YAH!!!!!!!!!

Auditor General of Canada to conduct a full audit of the sponsorship program to determine which federal Liberal riding associations received stolen funds and to clarify for Canadians who received the missing $43 million dollars.

Calling Peter Donolo, you're wanted in the OLO office......ha

LMAO

Iggy was looking for a game changer, Motion on Adscam to be moved- That's a game changer.

Maybe at same time check out Consertative spending on ads with taxpayers money, could have been better spent on our long waiting lines at emergancy rooms across the provinces!!!

Oh! And make sure they revisit the flow-through advertising dollars that the Conservatives used to overspend on elections!

Is there a specific website or source for information on just where the sponsorship fiasco inquiry is?
Is an inquiry even going on? Why has four years passed and we know so little about this $45 million corruption? Canadians are forgetting about it it seems, and thats a shame because it creates cynicism and we´ll not know enough, to prevent it happening again down the road.

A few years ago this was all anyone could talk about. The magnitude and audacity were beyond what most Canadians had ever experienced. In today's world of Ponzi schemes and financial meltdowns because of corruption in the financial sector in the billions and trillions, a $45 million starts to fade into irrelevance. We've become numbed to corruption. Still, we need to continue following the trail to hold people accountable to the citizens of Canada even if the judiciary won't completely follow through.

It's about time.

Thank-you Harper government!!
This has been a long time coming.
Canadians need to know the truth.

It's about time. I'd also like to find out if the LPC debts to Elections Canada have been paid. That's more money from us taxpayer.

HEEEEEE HAWWWW!!

The truth and nothing but the truth.....

Ah, but remember: the truth if necessary but not necessarily the truth. LOL.

Adscam? Should not those individuals in the Liberal Leadership Campaign be required to report
the monies outstanding before this goes to much further? Perhaps they are waiting for forgiveness and then again...........maybe they have!
The deception by the Liberal's is shameful!,and to know ,as we Westerners have suspected ,runs
deep.

Hip, hip, hooray and hallelujah!

Methinks the the OLO should be renamed the LOL: the Leader of the Opposition's Lair, LOL!!!!

It's high time our elected representatives were fully called to account on how and where they spend OUR money. The LPC and its leaders increasingly revealed a sense of entitlement, seeming to think that our hard-earned dollars were their personal cache to do with what they wanted, when they wanted, where they wanted, no questions asked -- and, certainly, no questions answered.

Well, now it's answer time. What the auditor general finds will be very interesting, indeed. I imagine a few knees are quaking and a few stiff drinks are being downed. Time to face the music, boys. 'Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch ...

Yes its true we need to know where our tax dollars are being spent, such as the money on silly advertisements for the conservatives, now that is money not well spent, check them our first before going backwards to days gone by, its happening now!!!!

Good luck with that.....

At this point in time, who the heck cares.

That's a fact - we, the above and undersigned too, demand to know where our hard-earned tax dollars went re this gLlib theft - and furthermore, we want it back. . . .

Yeah. would help to pay down the difficit, which the Libs pushed us into.

I want to know as well. Gomery didn't go far enough. The Liberals called the enquiry, so no one expects him to deliver any Liberal heads on any platters. Gomery didn't finish the job!

I'd rather the Tories pushed for conservative legislation then waste time and energy on this crap.

The Government of Canada is still pushing legislation thru,
and the AG can do her Adscam audit at the same time,
and the RCMP can keep investigating the theft of millions of taxpayer money in a liberal kickback scheme.........

this is unfinished business!

I don't think this kick in the groin for the latest smears by the Liberals will take up much time or energy.

I am confident Liberals were warned and the CPC have responded in fashion with substance vs silly political games.

Are the Liberals done messing with the CPC?

Are you still using Windows 3.1? Ever heard of multitasking?

Great news unless of course you are Liberal. I am interested in the court case against Elections Canada getting every political party to pay their GST overpayment back.

I have been saying this for years. In fact,the day that the Gomery Inquiry was released,I was one of the first people on cbc-tv to call for the dissolution of the Quebec election results and to do it again. Years later and we still don't know who got the money. Meanwhile cbc has done 9 shows on Mulroney/Schrieber,yet hasn't spent an ounce of energy investigating a REAL scandal.

Did you really think the CBC would. The CBC is the biggest Liberal Propaganda Machine on the plant.

There is so much Adscamery that has just not met with justice.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/groupaction/p...

Question: Why now?

Now? Because Liberals are bringing back the guys that were close to adscam. Might the Auditor General want to know what Donolo knew and when he knew it and what he did about it?

Maybe there was a reason that he was distancing himself from the party, and thought it was all forgotten.

In other words, it's a political tactic rather than a genuine effort to find out what happened to the taxpayer's money? You know this is almost certainly how the media will approach this, and with justification.

Or it has come to the point where the Liberals have been given 4 years to clean up but persist in bringing back the people that were neck deep in the adscam fiasco.

When Mulroney's dirty laundry was out for all to see the CPC clearly cut ties with all and sundry that were associated with the wrong doings.

I do not think that the Liberals have taken the steps required to fix or distance the party from the larger scandal of directly stealing money from the tax-payers. How many current Liberal MPs were in caucus when adscam was being carried out?

Now how many have left or demanded that their crooked colleagues are exorcised from the party?

The Liberals seems only too happy to have the people on whose watch this occurred.... Kinsella , Donolo along with every Quebec MP except Garneau and Trudeau.

They had their chance to clean up the but have decided to wait for Auditor General Fraser to do it for them in full view of all of Canada.

So it may seem to be politically opportunism but the Liberals left the festering scab to be picked.

BC VOICE OF REASON??.............bein reduced to two seats is what casued the ultomate mulroney housecleaning. one must also acknowledge that Gomery did not single out any Liberal MP's or officers per se as being knowingly involved in adscam.

adscam was basically an organized criminal attempt to steal money. And it wasn't the federal liberal party that was implicated, just some rogue so called members of the party.

In any event Harper and his cronies must be really concerned about their own ethics and honesty if they are still trying build their careers on that one issue. It sure looks like a cover up to me and I think I will be proven correct in my assessment.

Ripples you can't be serious? I would bet that every Liberal MP from Quebec and the whole organization knew about it. It's just difficult to proof.

Ummm - maybe because Quebec is the last region in Quebec where the Liberals have a chance of holding seats - and even that is slipping away. This will be the final nail in the coffin for Iggy.

It may be long overdue but strategically perfect timing.

Nothing like keeping the powder in that bazooka dry. :D

I see the internal polls are showing Conservatives that Canadians are sick of their gross mishandling of H1N1 despite a year warning to get ready, sick of their pork favouratism, sick of them using taxpayer money to fund their campaign war chest, sick of them lying and preventing a legitimate inquiry into detainees, sick of their record setting spending and deficit without a plan, etc.

So what else to do but go DefCon1 - start talking about an issue that occurred a decade and a half ago, three prime ministers ago and 5 Liberal leaders ago.

Smacks of a sudden, and frankly very surprising, desperation.

Frankly, I didn't think the Liberal accusations were hitting home as much as they obviously are.

Did the Harper government invent the Plague, too? Geez.

LMAO, "Liberal accusations were hitting home"..........................more like swings and misses, talk about desperation.

The LPoC is ethically and morally bankrupt, they have absolutely no respect for democracy, even in their own party the Bloc Torontois Champaigne Sipping Socialist Elites simply cast aside the aspirations of the grass roots and alienating many of their supporters in the process.

Yep. Internal polling is so bad for the Conservatives Iffy had to fire two members of his staff. And all those polls from all the pollsters, including Donnello, are just outliers.

Internal polling on the issues, not voting intention. I.e. they see from the polling that they are incredibly vulnerable and remember how quickly Harper went from 25% and Martin from 39% to the reverse.

So what's your point?
Mulroney was dragged over the coals, 30 years later, over $300K;
it's only 4 years since the first Gomery report,
and there's $43 Million still unaccounted for.
Did yah think we would forget?
Or would wait until the Cons had a majority to drag Liberal butts over a bed of nails?
No no, now is good,
a minority government where support from ONE other party is needed....

And the winner is.... wait for it.... wait for it.... WILSON via TKO of oldschoolliberal

The pathetic polling numbers is the least of the problems for the Liberal Party.

The Liberals are so eager to get back into power that they keep pinning their hopes on the magic of one person to resuscitate the ailing party.

Like a desperate patient with a serious disease, they would rather resort to a sorcerer with a magic wand instead of following the proper – probably painful – therapy of conventional medicine.

The Liberal party is sick and the disease is serious. It has lost its status as the party of ideas and now is just the party of slogans. The Liberals have slogans about the environment, immigration, the economy and social justice but there is nothing behind them.
http://www.thestar.com/comment/article/719021?bn=1

Real Liberals are honest and are abandoning the party hence the 25% numbers, 15% Job Approval rate. Beating records held since 1867 in lack of support?

The loss of 2,000 contributors from Q2 (maxed out?), drop in share of mind for contribution vs Dion 2008 numbers?

GST overpayment trial for all political parties?

Peter Donalo has his hands full, who else will he fired? WK for competing communication with Jill?

The staff should be contacting the LPOC for the next "LPOC survivor 2010-no one is cares "

Were you so concerned when the ethics committee went after Brian after over 20 yrs.
And please link to info that the H1N1 was a potential problem over a year ago. The mishandling of said vaccine is all liberal faux outrage and media hype.
It does take time to manufacture said vaccine, test it, and get it out to the public. Perhaps it should have been tested on criminals first. Then, after Bennetts outrage, they had to start making another kind, thus delaying the first kind.
Perhaps if lawyers had not threatened so many malpractice suits for people unwilling to take responsibility for their life style, more manufacturers of vaccines would be around.

So thousand and thousand and thousands of Canadian parents are stupid is that what Conservatives are trying to say? They are stupid to be concerned for their kids? Nice.

Thousands of Mexicans died of swine flu almost a year ago, bud. Many Canadians got sick and a few died. If that isn't enough of a warning, I'm not sure what is. Oh, how about the health committee holding a hearing to press the government to make sure it was prepared for an expected outbreak as soon as school started back.

The US, Japan, England, every other western nation has been busily preparing with massive ad campaigns about health instead of self-promotion, ordering the vaccine early, sending out clear and not confusing messages about what is safe and whether or not to take the vaccine and where to take it. The Conservatives? More interested in slapping their logo on cheques and spending Canadian tax dollars promoting themselves ($100 million in advertising vs $8 million for H1N1) . They still can't get a clear message out and reversed their order a couple of weeks ago, thereby further delaying the rollout of the vaccine.

Thank god this serious and bad virus is not a superbad superbug like a SARS. The Conservative lack of preparedness and screw ups are unbelievable.

No wonder they want to try to change the channel. Four years and no mention of any further Adscam investigation. Now when they are coming under very serious competency and accountability questions - not just self-promoting advertising and gross pork partisanship and H1N1 incompetence, but accountability challenges from the Information Commissioner, the Budget Chief and, next week, the Auditor General on Harper's own eHealth scandal which makes McGuinty look like a dime store robbery, not to mention the offensive handling of the detainees.

No wonder they want to try to change the channel.

No Parents are not stupid but are being panicked by the Media .

M123T: Do you read the newspapers or watch the news? Or read anything on the internet?

I'll forgive you if you haven't been following the many medical reports, including from our own Public Health officials to Harper, warning of a coming outbreak as soon as the kids got back into school. But surely you must at least remember the thousands of Mexicans dying from swine flu last year and the worry then of a pandemic? The medical community has been very concerned about this for a year.

Health is a provincial responsibility, not a federal one. Link to the thousands of mexicans dying of the swine flu. If the medical community has been so concerned why didn't they lobby their provincial ministers of health. Not PMSH fault. The media and liberals have hyped the hysteria instead of trying calm fears.
As for watching tv, Fox is my channel of choice, except when CSI is on.
School boards dropped the ball by not having a vaccination program, but I wonder how many parents would have said no on the permission slips. Probably the same ones now complaining.

Another Conservative who wants to blame the parents! Nice!

Vaccines are a federal responsibility. Assessing needs and placing the order is a federal responsibility. Getting the message out is a federal responsibility.

Which is why the country has been waiting for the feds to approve the vaccine, while every other country got their approvals 1 or 2 months ago.

Do provincial governments have some responsibility here? More than some. But not for vaccine shortages. There isn't enough vaccine to go around.

But the most important thing in all of this, as in everything, is that Stephen "Pass the Buck" Harper is blameless. Always. In everything. Someone wrote the other day that Harper passes the buck more than Sidney Crosby passes the puck and that's about right.

(And if this is the first time you've heard of swine flu then that really does say everything we need to know about how informed you and your opinion and your pssing the buck are.)

First time I heard about swine flu was many years ago, and I remember a Johnny Carson skit, with Ed and his band leader, in pig masks with curly tails behind them, telling us all about it. It was big news back then. Do you think we would be better off if untested vaccine has been used. Would you rather live virus vaccine be used, as is happening in the states.
Thousands of orders were placed, but it takes time to manufacture them. Just because something is ordered, requested or whatever, doesn't mean it will happen. Like, I order you to quit trolling and accept that the PM is doing a great job. Bet you don't obey.

Link please.

Six Million doses shipped. 20% over the estimated high priority supply.

Delivery is a Provincial , Territorial Responsibility. If mistakes are being made and people are being confused look in the mirror, media, opposition parties for the hysteria.

No data H1N1 is more deadly than Seasonal Flu.

http://watch.ctv.ca/news/ctvs-question-period/n...

Media highlight 2 deaths in "teens" repeatedly. Long lines and a drop in shipment causing a shortage.

Canada is again leading the world in per capita vs ANY country in delivery.

Which is why Iggy has been so busy attacking the Cons on this for over a year??? Oh wait - he hasn't been. What has he been doing? Nothing like hindsight eh? Liberals make great armchair governments. Fortunately, that is exactly what they will be doing for the foreseeable future :)

''The medical community has been very concerned about this for a year.''

but only 1/3 of Canadians said they wanted the shot,
now 49% say they do....

the panic Liberals and the media spawned will subside as everyone will have had their shot, that want one, by Christmas...but Adscam is unfinished business that will not go away.

Right. The Liberals and the media's fault. As always. In everything.

'Cause it had nothing to do with three healthy kids dying from H1N1 within one week. Nothing at all. It's always the Liberals fault or the media's fault or both. It's their fault the vaccine wasn't ordered on time. It's their fault not enough vaccine was ordered. It's their fault the Conservatives spent $100 million on self-promotion instead of education on H1N1. It's their fault that the government stopped the already late order and got GSK to switch to make a different variant of the vaccine two weeks before the order was due, thereby causing further delays and disorganization and confusion. It. Is. Always. The. Liberals. Fault. Remember that.

And, remember too, most important of all, it's never ever ever Stephen "Pass the Buck" Harper's fault. In anything. Ever.

So far no autopsy has proved cause of death, and parents don't want one. When it takes weeks for tests to verify if one has the H1N1 as labs are so far behind, they are not testing here anymore, don't jump to conclusions. And that is the truth, as told to a mother, with a sick child. But, without tests to verify, we are told there is one verified case here. How do they know.
Fortunately my friends child is back in school.

Yes the Liberals are playing games and blaming the government. The fact the Liberals are asking questions and creating confusion instead of helping.

The information and updates are discussed in committee. The rhetorical questions in HOC and fearmongering by the Liberals are only adding to the confusion.

"Right. The Liberals and the media's fault. As always. In everything."

But it is just fine for you to blame Harper for everything right?

Link please of "thousands of dying in Mexico from H1N1.

http://healthblog.ctv.ca/post/Health-officials-...

April 2009 "We have just frightened everyone that catastrophe is imminent and yet no one is actually looking at the disease."
Compared to the deaths caused by seasonal flu this year, swine flu is considerably less dangerous.
According to a recent U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's weekly report, more than 13,000 Americans have died from seasonal flu in 2009 alone.
The worldwide total for seasonal flu related deaths is generally between 250,000 and 500,000 a year.
Rau says that there is much debate in the scientific community about if swine flu should be considered a pandemic virus or just a new virus.
He expects the WHO will increase their pandemic level to Phase 6, but cautioned people about overreacting.
Nick Bontis, a strategy expert from the DeGroote School of Business at McMaster University in Hamilton, Ont., said people are being hammered by the WHO alerts and wall-to-wall media reports -- and that it all amounts to harmful and needless fear mongering.
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTV...

OSL (Parnel) You asked if M123T reads much what is your excuse for making things up?


INDEPTH: SARS
SARS Cases
CBC News Online | Updated October 7, 2003

Cumulative SARS Cases as of September 26, 2003 (World Health Organization):

Cases worldwide (cumulative): 8,098 (includes deaths)
Total number of deaths: 774 (includes 44 in Canada)

*Current case definitions (according to Health Canada):

Suspect

"A person who fits into one of the following two categories:

1) a person who develops fever and one or more respiratory symptoms, including cough, shortness of breath or difficulty breathing, within 10 days of returning from travel to areas in Asia where SARS cases are being reported; or

2) a person who develops fever and one or more respiratory symptoms, including cough, shortness of breath or difficulty breathing, within 10 days of having had close contact with a "probable" case of SARS."

Probable

"A person meeting the suspect case definition together with severe progressive respiratory illness suggestive of atypical pneumonia or acute respiratory distress syndrome with no known cause.
OR
A person meeting the suspect case definition with an unexplained acute respiratory illness resulting in death, with an autopsy examination demonstrating the pathology of acute respiratory distress syndrome with no known cause."

Source: World Health Organization, Health Canada and Ontario Ministry of Health
http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/sars/cases.html

Who is really the desperate one here?, OSL? You're cutting and posting this blather all over the Liblogs and now on Blogging Tories, trying to defuse this issue. It won't work. People will really want to know which of the 12 Liberal candidates from the election in question received stolen taxpayer money through the Sponsorship Scandal and wether they are MP's today.

Nothing "desperate" in keeping the powder in that bazooka dry, OSL. :D

http://bigcitylib.blogspot.com/2009/11/chaff.html

Who is desperate to change the channel? Harper.

Someone reminded me as well that next week or the week after, the Auditor General is going to be reporting on Harper's own eHealth scandal which blows McGuinty's out the door.

Time to start trying to change the channel now. If anyone knows how quickly the polls can flip around, it's Harper who was polling at 25% in September 2005 to Martin's 39%.

(And what the hell is this "all over the Liblogs and now on Blogging Tories" lie? Two comments on two separate blogs, here first and then one place elsewhere. First you want to tell parents what they should be worried about for their kids and now you are trying to tell parents where they are allowed to comment on the topic??? It took the Liberals 13 years to get this arrogant; you've managed it in 4 years. Well done.)

The federal ehealth was started in 2001...that would be Chretien,
''Auditor General Sheila Fraser first raised alarm bells about Infoway shortly after its creation, noting in an April 2002 report that the agency lacked ministerial oversight''

I have no doubt what so ever,
that this Conservative government has done better.

Harper has left the country because the Liberals are broken. He has ZERO fear of the party. They have been broken again worse than Dion this time.

MI cancelled his trip to China, Harvard. MI is afraid Bob Rae will take his job. He has been seen lately visiting soup kitchens and Daycares working on his adult conversation and looking for some friendly faces.
Still no luck. Even kids looking for candy were not interested in visiting MI on Halloween.

"Who is desperate to change the channel? Harper."

Have you seen the latest polls. I don't think "desperate" is an accurate assessment of the situation. But based on your drivel here I'm guessing accurate assessments aren't your strong suit.

My goodness, Parnel/Terry - don't you have anything better to do?

MH, for a list of liberals elected before adscam and still there check out Crux Of The Matter for a complet list. She has done a fantastic job on this.
IMHO until all those are defeated or resign, the libs will always be remembered of the party that stole millions from the taxpayer. Donalo can't change that, but as Chretains head honcho, he probably knows where the bodies are buried. Will the motion pass the committee. Must watch cpac in the am.

Studies show the Liberals are still wearing ADSCAM. Some remaining Liberals can't comprehend the damage to their brand.

http://www.newmajority.com/the-four-stages-of-a...

The damage wrought by the sponsorship scandal was not confined to the 2004 election. In
2006, the probability of voting Liberal was 35 points lower among voters who were very angry
about the scandal, believed that there had been a lot of corruption under the Chrétien Liberals,
judged Martin’s handling of the scandal negatively and lacked confidence in his ability to
prevent future scandals. This was even stronger than the effect registered in 2004, but luckily for the Liberals, judgments were not as harsh as they had been two years earlier. Still, but for the scandal, the Liberal vote would have been over three points higher in 2006, enough to make thedifference between a bare plurality and defeat. (Page 10)
http://ces-eec.mcgill.ca/documents/Anatomy%20of...

Adscam is now back in the news!
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/montreal/story/2009/10...

http://montreal.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews...

Corbeil says he will reveal who profited from the scam, suggesting more names will come out in connection with the scandal that helped to bring down Paul Martin's minority Liberal government in 2006.
http://montreal.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews...

You wish.

The court cases in Quebec are making headlines in Quebec. The CBC chooses to ignore real news for wafers, bodybags, logos and smears by the Liberals.

The CBC can continue to bury the "Bad" News showing MI less popular than Jack Layton. The Toronto Star can bury their "Polls" to page 6 when Liberals are placing behind the NDP.

The CPC are free to finish off the party of Adscam refusing to repay those millions. The Liberal friendly Media is free to look for a villian for H1N1. They can repeat the hysteria and panic again. The media can look for a scapegoat.

In the meantime the court cases will go on and the CPC will be pressing their advantage. This is not time to become a boy scout and let your opponent recover.

"I see the internal polls"

Polls matter now?

But, of course, thanks for the former LPC government, our health care system is ill-equipped to handle the situation.

Just like Liberals who wanted to keep talking about Mulroney when it was 20 years ago. Talk about hypocrisy.
Mishandling H1N1. Sure use a pandemic to try to get some partisan advantage. The Libs and the media have created hysteria in the public causing thousands of otherwise healthy Canadians to think they need the shot when in fact they are not in any danger. If you think that 32 million people can be immunized without long line ups and if you think we can manufacture healthcare workers to administer the shots then you truly live in a Liberal la la land.
The rest of your comments are pure spin. Canadians have lost faith in the Liberal party and its feckless leader.

Old School Lib. Yes, right can't you just hear the howling if the Feds had told the Provinces how to handle the Problem. Besides it was Mr Chretien who signed an iron clad contract with Glaxo in received a 50000 $ dollar donation for the Party in return. Do you really think you can cancel an iron clad multimillion dollar contract without paying for it? In fact I suspect that some of the Provinces deliberately made a mess out of it so they Liberanos could blame the CP in the House. It certainly looks that way in Ottawa.

I'd like to see the Auditor General examine the $162 Million Taxpayer Dollars that a certain CSL benefited from................................................

Before we get too excited, will this motion have to be passed by the committee before anything is done.
What if the libs/ndp/bloc vote against it. Wont be good for them. This and the gun registry vote. Who will vote against that.

This is a no win for the opposition to vote to protect their coalition partner. If the NDP or Bloc go to the defence of the Liberals than the CPC will be given another weapon to use in the next campaign.

This could "make or break" the LPC. If Mikhail Igneutiev's beleaguered Liebral colleagues can dodge this one sufficiently, or even become scapegoats by "taking one for the team", then the Party's miniscule integrity may yet survive to fight another day. If, however, the whole thing "blows up" in their collective faces, then the Canadian voting public will surely dismiss them as an entire body unworthy of any degree of trust. Canadians are demanding accountability, and it's pretty heady timing for PMSH to get the ball re-rolling on this one. In a case of magnitudinous and widespread conviction for the misappropriation of public funds, the Opposition would have to completely retool, which is likely what they should be doing anyway, to get away from this impatient thrust to regain power on the back of successively appointed unsuccessful saviours.

The word accountability and Tories don't mesh in the same sentence. Harper has used that word to hide his own dictator ambitions.

Where's the accountability on everything he promised.............hidden and controlled by his office is where. So to suddenly demand accountability for adscam while hiding his own scams is pretty damn hypocritical.

I'm not sure what the NDP or the Bloc have to gain by voting against this motion.

It's the Liberal$ who used taxpayer dollars to fund their friends' businesses who, in turn, "donated" said monies back to the Liberal Party of Canada. Why wouldn't the NDP and the Bloc want to find out what happened to this money? After all, they're Canadians and it was their money too.

Actually, the Bloc should be in favor of this motion, could help them in the next election.

Hmmm, what can we do to change the channel... they're not really going for our tough-on-crime-bit - maybe talking about the sponsorship scandal will work...

Apparently it is working, since it's forced you to come on here, assume a name that demeans your opponent, then issue Liberal party talking points du jour. Fascinating.

The Liberals have talking points all ready in response to Stephen Taylor's Sunday blog post? Wow. That's pretty efficient and quite the feather in Taylor's cap.

Can you let me know where I can find these talking points. I'd be very interested in reading them.

What's the Lib talking point...Iffy was out of the counrty for 34 years, so he knows nothing, is responsible for nothing?
Iffy's just visiting.

Speaking about regurgitating party talking points...

You just did. Next.

It won't help the website is is Latin.

You can see the National Director of the Liberal Party respond here:

http://twitter.com/liberalrocco/status/5347342902

Nice. Perhaps we'll then get to the bottom of Cadman Scandal?? Oh, I forgot...you Neo Con Reformers are holier than the rest of us.

All this time, I thought there were 12 Lib candidates that got stolen taxpayers money.
But,
Montreal Gazette reported there were 21.
National Post reported:

Corriveau and Beliveau, Jean Chretien's two closest Quebec campaign associates, were directly involved in the scheme to distribute as much as $300,000 cash to "orphan ridings" in the 1997 election. Marc-Yvan Cote, chief organizer of that campaign for eastern Quebec, distributed $120,000 of that cash to his 21 ridings.

So you have $300k going to 'orphan ridings';
almost half went to Cote to take care of 21 ridings...and the rest?
Will we be talking about alot more than Cote's ridings here?

And Mr. Chretien knew nothing about it. Yea, right.

You know if this motion goes through and the House gives its okay, the only thing that could derail it is if there was a confidence motion where the government falls before the house can vote on the AG investigation.

Ever think this is where Harper was going with this?
Or perhaps its to limit the liberals to two options.

Death at the hands of the hands of the electorate, or by the AG revealing who got the dirty money?

My guess is if it comes to a choice the libs would take their chances with being the ones to force an election.

That aside, if there are nervous libs over the prospect of a full investigation of who got the dirty money, its over who is most likely to break under pressure.

Chretien, and his entourage can stonewall, tough but not that they couldn't be broken under questioning, just saying it would take a lot of work before they would spill. But then Chretien would have the most to lose.

Nope, if there are nervous libs its because of the guy that will panic under questioning, Paul Martin.
Yep we've all seen him react under pressure, and it isn't calm, cool and collected. Its more like, sputter, stutter, faux outrage, and hail mary passes.

The man will sing like a bird, unless Power Corp can spirit him out of town real quick

$43 million, eh? That's about how much of our money the Conservatives have spent to their benefit on partisan advertising.

This is what the Liberals never understood: If you do it yourself, it's wrong. If you coerce civil servants to do it, it's okay.

All governments engage in the same advertising tactics. In other words, they promote their own policies using taxpayer dollars. Nothing new. And, if they don't mention their party, it's completely legit. You can't stop it because there's technically nothing wrong with it. It's just that opposition parties don't have recourse to the same tactic, which is why they always bitch and complain about it, but do the exact same thing when in government.

Liberals did both,
and were unapologetic for either.....
what's a few million, said Chretien.

If the LPC is found to owe the People of Canada $43 Million,
time to fold up that big, saggy, ripped and torn tent.

Do you have a court case, AG report, Ethics report to back up your post about partisan advertising costing?

1) Is there value for money?
2) Are Conservative hacks getting rich off of doing no work of real value for said ad dollars?

From what I hear, the $60 million spent by Conservatives is good value for money
a) To wrap a train car for a month costs less than two days advertising in the Toronto Star
b) Lots more ad impressions

Advertising is necessary in the stimulus program because it boosts consumer confidence which is a causitive factor in an economy's recovery.

I guess you missed the part of the complaint being that it is partisan advertising.

This is good news. Hopefully the resoltion will pass and the Auditor General will take up the challenge. However, I suspect because most of the dealings were in cash it will be difficult to trace whethe the money ultimately ended up. Here's hoping.

hollimn, this is just another Tory attempt at a drive by smear campaign

Call it what you will but the Liberals stole Canadian taxpayer money to help win elections in Quebec. Gomery could not track down some $40 million and there were ridings in Quebec that benefited and we should know who they were and if any of the people involved in those ridings are still involved in the party or worse still a sitting MP who used tainted money to get elected. The government has an obligation to protect taxpayers money whether the Liberal party likes it or not.

Another Tory attempt at a drive by smear campaign

Strategy, ma man, smear the thieving liberals. Stop Boob Rae's fear mongering of innocent Canadians. Rae & Ignatieff should be ashamed of themselves.

Yep cover up your won sins by attacking the other guys and we all pay through the nose. What a stupid remark.

Thieving Liberals, thieving Liberals, thieving Liberals; Adscam was not an accident, Liberals consciously stole from innocent Canadians, now that is stupid!

What is the source of your information?

That response borders on the ridiculous bearing in mind the fact this current government has completely stifled all accountability issues and has literally shut down the ability to easily get access to information.

This Conservative government has proven that it has a hard time governing. Instead of focusing on Unemployment Insurance reform, infrastructure spending, dispensing H1N1 vaccinations, and "stimulating the economy"...the governing party instead have begun attacking Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition to distract the Canadian public from the Conservative Party's mismanagement of state affairs.

Recently I was wondering the same thing. Where did this money go and who benefited from it? The Liberal party should be kept from forming a government for decades because of this.

There are so many questions left unanswered as Mr Cretin continues to haul in his awards.

How is it that that the scheme was so intricate and seemed to require coordination and cooperation on so many levels, yet no one at senior levels on the inside knew?

Who were the MP's that received the cash in brown envelopes?

Are any of them sitting MP's?

Did the other MP's know?

Where is the $43 MM and when can we expect it back?

Does anyone else feel like the public / taxpayer is being stonewalled for answers we deserve here?

I think a full public inquiry is the only option to resolving each of these issues. I think we need to understand how deeply this issue ran through the Liberal party and who was responsible.

I think every Canadian deserves these answers