New #VoteTO poll – Ford still out ahead

Numbers leaked to your Ford-friendly neighbourhood blogger:

Ford – 32%
Smitherman – 22%
Thomson – 10%
Pantalone – 9%
Rossi – 7%
Undecided – 22%

When undecideds are dropped out of the sample,
Ford – 41%
Smitherman – 28%
Thomson – 13%
Pantalone – 12%
Rossi – 9%

Done by Ipsos

A news station will have the numbers out later this evening
UPDATE: It a poll that was likely commissioned for Global. Rumour is they have an “explosive new poll” that’ll go on the news at 6pm.

UPDATE: Global reports same numbers as above except Smitherman at 21% and undecided at 21%. This poll was done by a company with extensive credibility and indicates that Ford may be Toronto’s next mayor come October 25th.

Comments

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  • Anonymous

    Can’t wait for Ford to bust a vein when he triggers a general strike and Toronto shuts down.

  • Anonymous

    Apples and oranges. While the MSM plays up the detainee issue, criticism of McGuinty on the prisoner released story is muted.

    It’s early days on the prisoner release thing, revelations may yet come shortly. Harper’s been stonewalling for a year.

  • Anonymous

    How do you defend the lack of accountability, transparency on the release or status of the criminals?

    Where have I heard those words “accountability” and “transparency” before? Hmmm.

    Getting sick of the insults, btw, you sorry twisted little troll.

  • batb

    ” … Toronto business community and other less partisan groups applaud Miller’s performance.”

    Uh hum: Who would those “other less partisan groups” be? ‘Wouldn’t be the union toadies Miller caved to every time? Are you telling me that small business owners applaud Miller’s performance? I don’t think so. Maybe you’re referring to the developers who’ve turned Toronto into an ugly concrete jungle of condos — and have likely made more than a few Toronto Councilors richer than they once were.

    Cutting the number of Councilors in half would be an extremely beneficial move for Toronto taxpayers and would free up huge funds to tackle the badly needed work on our infrastructure, especially in cases where Councilors have three and four staffers in their offices. Multiply 44 by 4 and Toronto taxpayers are funding the salaries and benefits of 176 workers, and that’s only for starters.

    I won’t lower myself to your level of ad hominem. ‘Gotta say it amuses me that I got your goat because I don’t happen to agree with your assessment of what’s going on in Toronto. Your little temper tantrum is instructive about the leftward tilting mind, which goes ballistic when someone to the right of you expresses a contrary opinion.

    I’m all for multiculturalism as long as it doesn’t become an end in itself, which is what’s happened here in Toronto. Instead of holding up as our standard law and order, good government, working hard for the benefit of all, we’ve let far too many recent, visible minority immigrants into Canada/Toronto who seem to want to plunder our system rather than contribute to it. Free rides abound and welfare for multiple wives when polygamy is, supposedly, against the law in Canada. Far too many recent immigrants have no intention of assimilating into their new country or contributing to our shared communal life and seem to want to DICTATE to us how to run our country and our city. I don’t mind sharing the abundance of our resources and our way of life with immigrants — that’s Canada — but I really object to being made a servant in my own home: I work hard, provide the welfare, and ask “how high?” when I’m told to jump through some “multicultural” hoop, while too many newcomers live off Canadian’s hard-earned tax dollars. I’ve also seen the entitled behaviour of their children in the schools, where they’ve memorized their “rights” but seem to have no sense of what their responsibilities might be.

    If expressing this opinion means that you call me a tiny-minded, bigoted ass and cretin, so be it. Boo hoo. I’m really upset. I’d suggest to you, kenn2, that you grow a tougher skin, oh, and that you nurture a more reasonable approach to “diversity and multiculturalism.” When these two “wonderful” attributes threaten to suck the life out of our democracy rather than enhance and enrich it, then applauding it is just plain myopic and suicidal.

    On just about every level he outclasses Ford.

  • http://canadiansense.blogspot.com/ Canadiansense

    Do you own research. You apparently can’t read research from 2001 prepared by Ivory Tower elites who pointed out ALL the problems Rob Ford was talking about in 2010.

    You also are ignorant to facts (cognitive dissonance) when made available so more links and more evidence won’t change anything.

    As a Liberal shill pretending to be a progresso.

    Spotting a Liberal is easy, he begins by calling you ignorant, racist and a religious freak.

    Than he grows government through regulations,taxes and enacts policies creates pushes the cultural war meme instead of treating everyone based on the content of their character.

  • Anonymous

    Instead of holding up as our standard law and order, good government, working hard for the benefit of all, we’ve let far too many recent, visible minority immigrants into Canada/Toronto who seem to want to plunder our system rather than contribute to it.

    Wow. I’m getting that framed.

    Very misinformed about immigrants and welfare, unthinking acceptance of every urban myth about immigrants, ignorant of the fact that Canada NEEDS continued immigration to thrive, and chock-full of white resentment.

    You really are Tea Party material.

  • http://canadiansense.blogspot.com/ Canadiansense

    He does not have anything to add to the debate of ideas or policy. He is a Liberal shrill suffering from cognitive dissonance.

    How else can you explain his delusions about Toronto, ignoring the studies I linked from 2001?

    He can’t stick to facts or evidence when posting and is compelled to make personal attacks.

    This will explain how the Liberal Mind works

    The liberal agenda’s favors seduce the people a little at a time, always playing on their regressive longings to be indulged. Favor by favor, accompanied by the constant drumbeat of entitlement propaganda, the otherwise intelligent citizen is led to an increasingly erroneous conception of the proper role of government in a free society. Like a child molester, the liberal politician grooms his constituents until their natural cautions against yielding power in exchange for favors dissolves in reassurance
    http://www.libertymind.com/index.php?page_id=257
    Read Page 29
    http://books.google.ca/books?id=2KckDSbGnWkC&dq=The+Liberal+mind&printsec=frontcover&source=bn&hl=en&ei=IzZ1TMreHsLFswb9_M3sBQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=6&ved=0CDAQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q&f=false

  • http://canadiansense.blogspot.com/ Canadiansense

    I agree calling you a Liberal is an insult.

  • batb

    Addendum to my post above:

    From Christie Blatchford’s column today in the Globe and Mail:

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/christie-blatchford/the-logic-behind-rob-fords-bid-to-derail-the-gravy-train/article1684262/

    [begin quote]

    If you add in the excellent benefits (the city pays 100 per cent of dental and extended health care benefits), the mileage (52 cents a klick) and the extras or perqs some receive for extra work (TTC Chair Adam Giambrone, for instance, isn’t paid as chair, but racked up more than $100,000 in expenses), it costs taxpayers close to $400,000 a year per councillor (except for Mr. Ford and his always thrifty colleague Doug Holyday, who cost $254,000 and $291,000 a year respectively) [44 x $400,000 = $17,600,000].

    So in a city where, according to the 2006 census, individuals earned a median income of $26,754 a year, and annual family median income was $75,829 and declining, councillors’ wages are nothing to sneer at.

    [end quote]

    And, there’s lots more about the profligate spending at City Hall which “the smart people” don’t seem to mind but which the rest of us are heartily sick and tired of, seeing as they’re raiding our pockets, piggy banks, and bank accounts.

  • batb

    What urban myth?

    I LIVE in downtown Toronto, I take the TTC, I drive the city streets, I know what Toronto pays out in welfare — and, yes, if a man has two, three, four, wives and he’s on welfare, the Toronto City Council voted a few years ago to extend welfare to each wife (of course, the husband collects all of the welfare cheques; the women probably see only what groceries cost, as they’re doing the shopping and the toting). I’ve met a pile of immigrant children, most of whom are respectful, co-operative and hard working, but too many of whom are sullen (they don’t like taking instructions from a woman), entitled, and know their rights but have no idea of what responsibilities might be expected of them. In other words, they’re not here to become participating citizens of Canada but to happily be an ethnic ghetto whose agenda is dictated by the politics and customs of the countries from which they’ve come, using Canada only as a place whose passport they can carry when it suits them.

    I’ve never said, nor has Rob Ford, that Canada doesn’t need immigrants. We do need them because we’ve aborted over 1,000,000 babies since 1969 (think of their children and grandchildren who have never been born) and we have a large population soon to be retired or, at least, aging and needing health care expenses funded, etc.

    HOWEVER, the kind of immigrants we don’t need, but seem to be getting by the boatload, are immigrants who use Canada as a hotel, who become citizens of convenience, who have no intention of assimilating into what has, up to now, been our democratic way of life. We have far too many immigrants who are bringing their corrupt ways to our country (one example being Jamaican drug dealers and gangs) and who will not leave their battles in their country of origin but insist on bringing them here, disrupting our public spaces to make Canadians take on their fight, and have the temerity to demand that the Canadian government interfere in the affairs of state of a foreign country because THEY SAY SO and clog up our public roadways to make their point.

    It’s time we were able to have this conversation in Canada without Lefties crying “racist!” “bigot!” “cretin!” “Tea Party material!” There are some substantial issues here, which you haven’t dealt with kenn2, and which hard-working, taxed-to-the-max, pi**ed off Canadians and Torontonians want to bring to the table. We’re paying the bills, after all.

    And, BTW, I prefer coffee to tea.

  • Liz J

    Continue to spread the Liberal line that we need more immigration, that’s a myth as things are at this time, get up to speed, do some research. The Liberals have for decades been harping on that old line, even the immigrants have latched onto it for obvious reasons. They’ve been brain washed with all sorts of lies used as scare tactics by the Liberals.

    If any area needs a Tea Party, it’s Toronto. We need to get a few facts out to allow people to get up to speed and realize how they’ve been taken for political purposes called votes. I’ll gladly join the Tea Party and expose the Snake Oil Salesman tactics used by the Liberals, taking people for fools.

    Get this, we do not NEED immigrants at this time, our systems are stretched beyond the limits. Anyone living in areas teeming with immigrants, with more streaming in daily, will attest to that fact.
    Check out our health services in those areas, check out the number of hospital beds being used for people who come here after years of no health care in the places they have been coming in from.

  • batb

    What urban myth?

    I LIVE in downtown Toronto, I take the TTC, I drive the city streets, I know what Toronto pays out in welfare — and, yes, if a man has two, three, four, wives and he’s on welfare, the Toronto City Council voted a few years ago to extend welfare to each wife (of course, the husband collects all of the welfare cheques; the women probably see only what groceries cost, as they’re doing the shopping and the toting). I’ve met a pile of immigrant children, most of whom are respectful, co-operative and hard working, but too many of whom are sullen (they don’t like taking instructions from a woman), entitled, and know their rights but have no idea of what responsibilities might be expected of them. In other words, they’re not here to become participating citizens of Canada but to happily be an ethnic ghetto whose agenda is dictated by the politics and customs of the countries from which they’ve come, using Canada only as a place whose passport they can carry when it suits them.

    I’ve never said, nor has Rob Ford, that Canada doesn’t need immigrants. We do need them because we’ve aborted over 1,000,000 babies since 1969 (think of their children and grandchildren who have never been born) and we have a large population soon to be retired or, at least, aging and needing health care expenses funded, etc.

    HOWEVER, the kind of immigrants we don’t need, but seem to be getting by the boatload, are immigrants who use Canada as a hotel, who become citizens of convenience, who have no intention of assimilating into what has, up to now, been our democratic way of life. We have far too many immigrants who are bringing their corrupt ways to our country (one example being Jamaican drug dealers and gangs) and who will not leave their battles in their country of origin but insist on bringing them here, disrupting our public spaces to make Canadians take on their fight, and have the temerity to demand that the Canadian government interfere in the affairs of state of a foreign country because THEY SAY SO and clog up our public roadways to make their point.

    It’s time we were able to have this conversation in Canada without Lefties crying “racist!” “bigot!” “cretin!” “Tea Party material!” There are some substantial issues here, which you haven’t dealt with kenn2, and which hard-working, taxed-to-the-max, pi**ed off Canadians and Torontonians want to bring to the table. We’re paying the bills, after all.

    And, BTW, I prefer coffee to tea.

  • batb

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  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FZTFKBCAKFXNNV4VI6FGARGGSY J

    I actually prefer coffee to tea, kenn2.

    I’m not in the habit of “unthinking acceptance” of anything — which seems to be more up your alley. You’ve unthinkingly accepted the pitcher of leftard, politically correct Kool-Aid. Are you telling me that all of our immigrants are model citizens and that a whole pile of them aren’t taking total advantage of their immigrant/”refugee” status to live off the rest of us hard-working, tax-paying Torontonians?

    The kind of immigrants we need in Canada are those who are willing to leave the battles of their countries of origin THERE and not bring them OVER HERE; are those who plan to assimilate into our Canadian way of life, and not live in ethnic ghettos whose values, BTW, they expect Canadians to accept and fund; are those who don’t import gang-related criminality; are those who are willing to work hard and not live off the largess of their new country/city of domicile, etc., etc.

    ‘You live in Toronto and pretend that none of these problems exist? It’s past time that Canadians are “permitted” to have a conversation about them without being called “racist!” “a bigot!” “an ass!” “a cretin” or “Tea Party material.” Unfortunately, folks with your opinions, kenn2, just don’t seem able to allow an opinion other than their own without name calling.

    It’s amusing to see the leftists with their knickers in a total knot at the thought of Rob Ford and his parsimonious ways becoming the Mayor of Toronto. For the rest of us, if it would mean that our municipal politicians would be less promiscuous and profligate with OUR money, it’s a comforting thought and one that’s going to get us out to vote in droves.

  • batb

    testing

  • Anonymous

    Welcome.

    And thanks for the mindless repetition of all the immigrant myths the far right spoon-feed to each other. Just because you or someone else know of one bad apple, you think it’s ok to slam immigrants across the board. The statistics tell how well immigrants do here, especially once they get their bearings. But of course recent census attacks show how much regard the right has for statistics, or truth.

    You’ll fit in just fine around here.

  • Anonymous

    Again, Harper and Flaherty got all those accolades from the international community for a reason

    Nice revisionist history there. CANADA (not Harper & Flaherty) received accolades for it’s resiliency in the face of the economic downturn, due primarily to laws, policies and practices put in place well before Harper. In fact Harper almost wrecked things: he opened up 40-year no-down mortgages, and he was set to strike down some of the very regulations that protected our banks.

    Best PM since WWII? Not exactly. But thanks for making me smile.

  • Anonymous

    Get this, we do not NEED immigrants at this time.

    Well, hey, the bat disagrees with that. I’ll let you two duke that one out.

  • batb

    Oh for heavens sake, kenn2. I can think for myself. No one has spoon fed me. I figured this all out on my own just through OBSERVATION. It’s not one immigrant I’m talking about. It’s a trend. It’s watching our tax dollars support too many new Canadians who are taking total advantage of their new country because they refuse to become Canadian and are happy to be hyphenated Canadians, with strong ties, some illegal, with their home countries. Remember the folks from Lebanon who got the Canadian navy to rescue them, to the tune of hundreds of thousands of dollars, and then returned to Lebanon when the fighting stopped? Who paid for that? Was that “one bad apple”?

    C’mon, kenn2. Get real. Canada has a problem with runaway immigration, not immigration per se. We need immigrants and I welcome immigrants who desire to become Canadian and to fully participate in our democratic institutions. ‘Just don’t ask me to be thrilled about immigrants who are sucking at the very generous Canadian teat, while the rest of us pay for the wet nurse.

    You’re equating statistics with truth? You’re obviously unfamiliar with Samuel Clements’ great line: “There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics.”

    You seem to have got things upside down and inside out, sir.

  • Liz J

    We do not need immigrants, check out the stats and get back to us.

    BTW, have you spoken with your kindred spirits lately, “Terry1/parnel”?

  • Anonymous

    Dumber than a bag o’ hammers.

  • Anonymous

    Sometimes, it’s really clear that you are sincere about your beliefs… yet you continue to embrace … bullshit, and you are often here nodding and applauding the unsubstantiated bullshit that you get from the right-wing blogosphere.

    I figured this all out on my own just through OBSERVATION. It’s not one immigrant I’m talking about. It’s a trend. It’s watching our tax dollars support too many new Canadians who are taking total advantage of their new country because they refuse to become Canadian and are happy to be hyphenated Canadians, with strong ties, some illegal, with their home countries.

    And how the heck would you know this, anyway? You’re doing post-grad work in current sociological trends, maybe? Get it while you can, cos your patron saint in Ottawa has nicely hobbled the long-form census so that decent data will be that much harder to come by, after the 2011 census.

    Everybody has a “crooked immigrant” story or two. Anecdotes are not data, though, and you do not have the full story, and apparently you have no interest in learning the full story.

    Canada, generous as she is, is far from an immigrant’s paradise, and the “immigrant” story that I’ve personally observed is about immigrants who have moved on, or even committed suicide, because they could not get recognition or credit for degrees and post-graduate degrees.

    Fact is, you don’t know the overall costs and contributions of immigrants, and the right wing machine is more than happy to stoke your fears and legitimize any latent prejudice if it’ll keep you voting CPC.

  • Anonymous

    You’re not normally this thick. Having a bad day?

    Ever been in rural southern Ontario? Seen the busloads of Mexicans priming tobacco and picking the veggies, because globalization and Canadian laziness means that no Canadian will bother to pick veggies for the offered sub-minimum wage?

    Heard about the doctor shortage? Did you know that Canadians are NOT going into the trades cos it’s too haaaaard, and they can’t make $100K+/year within 5 years? Do you know what the baby boom is, and that they will all need support and care shortly, yet Canadians won’t go into practical nursing cos of the shit wages and conditions?

    You need immigrants more than you know. Soon enough, the person feeding you, and the one wiping drool off your face, and the one fixing your kid’s car will all be people who aren’t in Canada yet.

  • http://canadiansense.blogspot.com/ Canadiansense

    Federal Liberals created many problems.

    Chalk River was to be shut down replaced in 2000, they had Maple Reactors (3) billions spent to replace the aging facility. They left this mess for the next administration to deal with.

    Immigration Backlog
    March 2008 Bill C-50

    The federal Liberals, in combination with any other opposition party, could defeat the proposed amendments to the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act. But such a vote would trigger an election because the changes are embedded in Flaherty’s budget implementation bill.

    Moreover, the Liberals’ own record on this issue is nothing to boast about. It was their ham-handed attempt to bring in stringent new entry criteria in 2002 that caused most of the backlog.

    http://www.thestar.com/columnists/article/350754

    “Nothing could be further from the truth,” she said Sunday on CTV’s Question Period. “We have to make it easier to get more people here faster. We have a backlog right now that the previous government ballooned from 50,000 to 800,000. It has since grown to 900,000.”

    Finley says the changes are necessary in order to tackle the significant number of applicants waiting to get into Canada and to fill jobs that go empty while qualified people wait in the massive line.
    http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/TopStories/20080323/finley_overhaul_080323/

    It is estimated over $ 2 billion per year is spent to deal with immigration, asylum seekers. We have the lawyers, media, tax funded special interest groups that are getting paid to block any significant changes to our ACT to fix the problems.

    Kenn2 is your typical Liberal shrill who parrots them. He does not provide the facts or evidence to suggest there is NO serious problem. He does what cowards do, attack with emotional outbursts.

    The Auditor General has made Annual Reports on our broken system, and the thousands of rejected asylum seekers that have vanished.

    The Federal Government is pushing for Reform the system but as a minority they can not fix it alone and requires the opposition to put Canada ahead of the special interest groups.

    This should be a bi-partisan effort to remove, track failed asylum seekers within 3 months. Today even if you fail it could take over a decade if they can find you.

    On May 24, 2007, Diane Finley, the Minister of Citizenship and Immigration Canada announced the launch of the first phase of the Foreign Credentials Referral Office (FCRO) – welcome evidence that Canada’s Conservative government is not just aware, but very concerned about this country’s international reputation and equally concerned about the welfare of the immigrants who come here believing that professionals in their field are in demand and they will be able to find a good job soon after arrival.

    The main goal of the FCRO is to help internationally trained professionals get their credentials assessed and recognized more quickly. But, in fact, you don’t have to be a professional to take advantage of the information and the tools provided by this Office to help you hit the ground running in the Canadian job market.
    (www.credentials.gc.ca).

  • Beer and Popcorn

    Had a good laugh about the comment about Rob Ford not having a platform.

    His platform is so weak that almost all the other ‘progressive’ candidates decided to copy it.

    Funny, I don’t remember anything in Rossi’s, Smitherman, Thompson or Joe Pant’s policies about cutting taxes like the land transfer and vehicle registration until Ford proposed it.

    Must have been something they deamed about while sipping latte’s while driving around Rosedale in their BMW’s..

  • batb

    Thanks, Canadiansense, for this info.

    It’s clear to me that the CPC are trying their damndest to fix our broken system, with no help at all from the Opposition. The Opposition parties, far from trying to help the governing party make prudent decisions to benefit all Canadians, is hell bent on blocking any common-sense legislation that the CPC propose. The Lib$, Dippers, and the Bloq have been in partisan mode for so long they seem to have no concept of how NOT to serve only their special interests.

    Quel pays.

  • batb

    Yup!!

  • Anonymous

    Come again?

    Maybe we read different platforms. The one I read is here:
    http://www.robfordformayor.ca/issues/

    First impression is that it could apply to any right-leaning candidate in ANY city.

    Let’s see… we have:
    – downsize
    – trim budget
    – budget limit
    – more cops
    – break unions
    – ban strikes
    – better service
    – grand finale: cut taxes

    …ooooh. What a visionary. Our problems are over. How can Toronto lose?

    (At least he’s walked back that crap about immigration)

  • Anonymous

    And another thing:

    – insert pithy comment here -

    (Thanks Mr Ford. Wish I’d thought of that.

  • Liz J

    With so many of the loopy Left having loose bowels over the prospect of Ford becoming Mayor guessing we can expect a run on Depends when he gets his chain of office. Oh, correction, the Left being heavy on the environment front, they’ll have to go for cloth diapers and rubber pants.

  • Beer and Popcorn

    Sorry – where can I find the progressives talking about tax cuts prior to Mr Ford mentioning?

    Do you have links or any specific articles you can share?

    This was the premise of my post, which I think you missed.

    His platform is solid, conservative and refelctive of a politician who’s aim is not to bankrupt his consituents for some type of new order where taxes are sky high and around the pillars of multiculturalism, the environment and human rights. This seems to be the vision of politicians like Rae, Obama, Miller and Dion, but I think we are hearing pretty clearly from Toronto voters that this isn’t working so much..

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Doug-McLeod/749589241 Doug McLeod

    Canada’s Jim Flaherty has been named the finance minister of the year by Euromoney magazine.
    The honour comes after the World Economic Forum rated Canada’s performance as the best among G8 economies in the current global crisis.
    The International Monetary Fund has also forecast that Canada will be among the least affected by the global crisis and post the strongest recovery among G8 countries next year.
    “Euromoney magazine said Canadian polices in response to the global economic crisis have raised its reputation globally.”

    Note that they refer not to the system, but specifiy “Canadian polices in response to the global economic crisis” I.e. the Government response, not the banking system. Lessee here, the IMF, the World economic Forum and EuroMoney, to name only a few. I’d ask if you were embarassed at being caught being so clueless but we both know that to be embarrassed means you have to have some integrity to lose – so you can’t be. How much do you get paid as a propagandist anyway?

    As to Harper being the best PM since WW II – Of course he is – he is taking care of Canada vice the Lieberals who destroy it to keep a hold on power. Rebuilding our position in the world, solidifying our contributions to our Allies and treaties, providing fiscal programs which have garnered international praise and getting rid of expensive and useless programs may not garner you a majority in a country used to getting bribed with their own tax money but it is certain the action of a true Canadian interested in bettering the country – the Lieberals never managed to come up with that. As to your smiling – hell, I figure on your planet everyone must be smiling – its easy to be happy when reality is so far removed.

    I am impressed about how you acknowledge, that like TO, the west should be keeping our fair share rather than pissing it into Equalization and Transfer payments though, I’m all for that.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Doug-McLeod/749589241 Doug McLeod

    “History’s going to very kind to Miller.” And your credentials for making this ridiculous assumption? Actually, History is kind to very few socialists and I would suspect Miller to be no different. Toronto’s infrastructure is in very difficult shape, costs are out of control, the Garbage issue won’t go away, the cops are accused of having serious corruption problems, people are dying from the pollution/congestion and Miller, who took over the reins of the mega city conjoined to save everyone tons of money, hasn’t done squat on any point. If that’s what History treats well, give Mel Lastman another go. At least he was capable of getting stuff done – even if he called in the army to do it…

  • Anonymous

    Canada has had the least damage, and therefore the prospect of the fastest recovery from the economic crisis, no doubt. The CPC are the sitting government, Flaherty is the Finance Minister… so it’s not unexpected that that Flaherty is in the spotlight. If the Greens were in, their finance minister would be the one getting laurels. That’s how the game works…

    The feds have been somewhat proactive. They clawed back the perilous mortgage deregulation (35 and 40 year mortgages with no down) they initially released, amen. It only took the threat of a coalition government to make them release some stimulus money (little of which made it to the GTA). And, sure, I’d expect some fiscal smarts from a party with “Conservative” on the label…

    Flaherty himself has acknowledged the work of previous governments, including Liberals, in creating the optimum regulatory environment for strong banks. I know you’d rather gouge your eyeballs out with a grapefruit spoon before acknowledging the contributions of Paul Martin.

    To Flaherty’s credit, he’s a far classier dude than you.

    Um, you won’t convince me that Torontonians wanting more of their taxes spent locally is on a par with the west resenting transfer payments, until you can also show me how those clever Albertans went about burying dinosaurs some 3 billion years ago. (You’d think if that was the case, they could have used less sand.)

    I’d ask if you were embarassed at being caught being so clueless but we both know that to be embarrassed means you have to have some integrity to lose – so you can’t be. How much do you get paid as a propagandist anyway?

    And a cheery UP YOURS to you as well.

    (To the few who can think – I’m not against Ford cos he’s right-leaning. I’m against Ford cos he’s … Ford. Look at his record. Listen to what he has said. Yikes. I already told you I’d have supported John Tory in a heartbeat)

  • Anonymous

    the mega city conjoined to save everyone tons of money

    Another dumb Harris move. The amalgamation merged 6 systems, and gave us about the worst of each system. Any theoretical savings were also vacuumed up by the downloading.

    Toronto’s infrastructure problems are the result of decades of inaction. If you look at his fiscal record, Miller performed as a centrist, despite your love of painting anyone left of Stalin as a socialist.

  • Anonymous

    What common-sense legislation has Harper proposed on immigration, that has been opposed? CD’s quotes seem to indicate that the immigration backlog is still increasing under the CPC.

    Also, if you have the time, could you please explain to CanadianDense the difference between immigrants and refugees?

  • Anonymous

    I’m hoping that in the above sh!tpile, there might be a few peanuts of genuine concern. I will try to pick through the mess:

    but when it comes to the rape of the West, and the economic devastation caused by your Lieberla hero’s NEP, uhhh no, that’s just fine by you. You snore about Alberta having oil and ignore that all Quebec had to do was flood a couple of thousand acres for hydro power. And all Toronto needed was a national hand out to build the Seaway so parts didn’t have to be brought in from the east. (Oh, and the Autopact)

    I didn’t bring up Quebec, don’t know what hydroelectricity has to do with oil. Ok, they’re both energy… and your point is what?

    Moan about the NEP all you want; it’s old history and the west seems to be doing just peachy right now. Ontario & Quebec have (had) mineral wealth which has benefited all of Canada, including the west. And I don’t see an equivalency between resource wealth and disposition of taxes, unless you can show me how hard those Albertans worked burying those dinosaurs.

    You’re absolutely right about the lack of infrastructure planning, but you worked hard for it. As you say it costs munny, hunny – and everytime somebody like Ford or Mike Harris tried to wean Toronto in particular or Ontario in general off the public teat, the left wingnuts went beserk. So if you don’t/didn’t like guys like Ford and Harris, well, you made your bed, sleep tight and stop the whining.

    Toronto didn’t elect Harris. Just like the CPC (and you, apparently), Harris milked an anti-urban/anti-East sentiment, and he was happy to follow through. This was someone else unmaking our bed in order to plump up theirs, sorry.

    Alas, now that I’ve given up on retirement…

    You are dangerously close to the truth here. Have you given a thought as to why your , and mine (and most everyone’s) retirement has dwindled? Mull this over: while the modern “conservative” viewpoint has held sway since Reagan in the US, and has spilled over into Canada, the public debate has coarsened, anti-government rants are all the fashion, and wedge issues (like abortion, same-sex marriage, long-gun registry, safe injection sites, census etc) have displaced genuine issues. While we are bickering about this small stuff, we have engaged in pointless and ill-planned wars, seen a serious erosion of our own rights and freedoms, and we allowed our manufacturing to be outsourced and the financial sector, the “engine of our economy” was free to run us off the rails. Left alone and de-regulated, the magic “invisible hand” of the market picked our pockets.

    Canadian financial institutions were protected from the worst economic effects by regulations that Harper actually tried to strip away, btw.

    I deliberately put “conservative” in quotes, because when you look at the real numbers over the last few decades, “conservative” governments have been more expensive and more wasteful, and more “big government” than the Democratic/Liberal spectrum you love to slander.

    I have no problem with REAL conservatives; we could use a few. Why you lot would promote Ford and drive off John Tory is beyond me.

    and unlike you I don’t get paid to draft spin

    … It’s very interesting that you lot keep implying that I’m some sort of paid subversive. I’ve recently spent some time pondering this.

    Let’s sit up and look around a bit, shall we? Where are we, for starters. Why, we’re on the blog set up by Mr Stephen Taylor.

    Stephen Taylor is a scientist, political analyst and a blogger. Taylor writes here regularly and is the founder of bloggingtories.ca. Taylor has contributed to Macleans, CTV, talk radio and has been a featured speaker on new media at numerous events including the Western Standard Cruise and the Forum for Public Policy.

    He’s also a member of the Manning Centre, if I recall correctly. And these are his homies.

    So…. would I be out of place to point out that Mr Taylor IS a paid political operative for the CPC? It’s his job to put out and promote the CPCs message… he actually gets paid to “draft spin” as you put it, here and elsewhere.

    So when you all accuse me of being some sort of paid shill for the Liberals, you are either equating my efforts with those of Mr Taylor (which I take as praise, thank you, because i believe that Stephen is a bright, thoughtful and effective communicator), or you are implying that professional political communication is beneath contempt, which is an undeserved knock on Stephen’s efforts.

    Which is it?

  • Anonymous

    I’m hoping that in the above sh!tpile, there might be a few peanuts of genuine concern. I will try to pick through the mess:

    but when it comes to the rape of the West, and the economic devastation caused by your Lieberla hero’s NEP, uhhh no, that’s just fine by you. You snore about Alberta having oil and ignore that all Quebec had to do was flood a couple of thousand acres for hydro power. And all Toronto needed was a national hand out to build the Seaway so parts didn’t have to be brought in from the east. (Oh, and the Autopact)

    I didn’t bring up Quebec, don’t know what hydroelectricity has to do with oil. Ok, they’re both energy… and your point is what?

    Moan about the NEP all you want; it’s old history and the west seems to be doing just peachy right now. Ontario & Quebec have (had) mineral wealth which has benefited all of Canada, including the west. And I don’t see an equivalency between resource wealth and disposition of taxes, unless you can show me how hard those Albertans worked burying those dinosaurs.

    You’re absolutely right about the lack of infrastructure planning, but you worked hard for it. As you say it costs munny, hunny – and everytime somebody like Ford or Mike Harris tried to wean Toronto in particular or Ontario in general off the public teat, the left wingnuts went beserk. So if you don’t/didn’t like guys like Ford and Harris, well, you made your bed, sleep tight and stop the whining.

    Toronto didn’t elect Harris. Just like the CPC (and you, apparently), Harris milked an anti-urban/anti-East sentiment, and he was happy to follow through. This was someone else unmaking our bed in order to plump up theirs, sorry.

    Alas, now that I’ve given up on retirement…

    You are dangerously close to the truth here. Have you given a thought as to why your , and mine (and most everyone’s) retirement has dwindled? Mull this over: while the modern “conservative” viewpoint has held sway since Reagan in the US, and has spilled over into Canada, the public debate has coarsened, anti-government rants are all the fashion, and wedge issues (like abortion, same-sex marriage, long-gun registry, safe injection sites, census etc) have displaced genuine issues. While we are bickering about this small stuff, we have engaged in pointless and ill-planned wars, seen a serious erosion of our own rights and freedoms, and we allowed our manufacturing to be outsourced and the financial sector, the “engine of our economy” was free to run us off the rails. Left alone and de-regulated, the magic “invisible hand” of the market picked our pockets.

    Canadian financial institutions were protected from the worst economic effects by regulations that Harper actually tried to strip away, btw.

    I deliberately put “conservative” in quotes, because when you look at the real numbers over the last few decades, “conservative” governments have been more expensive and more wasteful, and more “big government” than the Democratic/Liberal spectrum you love to slander.

    I have no problem with REAL conservatives; we could use a few. Why you lot would promote Ford and drive off John Tory is beyond me.

    and unlike you I don’t get paid to draft spin

    … It’s very interesting that you lot keep implying that I’m some sort of paid subversive. I’ve recently spent some time pondering this.

    Let’s sit up and look around a bit, shall we? Where are we, for starters. Why, we’re on the blog set up by Mr Stephen Taylor.

    Stephen Taylor is a scientist, political analyst and a blogger. Taylor writes here regularly and is the founder of bloggingtories.ca. Taylor has contributed to Macleans, CTV, talk radio and has been a featured speaker on new media at numerous events including the Western Standard Cruise and the Forum for Public Policy.

    He’s also a member of the Manning Centre, if I recall correctly. And these are his homies.

    So…. would I be out of place to point out that Mr Taylor IS a paid political operative for the CPC? It’s his job to put out and promote the CPCs message… he actually gets paid to “draft spin” as you put it, here and elsewhere.

    So when you all accuse me of being some sort of paid shill for the Liberals, you are either equating my efforts with those of Mr Taylor (which I take as praise, thank you, because i believe that Stephen is a bright, thoughtful and effective communicator), or you are implying that professional political communication is beneath contempt, which is an undeserved knock on Stephen’s efforts.

    Which is it?