed to believe that every so called eastern PM is against the west. its time you folks stopped the whining and get on with it. Its all BS.

I never said Adscam wasn't a big deal;in fact I think it was very much a big deal but I also understand very clearly that no Liberal cabinet minister or MP was directly involved in the scandal.

You will find I'm no sheep like you westerners are and no apologist. I think and know that Harpo will go down as the worst PM in recent history and I make no apologies for that thinking.

This is the problem with the Liberal party and why they will never be relevant outside of their pockets of support in Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver. Calling westerners sheep because we have different political and cultural values than the east (and as such, refuse to vote for your so-called natural governing party of Canada)? This is why I can't take Iggy seriously when he says he wants to make amends with Alberta, because the party's base voter thinks this way abou the west. It's one thing to disagree with us Terry, but why do you insist on insulting us by labeling us sheep? Eastern Canadians don't gain anything by provoking the economic might of the western provinces, but the Liberal party gains votes from voters like you.

As for “whining,” when the Federal government intervenes in provincial government affairs such as natural resources (NEP) and sends unemployment skyrocketing from 4% to 10% to help out Ontario… well, I'm sorry we're still “not over it.” When Dion campaigns on “fixing Alberta's reputation” (actual quote said at the Calgary Stampede!) and the Green Shift (aka screwing over the west, particularly the oil sands) then you will have to excuse us if we're no on board with Toronto's agenda.

Thanks for demonstrating everything that's wrong with the Liberal party, Terry.

So you don't think it will pass if the Conservatives still form the government?

This basically translates to “this is a good bill, but only if it comes from the Liberal party.” Not really sure which Canadians this bill ignores Terry and how the Liberals would improve it to reach more. They definitely haven't said anything about it, so you are just speculating and assuming that God's gift to Canada, the Liberal Party, will have a better version of the bill.

Or maybe you just think the bill will instantly become better if it comes from the Liberals and not the Conservatives.

Gee whiz Terry are you sure you're not an apologist?

alex in Edmonton…….its ok to be called sheep living in the liberal east but not so ok if you live in the west and vote for no other party than tories either federally or provincially. The provincial government is absolutely the worst run government in all of Canada,even worse than the current federal one.

In terms of the east so called screwing the west one must remember that it was the east who built the railway to unite the country and it was eastern money that financed the start of alberta's oil economy. I think you need to open your mind a little and realize we have all contributed to each other's wealth in this very wealthy country.
alberta's unemployment is very close to 10% right now. Whose fault is it now?

If the reformatorts get defeated in september the bill dies on the order paper. if the libs get elected they will reopen the bill and add to it. Is that too simple a concept for you?

the libs would improve access to other project type situations that cover off more canadians with necessities to purchase.

I'm still not apologizing.

1) I called YOU a sheep, Terry, for refusing to acknowledge that adscam had anything to do with the Liberal party.

2) Thanks for taking the bait (and proving you have very little knowledge of Alberta's politics, thereby destroying your entire statement)- I actually don't support the PC party in Alberta. We are conservative by nature out here, so you'll have to excuse us if the provincial Liberal and NDP party do not represent our interests. However, I am actually a supporter of the Wildrose Alliance party. I'd much rather have them than the PC party in Alberta because I actually do agree with you here – they haven't been doing a very good job.

3) This is a pretty ignorant statement – it was the “East” that build the railways. When the railway was built Canada was not organized geographically as it is now, Terry. In fact, Alberta and Saskatchewan did not exist as provinces. Hell, in those days Ontario was “the west” when talking about Canada. Are you seriously saying western Canadians owe eastern Canada a lifetime of debt for the railway and as such we shouldn't complain when an eastern based party deliberately acts against our interests? Are you trying to discredit yourself (further) Terry?

4) This is a funny comment because in another post you said in a very mature manner: “”THEY ARE AT THEIR LOWEST IN ALMOST EVERY COUNTRY IN THE WORLD THESE DAYS. I SUPPOSE YOU THINK HARPO DID THAT ALSO.”

So are you now blaming Conservatives for Alberta's unemployment? I might say it has more to do with the global economy, since you have already shown anything good that happens is not a result of the Conservatives. But anything bad is?

Common, Terry, you're boring us.

So again, the bill is bad when it comes from Conservatives but good coming from Liberals?

“the libs would improve access to other project type situations that cover off more canadians with necessities to purchase. “

Oh ok, thanks for clearing that up for us Terry. Can you provide us with a link, like an official party statement saying they will do this?

Wait, you don't have one?

..So you are speculating then?

1. I took your sheep bait and admitted that adscam was serious stuff and will reiterate that the Liberal party itself was not involved in Adscam. Certain liberal party supporters did take advantage of a situation. But the PM at the time never took cash from a crook while in office. remember that piece of information as it counts as a serious affront to our democracy.

2. I know much more about certain things in Alberta than you will ever learn. The wild rose guys are just reformatorts lite and probably will get elected some day. As for Albertans being conservative that is only partially true.

3. My point is that this country was built and continues to be built with the efforts of all Canadians. All of a sudden though some Albertans think they should go it alone and to hell with the ROC because they have oil in the ground.

4. I was referring specifically to interest rates. You blamed Libs for the last high unemployment rate in AB. when it was also a part of that particular period's energy meltdown. You can't have it both ways.

You are not only boring yourself but you sure are blind to reality.

1. Please stop using Mulroney. I don't support Mulroney. Or at least, stop using him as an example and then labeling me as a reformatory in the same post. You can't have it both ways, Terry.

2.Why would you even make this statement, Terry? In civil debate you cannot just claim you know more than your opponent and expect that to be the end of it. I'm an Albertan who is entitled to his opinion and his vote. If Albertans are sheep because they only vote for the PC party, but that the “reformatory-lite” Wildrose Alliance party will someday get elected… how are we sheep exactly? Basically you are saying Albertans are willing to vote for different political parties, but we're sheep because we have conservative values as a province and do not want to vote for a liberal or socialist party. What's wrong with you?

3. Terry, I'm a Canadian and not a separatist (yet). Albertans have beef with being the economic engine of Canada but being treated inferior to other, more vote rich provinces. This is something that Paul Martin and Ignatieff have both acknowledged – why can't you?

4. Are you saying NEP didn't hurt Alberta Terry?

We're getting bored of you, Terry…

1. Please stop using Mulroney. I don't support Mulroney. Or at least, stop using him as an example and then labeling me as a reformatory in the same post. You can't have it both ways, Terry.

2.Why would you even make this statement, Terry? In civil debate you cannot just claim you know more than your opponent and expect that to be the end of it. I'm an Albertan who is entitled to his opinion and his vote. If Albertans are sheep because they only vote for the PC party, but that the “reformatory-lite” Wildrose Alliance party will someday get elected… how are we sheep exactly? Basically you are saying Albertans are willing to vote for different political parties, but we're sheep because we have conservative values as a province and do not want to vote for a liberal or socialist party. What's wrong with you?

3. Terry, I'm a Canadian and not a separatist (yet). Albertans have beef with being the economic engine of Canada but being treated inferior to other, more vote rich provinces. This is something that Paul Martin and Ignatieff have both acknowledged – why can't you?

4. Are you saying NEP didn't hurt Alberta Terry?

We're getting bored of you, Terry…

Terry1, if your beloved Liberals get back in, you may lose your job as the official propagator of WK “wisdom.” Are you sure you want to do that?

By googling “CANADA'S JOBS REPORT WORSE ON HEADLINE AND DETAILS” in your post I got this result:
“Warren Kinsella – THE HARPER REFORMATORY LEGACY: A COUNTRY “FULLY …
The analyst: CANADA'S JOBS REPORT WORSE ON HEADLINE AND DETAILS Our first impression is that this is a much worse than expected report …”

Now, I don't pollute my computer by knowingly visiting WK's blog, but it appears that not only are you once again parroting WK's “wisdom,” but you also lied about receiving an analyst’s report: “This just hit my email from an analyst on the job report.”
Do you ever have an original thought of your own?
Do you ever use any source other than WK?
Didn't anyone ever tell you it's not nice to lie about analysts hitting your email with their reports?

I worry about you, Terry1 – not only because of your coarse language in debating those who disagree with you, your poor writing skills, your inability to accept that the Conservatives are in power, your artless repetition of WK talking points, but also about your own purpose in life.
How are you going to fill all the hours that you now spend on thinking up all the juvenile epithets that we've become accustomed to here on this blog?

Yes, a day will surely come when the Conservatives will once again be in opposition. That's the way our parliamentary system is meant to work. But when that time comes … what will become of you?
For your sake, then, it is my fervent hope that time – when the Conservatives lose power – will be in the very distant future.

gabby, do you think WK is the only person with a Scotia account?

Alex, you guys chose to merge with Mulroney's party so its is a part of your culture politically speaking.

Since I bore you my last comment is that wild rose is simply a more right wing version of the current incompetent bunch.

Terry1, why do you engage in so much name calling? What does it add to debate to show such disdain and disrespect for the opinions of others?

The Liberals could try to orchestrate an election in the Fall with the help of their coalition buddies IF the polls were in their favor. It appears the media are hungry for that scenario judging by some of the musings we've been reading from some journalists.

Can't really predict but taking a guess, considering how things are transpiring re the economy and other factors, having an election this Fall would give the Liberals more chance of smuggling dawn past a rooster than winning an election.

“do you think WK is the only person with a Scotia account?.
To be perfectly honest, I don't think about WK much, if at all.
I'm not the one obsessed by his pronouncements.

“the rest of your diatribe is juvenile itself. I have more things than enough to keep me busy in life. So don't fret.”
Diatribe?
A bit of an overstatement, don't you think?
What's the matter, Terry1?
You like dishing it out, but are soooo sensitive when you get some of it back.

Advise a few to read Monte Solberg's column of yesterday, posted on Bourque, “TV's Fall lineup—better than Ignatieff”. He's hit it right on.

Uh, not quite, but keep on in your fantasy world. Moi, je pensais des mots: tannant, effrayant, trou de *****, pl*tte. Mais si tu veux rêver en couleur, vas-y donc.

Hmmmm. Let's examine this concept of deficit and surplus. Both are mathematical creations which may or may not be based in reality. The variables which go into each of them are just that – variable.

As an example: the Libs boasted of one surprise surplus after another but…the Libs neglected to tell us taxpayers what caused these surprise surpluses. Now, if one had restored the reduction in transfer payments and removed the EI premiums, we would have actually had a deficit. These so-called surpluses sound great but…due to cuts in transfer payments, provincial governments off-loaded some services onto the cities which, in turn, had to boost property taxes and add user fees to make up the shortfalls. These so-called surpluses actually caused personal financial deficits for many Canadian taxpayers. In addition, our health care system was crippled due to reduced transfer payments.

So, how did the Lib government remedy this crisis in our health care system? Why, they commissioned the Romanow panel of experts at a cost of millions of dollars to produce a nice thick report and…no changes to our health care system. Then, there was the Kirby report – costing millions which produced a nice report and…no changes to our health care system.

Now, when Ernie Eves was our premier he boasted about a surplus but the moment McGuinty got into power, he told us we had a deficit and added a health tax. So, who do we believe?

I believe that the former Chretien government lied to us about the surplus – it was propped up by unethical means, in my opinion. Cutting transfer payments, harming our health care system, and using EI premiums is not a real surplus – it is a fake and dishonest surplus.

Could it be that the Harper government is reporting – honestly – the state of our surplus/deficit?

Now, as for that deficit – It was Ignatieff who was screeching for the PM to do something to stimulate the economy. So, our PM asks for input and Ignatieff refuses – that, to me, means that he has absolutely no idea how to help the economy. A boastful man such as Ignatieff would be only to happy to share his ideas…if he had any. So, the PM puts forth a stimulus package and Ignatieff starts to crow about a deficit.

So, you see, TarPaper (since you insult Harper's name, I can do the same to yours), you are merely a sock puppet spouting speaking points.

gabby,
Who is sensitive here? I love getting it back because it opens new windows of opportunity.:)

parnella, I guess you didn't see the latest job numbers and what a lousy job your party is doing at getting the stimulus money out the door.

Tory times are tough times because they don't give a damn about the average working person.

Here's a report about another botched foreign affairs snafu:

http://www.nationalpost.com/opinion/columnists/…

“But the ham-fisted way in which the issue has been handled has caused harm that may be irreparable to our relations with a country that has been one of our closest friends.

“There isn't a good atmosphere for Harper in Mexico right now,” said the Mexican official.

One presumes the same can be said for most other Canadians. Things are so bad that public opinion would hardly sour further if Mr. Harper stood up on Sunday and insulted national icon Salma Hayek.

The Conservatives downplay the idea that the visa requirement will hit a $24-billion trading relationship that is bigger than that which we have with France, Germany or the rest of Latin America combined.”

See what I mean? … about your main purpose in life?

east of zero…read this and tell me once again how dishonest the Chretienites were. They saved your ass from being part of the third world.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-busine…

“The principal speakers were two Canadians: Jocelyne Bourgon, clerk of the Privy Council and cabinet secretary in the government of prime minister Jean Chrétien in the 1990s, and Marcel Massé, president of Treasury Board during the same period. It was during this decade that the federal government, against all odds, brought spending under some semblance of control, ended the deficits that had persisted for decades and began the process of paying down the national debt.”
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“In three years, she said, the Chrétien government – primarily the PMO, finance minister Paul Martin and a team of deputy ministers – reduced spending by 20 per cent and cut the federal public sector by 23 per cent (47,000 jobs). Yet Canada experienced none of the strikes and none of the civil unrest typically associated in Europe with less-draconian spending cuts. Canadians not only accepted the exercise as necessary for the restoration of “fiscal sovereignty,” she said, they returned the government to office in the next election with a majority.”
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After all, as much or more than anyone else, she should know. She managed the process. She noted that Mr. Chrétien did not campaign in 1993 on a platform of fiscal restraint. And she noted that no intellectual consensus existed for such restraint – not in academia, not in the media, not in the think tanks. In retrospect, she concluded that real change in government begins with a very small group of knowledgeable people who have the capacity and the resolve to make change occur.
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The last paragraph above shows that liberals are practical enough to do what is best for the country and not the right wing luddites who support your party.
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and this last piece from the article:
“Called program review, this approach required every deputy minister “to identify all activities of government that no longer serve a national interest or that can be delivered more efficiently through other means.”

It became a line-item evaluation of every public sector dollar. The problem with setting modest spending targets, Ms. Bourgon explained, is that the target sets a ceiling on savings. With program review, she said, savings are not limited. Thus, in the actual exercise, the Department of Transport took a 50-per-cent hit in three years.”
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The reformatorts couldn't manage that if their lives depended on it. Instead they bluff their way through life with insults and lies. Their time is past due as they have done more damage in three years than Muldoon did in 8.

main purpose in life? Nah, I have so many interests and am a multi tasking person so I can do many things at the same time. Keeping you reformatorts in check is one of my hobbies…LOL

Funny how you completely ignored what I wrote. Oh, and those deficits you mentioned – guess who created them? Trudeau. End of story.

You know what Tarpaulin? Your comments always seem to include some sort of vulgarity or insult. As one of your fellow Lib supporters – anything that smacks of a personal attack means that the person has nothing at all to add. Given that she has said this repeatedly and given that she is a fellow Harper hater like you, I can say with total certainty that her declaration is non-partisan and, thus, would apply to you. If, by some miracle, one day you actually make a comment that is not insulting, then perhaps you will have some credence. Until such time – you just cannot be believed or respected.

Look, Gabby, you're borrowing money to artificially create economic activity
in one sector of the economy instead of letting everyone keep their own
money and spend it on what they deem worthy in real economic activity. What
you cite as benefits would also occur by giving the A's thru E's $5 billion
in Canadian Tire money. If the current program is so good, why limit it to
one year? Why not make it permanent? And why not a tax credit for ALL retail
spending? Why not for pimping my ride? Or such frivolities as food, clothing
and shelter? Why limit it to such essentials as swimming pools and hot tubs?
Please, this is borrow and spend interventionism at it's worst.
Conservatives…the new Trudeau liberals.

I'm learning that its better to ignore garbage and you post plenty of it. Come and work for the City of Toronto. At least you would get some overtime in.

Last time I looked this was not your blog so buzz off.

More harpo garbage and another reason he has to go:
http://www.thestar.com/comment/article/677476

Early concerns about the Conservative party's policies under Stephen Harper emerged in the areas of reproductive technology and stem cell research. More recently, cuts to basic research in the Tories' stimulus budget as well as Conservative Science Minister Gary Goodyear's unscientific comments on “creationism” versus evolution prompted an open letter to Harper by more than 2,000 top Canadian scientists decrying “huge steps backward for Canadian science” under the Conservatives.

With the closure of the office of the National Science Advisor – the independent and arm's-length position created to provide non-partisan recommendations to the federal government on scientific matters – even the prestigious scientific journal Nature recently had harsh criticism for the Harper government. Topping the list is the Tories' handling of Insite, which constitutes this government's most blatant contempt for science.

Among the most egregious examples of the Tories' manipulation on this file are their apparent efforts to suppress and cloud research, and their unwillingness to accept scientific findings. When initially faced with the decision whether or not to allow Insite to continue to operate legally, then health minister Tony Clement stated that “more research is necessary.”
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This is what happens when religious freaks run governments.

Terry1/Parnel, would you explain why in one comment you say the Conservative government is doing a lousy job getting the stimulus money out the door, in another you accuse them of pork barreling?

Some are wondering if Ignatieff has been told to hide out for the summer because his handlers want time off, they don't trust him to wing it. He sure doesn't seem to be quick study in his on the job training, doing a poor job as opposition leader.

Politics is a little tougher than droning out professorial musings, he needs the summer to recoup.

I'll respond when you stop using a copy cat name….typical tory steal everything from others.

“If the current program is so good, why limit it to one year? Why not make it permanent?”
1. Because the purpose is to stimulate lagging economic activity. It's akin to using newspaper and kindling to light a good fire in a fireplace.
2. Because the government does not want a structural deficit. Once the economy functions at its potential, the stimulus will no longer be needed.

“And why not a tax credit for ALL retail spending?”
That has already taken place. It's called the 2% reduction in the GST, and that benefits everyone, not just Canadian Tire workers, for whom you apparently harbour some disdain.

BTW, the renovation measure even helps people who manufacture that Canadian Tire money you keep mentioning, the producers of the paper it's made with, the manufacturers of the inks used, the designers of the money, and maybe even the guy who modeled for the Sandy McTire character …

Sometimes we have to look beyond our own nose.

Stalemate!

There are a few pundits wondering where ignatieff is, among them Rex Murphy, so the boys in the Liberal bunker must be fibbing a bit when they're telling us he's been traveling across the country this summer. I'm sure Rex, being a keen observer of political happenings, would know of any sightings.

It is not stimulating economic activity, it is artificially generating
activity in one sector on borrowed money, at the expense of real activity
now and in the future, and at the expense of fiscal prudence. If the gst cut
qualifies, and benefits everyone, why not leave it at that, instead of
wasting tax dollars we don't have subsidizing hot tubs and swimming pools
for a small minority.
I have no disdain for Canadian Tire or their employees. It's an analogy,
dumbed down so that even the most blindly partisan worshipper of Dear Leader
Steve can grasp how ludicrous and irresponsible this program is.
I have disdain only for political hypocrites who can pompously preach
fiscal superiority and then turn on a dime and flush years of debt and
deficit sacrifice down the sh*thole for political expediency.

You protest you have no disdain for Canadian Tire or their employees. OK, I'll buy that on your word – but you have enough disdain left over for anyone else who does not agree with your POV.

As for the “sh*thole” you mention, maybe if you didn't spend so much time examining them, you could come up with a constructive alternative to the policies this government has put in place, which were BTW accepted by the Liberals by voting yea on the budget .

Oh, except the Liberals criticize there's too big a deficit and then do an Oliver Twist, asking for more stimulus funding.

Just because I find Harper and his policies utterly disgusting, does not
mean that I support the Liberals in any way, shape or form. My budget
alternative is to quit spending money we don't have, quit robbing Peter to
pay Paul, quit picking winners and losers and let ALL consumers and
taxpayers decide where their retail dollar should be spent, without regard
to tax breaks. Treat everybody fairly and equitably. It ain't rocket
surgery.
And yeah, you can take it to the bank. I'm but a working stiff myself and
shop at Canadian Tire often. And I don't want or expect a tax break when I
do. Having to subsidize somebody's hot tub or swimming pool is
unconscionable.

Not your blog either – so you can follow your own directive. By the way – speaking of lying Libs – how about that promise to scrap the GST. No way you can ever deny that one. Also – you never did provide me of examples of Mr. Harper bringing his religion into our secular government. Just one more sockpuppet speaking point lie.

My brain is in my head. Yours is obviously in your rectum.

BTW – if she doesn't get a rebate, we can blame it on Ignatieff and then we can say that Ignatieff hates senior citizens just like the Libs say that Harper hates…fill in the blank.

In case anybody missed it, Terry1 (aka Tarpo) accused our PM of bringing religion into our secular structure. Now, those of us with intelligence and knowledge, know that this is a lie but, to be fair, I asked Tarpo to provide some examples. To date, he has not provided one iota of proof to back up this accusation. This is very typical of his ilk – spout sock puppet speaking points (aka lies) but have nothing to back them up.

e of e……….how about reading neil reynold's column in Fridays G&M and you will see why Chretien/Martin are now hailed internationally for breaking that promise and resetting Canada's compass to fiscal responsibility. I know it doesn't matter to jerk off's like you but then I'm a serious taxpayer and not a whiner on the take.

stupid asked so stupid gets:
http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/news/story.h…

On the outside, RockPointe Church looks like a bunker. On the inside, it's a cavernous auditorium with no crosses, altar or pulpit. Instead it has a “stage” on which its many pastors champion conservative moral values while strolling like casual talk-show hosts, remarking on how “cool” things are, exclaiming “Right on!” and referring to adherents as “You guys.”

Trask believes the more than 2,000 evangelical Protestants in his thriving church, as well as most of the 2.5 million evangelicals across the country, are enthusiastic supporters of his old friend, the prime minister.

Evangelicals like the Conservative leader, Trask says, because he's a “small-c conservative” on moral issues, encourages followers to help the poor through Christian charity rather than government programs, trusts in the free market and shares the evangelical belief Jesus Christ is the route to salvation.

As a sign of how evangelicals support Harper on policy issues, Trask last year joined a network of Christians across the country in vigorously supporting Harper's cancellation of the Liberals' universal daycare program, in favour of handouts for parents. Evangelicals, Trask says, don't want the state meddling in the sacred duty of raising children.
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http://communities.canada.com/vancouversun/blog…
It's the first newspaper article to try to tease out the evangelical Christian beliefs of Harper. Harper keeps his religion private because polls suggest it would hurt him badly to be upfront about it in secularized, pluralistic Canada. This piece explores the strict conservative beliefs of the Christian and Missionary Alliance Church, a denomination that Harper has attended for decades.
Personally, I think there's nothing wrong with political leaders having firm religious views. But I'm fascinated by the inner conflict Harper must be feeling
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http://www.walrusmagazine.ca/articles/2006.10-p…
As Harper navigates the tricky waters of minority rule—keeping the lid on any eruptions of rhetorical fervour from the rambunctious theo-cons in his caucus—it is noteworthy that he has continued to cultivate a man regarded as the lightning rod of the Christian right. Last spring, those around the prime minister drafted McVety to help sell the government’s contentious child-care policy, and on budget day he was the personal guest of Finance Minister Jim Flaherty in the Commons’ vip gallery.”

“We’ve got a born-again prime minister,” trumpets David Mainse, the founder of Canada’spremier Christian talk show, 100 Huntley Street. They see him as an image-savvy evangelical who has been careful to keep his signals to them under the media radar, but they have no doubt his convictions run deep—so deep that only after he wins a majority will he dare translate the true colours of his faith into policies that could remake the fabric of the nation. If they’re right, it remains unclear whether those convictions would turn government into a kinder, gentler guarantor of social justice for all or transform the country into a stern, narrow-minded theocracy. And what would his evangelical worldview mean for international relations?”

““Yes, I became a Christian in my twenties,” he replied, before acknowledging, “I don’t talk a lot about it.” Still, he attempted to reassure secular listeners who might have tuned in. “I won’t say I always keep my faith and my politics separate,” he said, “but I don’t mix my advocacy of a political position with my advocacy of faith.”

“He did not elaborate on those experiences, but according to others, Harper’s evangelical conversion dates back to when he was helping Preston Manning hammer out the Reform Party’s credo. “

“Shortly after Manning recruited him, Harper began trying out the evangelical services that seemed to offer many of the party’s early players, especially his confidante Diane Ablonczy, such certainty. But Mackey fingers Manning himself as Harper’s chief spiritual mentor—a role that Reform’s godfather waves off. “I’d take that stuff with a little bit of a grain of salt,” Manning says. “Stephen was very unhappy about that book.” Still, Deborah Grey, Reform’s first MP and Harper’s boss during part of that period, confirms Mackey’s account. “Preston was key,” she says. “Stephen had some very long, very involved discussions with Preston in the late 1980s, early 1990s. He saw Preston and a faith that was real, and how you could marry faith and politics.”

“Harper sidestepped the question of why Joseph Harper had jumped ship but he pointedly noted that Marshall’s evangelical audience would get his drift. What he seemed to be referring to was the charged 1988 decision by the United Church General Council to approve the ordination of homosexuals—a decision that provoked thousands of defections.”

“Three years ago, when Harper returned to Ottawa as leader of the Canadian Alliance, Bow Valley’s pastor recommended family-friendly East Gate, where a former Reform researcher, Laurie Throness—later chief of staff to Chuck Strahl, Harper’s minister of agriculture—happened to be a pianist and elder.”

“While the Ottawa press corps has been preoccupied with Harper’s ability to keep the most blooper-prone Christians in his caucus buttoned up, he has quietly but determinedly nurtured a coalition of evangelicals, Catholics, and conservative Jews that brought him to power and that will put every effort into ensuring that he stays there. Last spring, when Ontario premier Dalton McGuinty could barely wangle an hour with him, Harper made time for dozens of faith groups, including a five-woman delegation from the Catholic Women’s League which hadn’t managed to snare a sit-down with any prime minister in twenty-four years. “Smile if you’re a so-con,” ran a headline in the Western Standard above a photo of the meeting. “Canada’s traditional Christian groups can’t say enough good things about the Tories’ social policies so far.”

Borrowing a page from Bush’s White House, which boasts a deputy responsible for “Christian outreach,” Harper has installed a point man for the religious right, among other groups, in his government, under the title “director of stakeholder relations.” But evangelical activists know that a more direct route to the prime minister is through his parliamentary secretary, Jason Kenney. After the election, many in the Ottawa press corps were astonished when the Calgary loyalist who served as a critic in every recent Reform/Alliance shadow cabinet didn’t win a portfolio. But these days, Kenney may have more clout than any minister, playing emissary to groups with whom Harper doesn’t wish to leave prime ministerial fingerprints, above all on the religious right. Despite being a Catholic, Kenney is a regular on the evangelical circuit, turning up at so-con confabs and orchestrating discreet meetings with the boss. “Jason,” says one Ottawa insider, “has a lot more influence than you might think.”
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You see dummy its all there in black and white.

stupid asked and stupid gets…part 2

http://dawn.thot.net/harperstiestousa/american_…
Since Mr. Harper’s
address, links between Conservative Party members and groups sponsored by the CNP
like Focus on the Family, the Christian Coalition of America and the National Rifle
Association have grown. In turn, these groups have taken an increasingly forthright role
in influencing Canadian politics through radio broadcasts, Canadian affiliates, and
training for grassroots advocacy efforts in support of Conservative Party candidates.
This should perhaps come as no surprise given that the Vancouver Sun estimates
that “roughly half the current 98 members” of the Conservative caucus “are religious
social conservatives,” which is “well over double the national average.”6

“Mr. Harper told Canadians that he is fundamentally the same thinker he was 10
years ago: “I don’t think my fundamental beliefs have changed in a decade,” Mr. Harper
told the Globe and Mail.28 This gives the content of Mr. Harper’s 1997 speech before
the CNP particular importance, especially when considered in light of Mr. Harper’s
statement to the CNP audience that “your conservative movement…is a light and an
inspiration to people in [Canada] and across the world.”29 When recently asked about this
speech, Mr. Harper equated the activities of the CNP with the activities of the National Citizens Coalition, saying, “I was the leader of one conservative organization addressing
another conservative organization.”30
During the CNP appearance, Mr. Harper made a number of statements
denigrating Canada and Canadians: “Canada is a Northern European welfare state in the
worst sense of the word,” said Mr. Harper;31 “In terms of the unemployed, of which we
have over a million-and-a-half, don’t feel particularly bad for many of these people. They
don’t feel bad about it themselves, as long as they’re receiving generous social assistance
and unemployment insurance,” continued Mr. Harper.32
Mr. Harper was also critical of the Supreme Court of Canada and the Charter of
Rights and Freedoms: “[W]e have a Supreme Court, like yours, which, since we put a
charter of rights in our Constitution in 1982, is becoming increasingly arbitrary.”33
On specific policy issues, Mr. Harper demonstrated his contempt for ideas at the
heart of Canadian society, including public health care and international cooperation. For
example, the Charlottetown Agreement, he explained to his audience, included “some
[things] that would just horrify you, putting universal Medicare in our constitution, and
feminist rights.”34 Mr. Harper also showed dissatisfaction with Canada’s strong support
for the UN, and the pride Canadians take in their country’s status at the UN: “This
distresses conservatives like myself quite profoundly, but I will warn you, it’s a
widespread view, and I will always say, one that could only be maintained as long as
[Americans] basically provide us with military protection.”35
Mr. Harper also provided the CNP audience with a glimpse of his opinion of
future political reform in Canada. He called the Reform Party a “conservative
Republican” organization that espoused “a constitutional agenda that challenges the way
our entire political system operates.”36 Most revealingly, Mr. Harper shared his view
that the Reform and Progressive Conservative parties would ultimately merge and “[o]ne
party is going to win out….And Reform is not going to lose that contest in the long
term.”37

“Mr. Harper’s speech before the CNP appears to have served as a galvanizing
moment in American social conservative interest in Canada. The Christian Coalition of
America, Focus on the Family, the National Rifle Association, and Concerned Women
for America have all increased their focus on Canadian public policy issues upon his
ascension to the head of the Conservative Party, while also expanding their connections
with high-ranking members of Mr. Harper’s party. These links are important, not simply
because they indicate the nature of the beliefs of members of the Conservative Party, but
because they are likely to be the views determining the actions of a Conservative
government should it ever gain power because of the important positions of these social
conservative members within the party.
As Mr. Harper himself has said, “I have a history, in terms of reuniting the
[Canadian] Alliance and the Conservative party in being able to bring people together
without asking people to sacrifice their most fundamental beliefs.”39 Coupled with Mr.
Harper’s CNP remarks about the Reform Party winning out over the Progressive
Conservatives in a combination between these two parties, Mr. Harper clearly seems to
indicate the future direction of his Conservative Party.
Vic Toews, MP for Provencher40 and Conservative Party Justice Critic in
Stephen Harper’s shadow cabinet, would play the lead role in selecting Supreme Court
justices and other leaders of the judicial branch in a Conservative mandate. Mr. Toews
has close connections with two of the most conservative Christian groups in the United
States: Focus on the Family41 and Concerned Women for America.42 Focus on the
Family is run by Dr. James Dobson, a CNP member43 and one of the most influential
Christian activists in the United States.44 Dr. Dobson is a fierce opponent of abortion and
stem cell research, which he has called “state-funded cannibalism.”45

“He has stated the gay rights movement is seeking the “utter destruction of the family,”46 and has likened proponents of gay marriage to Nazis.47″

“Dr. Dobson uses the Focus on the Family Institute to cultivate future young
leaders about his organization’s views,48 utilizing materials such as anti-abortion activist
Scott Klusendorf’s writings to shape students’ views.49 Jason Kenney, Conservative MP
for Calgary Southeast, 50 and Conservative Party Revenue Critic, also follows Mr.
Klusendorf’s views and has praised Mr. Klusendorf for his contribution to the pro-life
movement in Canada: “[Scott’s] contribution to the pro-life movement in Canada has
received rave reviews. Having been involved in pro-life argumentation for most of my
life, I nevertheless learned a great deal from Scott's techniques and arguments, which I
plan to employ in the future,” Mr. Kenney has posted on the website of Mr. Klusendorf’s
organization, the Life Training Institute.51
Dr. Dobson has made several forays into Canadian politics, spreading his social
anti-same sex marriage conservative message through paid broadcasts on 130 radio
stations across Canada.52 His organization has also contributed at least $1.6 million worth
of “in-kind” contributions to its Canadian affiliate, Focus on the Family Canada,53 which
also strongly opposed the recognition of same sex marriages.54 Two Vice Presidents of
Focus on the Family sit on the Board of Focus on the Family Canada.55
Mr. Toews has worked closely with Focus on the Family Canada to launch
national issue campaigns,56 has quoted their studies in the House of Commons,57″
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This stuff futher confirms that Harper is a facist in his thinking.

What I find hard to understand is why Stephen allows such disrespect meted out by “Terry1″for others who comment here and the outright lies, bordering on slander, about the Prime Minister.

1. look at your own insults first and your copycat alias.
2. what have I said about Harpo that is a lie or slanderous. He is a public figure and others have said much worse about him. I'm presuming you would like some censorship here which suits your cowardly personality.

funny thing about Iggy. He has raised more money than Harpo in the last six months. So, you guess where he's been when the end of september comes around and the respective numbers get posted. Iggy is doing his job of raising money for the party and has been doing it in a low key and informal manner.

More facts again that you know nothing.

OT:
Excuse me for thinking the Prime Minister of the country is more than just a “public figure” and deserves some respect.
No one is calling for censorship, just a bit of decency and respect for others who comment. Having a difference of opinion is what makes a debate.

You have other blog aliases, does that make you a “coward”?

Dindi, you find “Harper and his policies utterly disgusting.”

May I remind you that PM Harper is implementing policies that most leaders of the world have had to implement in order to deal with this extraordinary recession, regardless of their political leanings?
http://www.thestar.com/comment/article/678164
“… The plan presented by Harper was not prepared in Canada and doesn't have the Conservative trademark on the package. It's a plan that was supported by all G8 governments at the recent summit in L'Aquila, Italy, by the conservative Nicolas Sarkozy of France and Silvio Berlusconi of Italy, as well as by the socialist Gordon Brown of Britain and the definitely non-conservative Barack Obama of the United States. It also has been adopted by Communist China, the leftist Brazilian Luis Inacio Lula and whatever you want to call Putin's government in Russia.

Back in Canada, the same plan has been adopted by all provincial governments of all political stripes, including the Ontario Liberals of Dalton McGuinty, as well as Harper's federal Conservatives. …”

Had the Liberals or the NDP been in power they too would have introduced similar measures to stimulate the economy, the only difference being deficits would be even higher than now forecast, and the measures would probably not be time limited like the Harper government's are.

Furthermore, you argue whatever stimulus money is being used to help struggling industries would be put to better use if it were in individuals' own pocket.

You say “let ALL consumers and taxpayers decide where their retail dollar should be spent …”

Well, those people working in struggling industries would have no choice in where to spend their money, because they wouldn't have any money to spend without a job. How's that for a Hobson's choice?

No one is telling you, the individual taxpayer, where you must spend your money. The government offers you a real option of improving your own home, which would add re-sale value to it, while at the same time injecting money into the economy.

You don't want to take advantage of those measures? OK, you can be building your individual savings in the newly implemented TFSA. You may eventually decide to use that money you've saved towards a new car, which is another option open to you. Or you may decide to let your savings grow without any tax repercussions. Again, real choices.

Finally, you say “It ain't rocket surgery.”
Why would a rocket need surgery? Now that would be money foolishly spent.

East of Eden, Terry1 has shown utter contempt for people of faith both here and in previous threads. He has also feigned outrage during the sham controversy over the PM's communion.
Terry has conveniently forgotten this information I posted in a previous thread about the Liberal leader’s efforts to garner support from people of faith.

http://www.cfrb.com/node/928171
“Michael Ignatieff finds his religious voice
Wed, 2009-05-13 14:50.
Brian Lilley
Michael Ignatieff, leader of the Liberal Party will be giving a speech to a religious conference on Faith and the Sustainable Economy. From the website of the Evangelical Fellowship of Canada. [my bolds]

Join the Forum on Faith and the Economy, Ottawa
The EFC and the Canadian Council of Churches are together sponsoring a lunchtime roundtable discussion on “Faith and Sustainable Economy” with MPs from all four political parties on May 12 as part of the CCC's weeklong meetings in Ottawa of the CCC Commission on Justice and Peace. Liberal party leader Michael Ignatieff will speak on “What Difference do Churches Make?” at St. Andrew's Presbyterian Church, 82 Kent Street on May 13 from 3 pm to 5 pm. The public are invited.”

http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=…
“Liberals courting religious vote
Charles Lewis, National Post 
Published: Monday, June 01, 2009
The federal Liberals are making a deliberate attempt to woo religious groups after years of “benign neglect” by the party, Liberal MP John McKay says.

Mr. McKay, an evangelical Christian, said Liberal leader Michael Ignatieff asked him to start meeting with religious leaders across Canada to find ways of including them in the national discussion.”
[my bolds]

I guess Terry1 thinks Michael Ignatieff and Liberal MP John McKay are religious fanatics.

Gabby, nice try. There is a big difference in courting votes as opposed to pushing those beliefs into the governence of this country. As the Walrus article points out Harpo is very reluctant to express his faith publicly but yet believes his religion drives his agenda somewhat and that his support comes from thse evangelicals.

I have great respect for religion but it belongs in churches and the privacy of ones home or mindset. We are a very secular country now and it must continue to develop along those lines because of our multi national ethnic makeup. As usual you slam me for the sake of it. That's the problem with narrow minded reformatorts.

my other blog aliases are because I cannot maintain the same ones everywhere due to others having them. I don't hide behind a duplicate name like you do,speaking of cowards.

Harpo deserves no respect from me. He has not earned it and most likely never will. As for the other posters here that is an individual call.

Wondering if it would be fair to consider the Liberals to be a bit hypocritical to be wooing people of faith, especially evangelical Christians, when they have poked fun at people like Stockwell Day for his beliefs.

John McKay is an evangelical Christian, I believe John Manley is also.

What are Michael Ignatieff's religious beliefs? Is that a question only asked of Conservative leaders?

Desperation in politics can lead down roads previously less traveled.

“There is a big difference in courting votes as opposed to pushing those beliefs into the governence [sic] of this country.”
Like … ?
Which religious beliefs have been pushed?
Proof?

“As the Walrus article points out Harpo is very reluctant to express his faith publicly …”
You have just contradicted yourself yet again.

At times you've said Harper openly expresses his faith, which you have objected to, and now you likewise claim that he is “very reluctant to express his faith publicly.” More double-speak on your part.

It's the same silly argument you people have been making about the Conservatives' hidden agenda.
If it's hidden, how can you guys claim to know so much about it?
Give it up, you know you're being silly and parroting silly outdated arguments from people who have an agenda of their own.

“As usual you slam me for the sake of it.”
Oh, please! Terry, stop playing the whining victim. Victimhood doesn't become you.

“Both Chretien and Martin are staunch Roman catholics …”
Untrue.
In case you don't know, both SSM and abortion are no-nos in the Catholic church, so Chretien and Martin cannot be considered “staunch Roman catholics.”
They have been portrayed as such in the media and now by you, but if they were as staunch as you say they are, they would not have voted for SSM, nor fought an election on the false premise that the Conservatives wanted to take away “a woman's right to choose.” Paul Martin was not even honest enough to use the word “abortion”.

Not only was Martin defending abortion, which as a “staunch Roman catholic” he should not do, but he was also lying – another no-no for “staunch Roman catholics” – about the Conservatives' position.

If Chretien and Martin were “staunch Roman catholics” and wanted to maintain the secular character of Canada, the SSM vote would have been a completely free vote, not a whipped vote for cabinet ministers.
The Conservatives have allowed free votes on matters of conscience, including for cabinet ministers, while the opposition parties have not, they have whipped such votes.

That is what true secularism means. No religion is imposed on anyone, but everyone is free to express that religious conviction on certain matters of conscience.
And lest you jump to the wrong conclusion … I do not wish to reopen the question of SSM, nor the question of abortion.

I think this thread has reached its endpoint. It was originally about Sen. Duffy hinting at a looming election, wasn't it?

“Both Chretien and Martin are staunch Roman catholics …”

Now THAT'S funny!

If that's the case, then a lot of liberals have some 'splainin' to do about their support of SSM and abortion…

Gabby, do you ever get tired of being duplicitous?

Martin went agaisn this religion to support SSM becasue it was a constitutional issue. that's what secular really means.

Think about Harpo not supporting gay activities once his right wing nut bars found out he susbsidized the Toronto gay pride parade. His religious constituency rode him hard and published many articles in the religious press which forced him to stop the funding in other cities like Montreal. That's what I eman about religous inteference.

The rest of yout stuff indicates you didn't really read up, or didn't want to know the truth, on harpos religion leanings in his thought and governence processes.

You are a lemming!!!

Pardon me, tell me of anyone else with the name Parnella on any of the blogs? I am not aware of you using that alias either, but then, haven't been checking such things.

This thread, like so many others here has gone off the rails which appears to be your reason for being here.
Fail to see how the topic relates to anyone's religion or lack thereof, but it's the usual, when the going gets tough, change the subject.

Soccermom, you typify the Tory ignorance of our constitution. They followed the law of the land not their religious beliefs. That's good goverence and why they whipped the original votes on the issue. Harpo tries to skirt it every chance he gets.

You wer ethe one who attempted to relate me to another blog where parnel is a poster. More of your BS catches up to you.

Ask E of E about the religious topic. He's the robot who challenged me on it.

Then why are we talking about religion? What has religion got to do with politics for Liberals beyond making fun of someone's religion in hope of political gain, then, going to the same people, snake oil salesman style in a desperate attempt to gain votes?

If it mattered to either Chretien or Martin they would have allowed a free vote and voted according to their Catholic beliefs. Politics trumped their religion in both cases, there were many Liberals who did not support SSM or abortion, still are.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SW3n_F1tZMk

Terry, you should consider being a troll or a clown. Being both seems to have overextended you.

I see aqnother reformatort has joined the fray………. a rat would have improved your image.

Have you no shame? I mean even comparatively to other Liberal partisans. Personally I think all the parties are a joke, but clowns like you give the LPC a really bad name.

Well Ter-Ber, you just showed that it is actually you who knows nothing. You see, Ter-Ber, Mr. Harper, the Prime Minister (which Ignatieff is not) kind of has a job right now – he's busy running a county while Ignatieff is trying to get the Libs out of a hole. If you did know anything at all, Ter-Ber, you'd know that the CPC has full-to-bursting coffers while the LPC is…uh…well, in debt. How many leadership candidates still have not paid off their loans? Hmmm?

So, Ter-Ber, you might want to be a little more selective in your mud-slinging. BTW – where are the examples of Prime Minister Harper (Ignatieff is not the prime minister, BTW) bringing religion into our secular structure? I guess you were just robotically spouting sock puppet speaking points (also known as LIES) when you wrote that.

Shoot, forgot to mention. I'm a little more interested in how Ignatieff would ruin…er…I mean…run the country than he is at beggin for nickels and dimes from the party's big business buddies – of which there seem to be far fewer than once before. I wonder why it is that the LPC is so broke while the CPC is swimming in cash. And the CPC didn't pass any brown envelopes either.

Nothing in your drivel shows what, exactly, Stephen Harper did to bring in any legislation, policies, or otherwise of a religious nature into our secular structure. You have given zero factual, concrete examples which actually became law in our country. Sorry, fallopian features, you just crapped all over yourself. Man, you have to post the dumbest and most idiotic comments of all the idiot comments I've seen on the net. And that includes a couple of idiots over at that dude ranch blog.

Yawn. Hearsay, your Honour. Dismissed, Mr. Prosecutor. Next case please.

I believe that Steven is allowing Ter-Ber to spew his verbal crap to reinforce the type of slug mentality that is rampant in the LPC. He even makes our female annoyance (you know who I mean) seem tame. Her inane and factually incorrect comments cannot hold a candle to this creature.

*Why would a rocket need surgery? Now that would be money foolishly spent.
Are you really that clueless?
*

Excellent, Gabby. I'll also add that Terry cannot provide one example where Mr. Harper “pushed” his faith into law or legislation or even a minor policy. As for Chretien and Martin – they are churchgoers who belong to the Catholic church. Period. As for Terry saying that we MUST continue down the secular path, I have only one thing to say: “who says so?”

Also, Ter-Ber, if you feel that strongly, I challenge you to go to Saudi or Iran and preach that little doctrine of yours. Hah. Chicken. I dare you to tell Muslim women who work in the civil service to leave their hijabs at home – go on, Ter-Ber, try it. Hah. Chicken.

John Manley is very much a man of faith and he's a very decent type of guy. Too bad he's with a bunch of lying creeps. Ignatieff has publicly announced that he is an athiest.

Hey, you know what? Mr. Harper really IS trying to push his faith-based agenda on the government. You know, good Christian values like honesty, fairness, compassion, generosity, hard work, accountability. You know what? I think that, in his ignorance, Ter-Ber just paid our Prime Minister a wonderful compliment. Mr. Harper is honest, he doesn't steal from the taxpayers, he is compassionate, decent, polite, courteous…the list goes on and on. Man, I am so happy to have a man of faith pushing those values on the government. Thank God for giving us Mr. Harper.

For once, Ter-Ber, you are correct and thankfully, Mr. Harper is pushing those values on the country. God Bless Mr. Harper and God Bless Canada.

For some time I considered the owner of this blog remiss for allowing Terry1 to 'comment' with insults and constant name calling, taking the threads off the rails. I now realize he's exposing what the Liberals condone and consider to be clever debate.
Appears he's a missionary for the Liberal war room.

You saying “Terry1″ is used by others? They'll be wanting to change it pronto!

“… being duplicitous?”
Oooohhhh! I'm so impressed! Terry used a 4 syllable word!
Did you check with your oracle to make sure you spelled it correctly?
Too bad you didn't double-check the rest of your little spiel: 9 typos, not including caps where needed.

Of course, those errors are insignificant in comparison to the distortions in this spiel of yours.
You continue to spread the myth that PM Harper is anti-gay.

Of course, you conveniently neglect to mention that then-opposition leader Stephen Harper supported civil unions like many European jurisdictions did and still do, i.e. they have not redefined marriage.

Verify what Mr. Harper said in the House on Feb. 16, 2005.
“We believe that our proposals speak to the majority of Canadians who stand in this middle ground and frankly, who seek such a middle ground. Our proposal is that the law should continue to recognize the traditional definition of marriage as the union of one man and one woman to the exclusion of all others, but at the same time we would propose that other forms of union, however structured, by appropriate provincial legislation, whether called registered partnerships, domestic partnerships, civil unions or whatever, should be entitled to the same legal rights, privileges and obligations as marriage.”

Furthermore, in your so-called reply to Soccermom you said Chretien and Martin “… followed the law of the land [on SSM] not their religious beliefs.”
That shows your ignorance in general, and your lack of knowledge of this file in particular.

From CBC Timeline of Same-Sex Rights
“Dec. 9, 2004:
The Supreme Court of Canada rules that the federal government can change the definition of marriage to include same-sex couples, but does not answer whether such a change is required by the Charter. It also reaffirms that religious leaders can not be compelled to perform same-sex marriages.”

This is question 4:
http://csc.lexum.umontreal.ca/en/2004/2004scc79…
“4.   Is the opposite‑sex requirement for marriage for civil purposes, as established by the common law and set out for Quebec in section 5 of the Federal Law–Civil Law Harmonization Act, No. 1, consistent with the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms?  If not, in what particular or particulars and to what extent?”

And here’s the SC’s decision not to render an opinion on question 4
“Question 4 
In the unique circumstances of this reference, the Court should exercise its discretion not to answer Question 4.  First, the federal government has stated its intention to address the issue of same-sex marriage legislatively regardless of the Court’s opinion on this question.  As a result of decisions by lower courts, the common law definition of marriage in five provinces and one territory no longer imports an opposite-sex requirement and the same is true of s. 5 of the Federal Law–Civil Law Harmonization Act, No. 1.  The government has clearly accepted these decisions and adopted this position as its own.  Second, the parties in the previous litigation, and other same-sex couples, have relied upon the finality of the decisions and have acquired rights which are entitled to protection.  Finally, an answer to Question 4 has the potential to undermine the government’s stated goal of achieving uniformity in respect of civil marriage across Canada.  While uniformity would be achieved if the answer were “no”, a “yes” answer would, by contrast, throw the law into confusion.  The lower courts’ decisions in the matters giving rise to this reference are binding in their respective provinces.  They would be cast into doubt by an advisory opinion which expressed a contrary view, even though it could not overturn them.  These circumstances, weighed against the hypothetical benefit Parliament might derive from an answer, indicate that the Court should decline to answer Question 4.”

IOW, there was NO “law of the land” regarding SSM that Chretien and Martin followed, contrary to what you stated. The Supreme Court declined to rule on whether SSM was consistent with the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

As I said previously, I am not in favour of reopening the issue of SSM, but it is time that idiots like you, Terry1, stop spreading lies about the PM being anti-gay and a religious fanatic.
I’m using the word “idiots” because it seems you only function at that low language level.

You disagree with Conservative policies? Fine. Suggest better ones.
Work hard to convince Canadians yours are better than those of the Conservatives.
But stop spreading your lies about the PM, and most of all, stop your infantile name-calling.
Your behaviour is worse than that of a child who has just contracted potty mouth disease.

“Are you really that clueless?”
Pedantic, perhaps, but clueless? No.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THNPmhBl-8I&eurl…

Thank you Gabby. Mr. Terry1 will have a peck of trouble to contradict the facts you have posted.

Thanks, Parnella, but he'll be back with even more outlandish claims.

Terry1 is probably checking up on something little Stephen Harper said when he was in kindergarten, proving little Stephen wanted to ram his religion down every little tyke's throat.

*Sigh*

The bottom line, the constant speculation about when the next election will be, is all stemmed from the one fact, the Liberals are not in power, it's driving them to all sorts of inane actions and comments.

Yes, and I hope others join in to give the LPC an even worse name. It all started with a certain former MP who blogged indiscreetly and it was all downhill from there. Nothing like showing their true colours.

They can't be called “staunch” Catholics if they support those causes.

Fake Catholics would be more accurate. Or “Catholic in name only”. Another laughable one is “devout”, the tag Paul Martin had attached to him. Yeah right.

Support whatever you want. Just don't pretend to be something you're not.

You are absolutely correct about some Libs who did not and do not support SSM and/or abortion. Funny how slugs like Ter-Ber neglect to ever mention that. Some of them do not support those initiatives for various reasons – not always faith-based. What slugs like Ter-Ber fail to ever mention is that there are many seculars who object to SSM and abortion. But the slug trolls like to make it a Christian issue. Hey, talk to any Hindu or Muslim about either of those two issues – I have friends of all faiths and, believe me, they are not exactly marching in the streets to promote those two issues, that's for sure. I even know seculars who are down on both of thsoe issues. Then, there's myself, a lifelong Christian believer who couldn't care less what two people do in the bedroom or with whom they fall in love. As for abortion – it's a whole different story: I do not believe in murdering a baby (I believe that life begins at conception and that negating a fetus' existence is simply an excuse to murder a baby in the womb) as a method of contraception. If the mother's life is in danger, yes terminate IF SHE SO CHOOSES OF HER OWN FREE WILL.

I know many seculars who are so uptight that it would take a backhoe to remove a needle from their butts.

The law is not always correct. Heck, at one time, homosexuality was – by law – a criminal offence. So, following the law is not always the right thing to do if the law is flawed. Try another argument, Ter-Ber. Man, your ignorance is stunning.

Speaking of Sweet G (Garth)…

Any truth the the rumour that he'll run for the Liberals in Caledon?

St Augustine said that an unjust law is no law at all.

Just back from a great afternoon of great music and then I read all this whining and angry reformatort garbage. you have all proven another point that many subscribe to. all Tories are angry all the time which is why tory times are tough times.

You people area barrel a of laughs especially E of E as he tries to move around his nonsensical garbage and BS bravado. At least Gabby corrects my typos!!!

LOL

I've got 5:1 odds that Terry was actually under a bridge eating children… any takers?

soccermom your comments are putrid. I know Paul Martin and I know his beliefs and I know his character.

To those of you who bitch because I do character assasinations of harpo, soccermom and her ilk of angry and ugly reformatorts are a lesson you should all heed. If you can't destroy a character because they are reformatory then you can't destroy anyone else's. Hypocrites all.

Hateful and despicable about something she knows nothing about.

It appears Liberal leaders who recently served as PM's parked their religion at the doors of power, became non-practicing Catholics in exchange for the ideology of Liberalism, to be all things to all people, stand for nothing.
It's was amusing to hear Liberal apologists running off at the mouth about our PM not having the right to consume the Host because he is not Catholic or he put it in his pocket which was a mortal sin or something of that nature. They had it made up to get him one way or the other. What an amateur set-up that turned out to be.

You need serious help man, you've lost control of yourself, your hatred is palpable; you make no sense. That kind of emotion can lead one to regrettable acts, get some help for God's sake.

We are not here to call each other names but to debate issues posted by the blog owner.

When are you going to start debating instead of trying to beat up on me here.

You're the fool if you look at your posting history.

Here's the good Christian evangelical values you speak of:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/sex-and-mar…

“Couples like the Zumbruns are caught between two powerful forces — evangelical Christianity's abstinence culture, with its chastity balls and virginity pledges, and societal forces pushing average marriage ages deeper into the 20s.

The call for young marriage raises questions: How young is too young? What if marriage is viewed as a ticket to guilt-free sex? What about the fact that marrying young is the No. 1 predictor of divorce?

The conversation is spreading from what pastors say is a relatively small number of churches and ministries that promote early marriage to the broader evangelical community, with the latest development being a Christianity Today magazine cover story this month titled “The Case for Young Marriage.”
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These are posts in the comments from the article linked above:
“As someone who was “saved” at nineteen and who subsequently spent fourteen years as a member of an evangelical church, I can confirm that all the evangelical movement has as a weapon to keep sway over their congregation is xenophobis fear and a twisted sense of morality – specifically “you are better than others because you are going to heaven” and “sex is beautiful and natural only if you're in a church approved marriage”. What would Jesus do indeed.”
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“Hey, let's really go for historical, religious, and dogmatic rigour here and start just selling the pre-pubescent girls to whichever man can pay the most! It was good enough for those characters in the Bible, it should be good enough for them now!

Early marriage (by 12 or earlier for girls, 14 to 20 for boys) was quite common a few hundred years ago. I guess these people just keep having to look backwards in order to keep their ever-present grip on a seemingly increasingly credulous bunch of followers.
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The phrase “purity pledges” makes me shudder. Screw around safely,experienece life, get married when you're older and maybe your marriage will last. These child bride and grooms are going to wonder about life and what they've missed when they're a bit older. I'm so glad I grew up in promiscuous times! I know I'm going to get a lot of flak for these comments but that article made me want to gag.
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“I think we should encourage, boost, support as much as possible the concept of “being sure”, “certain”, “absolutely certain”. That way, perhaps evangelicals will put off marriage until they are 60? 70?, hopefully 80, and infertile. Ergo the disease will die out soon and the world will be rid of another ludicrous problem”
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“I guess articles like this get published in Stephen Harper's Canada”
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I see this religion as the so called “catholicism of Quebec” pre 1960. Keep 'em dumb, get 'em married early and keep stufifng the good word down their throats.
That's the religion Harpo follows.

switchback O'Taylor……………………I studied more of St. Augustine and Thomas More than you could ever imagine.

The issue you don't get is the pure separation of church and state in a modern society.

I'm more interested in the pure separation of troll from blog.

I'm also pretty sure that you don't know much at all based on your posts.

It is better to be quiet and be thought a fool, than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt…

Words to live by you greasy persistent troll.

Gabby, the law of the land is the constitution and Martin tested that with constitutional experts who all said he would lose if he tried a charter case on SSM. Its very interesting you didn't do any research on Martin's issues with the issue. There is plenty of that.

Your comments on harper speech in the HOC is pretty opposite to what he has said in his NCc days and as late as 2003 as a Reformer. His hypocrisy shows through in spades as I've noted in my long post that had lots of good stuff from the Walrus article.

By the way your continued rude comments about Warren kinsella deserve this little ditty on his competence:
“Warren Kinsella’s new book is a must-read for anyone interested in political campaigning in Canada. And not just political campaigning.…I wish I’d had the chance to read The War Room before I became Stephen Harper’s campaign manager; it might have saved me from many mistakes and months of painful learning on the job.”

- Tom Flanagan, The Literary Review of Canada

Since all you do is put forth one liners I'd say the troll is you.

Is that why you keep your posts down to one liners….or is it because you are the greasy,persistent and a troll. I don't want your title because it would signify I'm an angry white reformatort.

Doesn't your bridge miss you when you leave home?

Do you have green skin or is that a rumour? Do you club children then eat their bones, or just eat the children? I have so many questions about your rare but idiotic kind.

“In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community”

I'm not one to post definitions usually. Fight fire with fire I guess.

Sick is not the right description for you…….its much worse.

nah, you're right. pedophile type comments are your thing as witness your two posts about eating children.

Sick of trolls. Go back to KingsQuest 3, you horrible monster.

It's weird you went there.

Not unexpected but weird.

For real, tell me more about your trollish species… are all trolls green or is that a maturity thing?

I'd rather be a Christian than troll.

Agreed Parnella.

I've never seen trolling take hold in a subject so badly. I wonder how long he/she can last out in the light of day.

“It's not me it's you”

So by elimination we know that terry is probably about 10 and it's past his naptime.

You're a beautiful person Terry… just don't believe everything you read.

Parnella, if I may, I believe there's a little correction needed in your comment:
“the Liberals are not in power, it's driving them to all sorts of inane actions and comments.”

Am I mistaken?
Didn't you intend to write insane, given the behaviour of the Toxic Troll on this blog?

Terry1, don't you ever get tired of regurgitating the same old tired cud you’ve chewed over and over again?

“Your comments on Harpo's speech in the HOC is pretty opposite to what he has said in his NCC days …”
If you insist on revisiting Stephen Harper's ancient history, then you must use the same look-back at some of your icons, who changed their position on many a policy.

Go back to 1999, when a majority of MPs voted to retain the definition of marriage as being between one man and one woman, to the exclusion of all others.

June 8, 1999, House of Commons debate on the definition of marriage:
“Mr. Eric Lowther (Calgary Centre, Ref.) moved:  
• “That, in the opinion of this House, it is necessary, in light of public debate around recent court decisions, to state that marriage is and should remain the union of one man and one woman to the exclusion of all others, and that Parliament will take all necessary steps to preserve this definition of marriage in Canada. ….”

Hon. Anne McLellan (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada, Lib.): “Mr. Speaker, I rise to respond to the motion this morning on behalf of the Government of Canada.

Let me clearly state that the Government of Canada will be supporting the motion in the House today. …

We on this side agree that the institution of marriage is a central and important institution in the lives of many Canadians. It plays an important part in all societies worldwide, second only to the fundamental importance of family to all of us. …

Let me state again for the record that the government has no intention of changing the definition of marriage or of legislating same sex marriages. …”

See, Terry1? That was Liberal Justice Minister and Attorney General of Canada Anne McLellan, speaking on behalf of the Chretien government.
Just a few years later, the Liberals changed position.

BTW, I notice you’re still trying to outdo Pinocchio:
“By the way your continued rude comments about Warren kinsella …”
If calling WK your oracle or your idol is rude, then I plead guilty, for it must cause him to wince at the thought of being associated with the likes of you.
I wouldn't call that rude, though, I'd call it downright painful.

Gabby , when Harper got to power, he in fact kept many of the political staffer from the previous leader on. Of course Terry could not know that, he lives in a world of his own.

English teach aka gabby………..positions of governments changed over SSM due to constitutional concerns. You just don't get it. everyone was against it until thye fully understood the charter and how it described indvidual rights and freedoms. Would you also like me to dig up the piece that Harpo wrote about the the charter giving too many individual rights and freedoms and thus his position on SSM.

Of more joyful news here is the latest Nanos poll done while Iggy was supposed to have been invisible:

Ballot Question: For those parties you would consider voting for federally, could you please rank your top two current local preferences? (Committed voters only – First Preference)

Committed Voters – Canada (N=845, MoE ± 3.4%, 19 times out of 20). The numbers in parenthesis denote the change from the last Nanos Omnibus Survey conducted in June 2009.
Liberal 33.8% (-2.5)
Conservative 31.3% (-0.9)
NDP 18.7% (+1.9)
BQ 9.2% (-0.6)
Green 7.0% (+2.2)
Undecided 15.7% (-6.5)

Best PM Question: Of the following individuals, who do you think would make the best Prime Minister? [Rotate] The numbers in parenthesis denote the change from the Nanos Omnibus Survey conducted in April 2009.
Stephen Harper 29.5% (-2.7)
Michael Ignatieff 26.2% (-1.2)
Jack Layton 15.2% (+2.3)
Gilles Duceppe 5.8% (-0.2)
Elizabeth May 4.0% (-2.0)
None of them 7.4% (+0.6)
Unsure 11.9% (+3.2)

Top Issue Question: What is your most important NATIONAL issue of concern? [unprompted] The numbers in parenthesis denote the change from the last Nanos Omnibus Survey conducted in June 2009.
Jobs/economy 30.3% (-5.4)
Healthcare 26.1% (+4.9)
The environment 9.4% (-0.1)
Education 4.1% (-0.8)
Unsure 12.5% (+0.6)

I watched an Interview with the Archbishop of Calgary who said : ” If Chretien had come to my church I would have refused to give him Communion”. I guess that says it all as far as Chretien's relegion is concerned.

Omanator, You have echoed my reasons why there is separation of church and state. Right wing religious nut bars are not all evangelists but most of them are and that archbishop has made some pretty ludicrous comments in his time. He also said divorce is immoral.

Terry said some else is using this name. How about a new one ,Toxic Troll.?

Since we ae talking name changes…how about “detonator” for your new one

Yes, both insane and inane are fitting adjectives.

If Toxic Troll 1 is an example of the best the Liberals have to put up to debate issues on blogs, they have a problem.

Liberals have a tough time reading true facts presented on Conservative blogs, the truth in many cases is damaging to them. They try to defend the indefensible, when that fails they hijack the threads with name calling. exhibit A: comments by Toxic Troll 1 on this blog.

We all know they can't handle how well our PM is doing on the world stage and at home so they move on to attack his personality, it's schoolyard level mentality. Appears the big boss in the Liberal bunker condones such behaviour. Not too surprising.

The debate ended long ago with your first comments.

Your obsessive hatred for all things Conservative and the Prime Minister in particular seems to have blown your mind.

You are not debating, you are here to stifle debate with insults, now you're whining about getting beat up on. Take some time out, get a grip on yourself.

ah but the latest Nanos poll doesn't do your guy any good having had the summer to boondoggle all over the country splashing money everywhere. I don't see Harpo's leadership qualities showing up there. Our guy has only been around for six months and has kept very close to a sitting PM who has been his party leader for over six years.

My insults are only in keeping with reformatort tradition of down and dirty politics based on character assasinations that you jokers call truth ads.

Mine are truthful also and the fact they draw out so many refromatort looney bin types makes my day .

Terry,

Loved your performance in Shrek btw,

Count me in.

Funny how you are the most prolific commenter, Ter-Ber. We're not the ones using rude language, Ter-Ber. I think you're obsessed with us and you are addicted to this blog.

And we'll call you fallopian features because that's exactly what you are.

Whoa – totally wrong, fallopian features. I have the feeling that when you were hatched, the doc slapped your mom for bringing you into the world.

He was replaced?

From the Halton Libs. (http://www.haltonliberals.ca/)
“On behalf of the Halton Federal Liberal Association, we welcome Deborah Gillis as our Halton Federal Liberal Candidate.”

From the Caledon Citizen (http://www.caledoncitizen.com/news/2009/0611/ne…)
“The high-profile ex-MP, bestselling author and financial guru has been invited by the Dufferin — Caledon Liberal Association to throw his hat in the ring for a federal election, expected later this year. Turner recently moved back into Caledon, where he is restoring the 1855 Cataract Inn”

I believe Ignat pushed to have Deborah Gillis nominated so there would be greater gender parity in the LPC. She's a lobbyist for Catalyst (an NGO for Women in Business) and a cancer survivor. Halton hangs in the balance… though I think Harper's large government Conservatism plays well in the Greenbelt.

Catalyst (http://www.catalyst.org/page/59/about-us)
“Founded in 1962, Catalyst is the leading nonprofit membership organization working globally with businesses and the professions to build inclusive workplaces and expand opportunities for women and business.”

I think he'll be featured on next week's Intervention on A&E.

Step 1… Admitting that he has a problem… always the hardest.

Terri suffers from an extreme form of Leftist Mental Disorder, other Liberals have it to varying degrees.

Terri suffers from an extreme form of Leftist Mental Disorder, other Liberals have it to varying degrees.