Sarkozy thinks he has control over the French Anarchists, I highly doubt that. (real conservative)

Sarkozy thinks he has control over the French Anarchists, I highly doubt that. (real conservative)

Any comparisons between the two re: how much overtime was paid to police? I’m _guessing_ many of France’s paramilitary forces don’t get OT, cutting the costs. Re: what Canada Goose said, Canada may have saved some $ using more military personnel, but we know what messaging that would elicit, don’t we?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHCMmS6QBdk&feature=related

Any comparisons between the two re: how much overtime was paid to police? I’m _guessing_ many of France’s paramilitary forces don’t get OT, cutting the costs. Re: what Canada Goose said, Canada may have saved some $ using more military personnel, but we know what messaging that would elicit, don’t we?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHCMmS6QBdk&feature=related

Well if they hold it in Paris there are many more police in Paris than in Toronto because they are on a much higher level of security all the time. Also they wouldn't hesitate to use the army which is much cheaper than the police (guess why we didn't use the army).

They have bragging rights to their riot lasting 10 times as long for 1/10 the cost!

A state of emergency was declared for three months.

Hoo haw. Guessing in France they don't put a value on damage to property or a life for that matter. I'd say there's no cost too much to save a human life from the terrorism inflicted by marauding thugs/anarchists.
They were unsuccessful here, they lost, it was well worth the cost to witness such great police work.

It's cheaper because France just surrenders as usual.

Sarkozy: 'Not only tiny in stature ('not his fault) but a political pygmy. 'Seems like he was trying to embarrass his host, Prime Minister Stephen Harper. What a tool.

I hope his wife leaves him!

First, the cost of the G20 was high, but it was high because we like to do things on a kinder, gentler, level here – (Strange, isn't it? – if Harper was ever seen grabbing a protester by the throat, he would be crucified – but then some refer to CBC as a “news” organization) Some have said that it could have been done cheaper by the military – and indeed, it could have. About twenty snipers on the tops of buildings, each with about fifty dollars worth of ammunition and the “Black Block” would have evaporated like a drop of acetone on a hot day. People who believe in their cause don't wear masks, and shooting them (in the process of committing crimes) is not called violence, it is called law enforcement.
Frankly I don't see a problem with that – caught in the act of committing a crime, one officer tells them to desist – if they don't, the communications go up to the top of the building, and the problem falls down in the street, advertising to one and all that they should be peacefull and listening. Caught in the act, warned, and stopped, in about a fifteen second interval – and the peacefull protesters, if they even notice, get to carry on their Protest in a civilized way without interruption. But maybe its my military background that tends towards that type of efficiency. I've been in museums where the guards carry submachine guns, I'm at a loss to see why we are expected to tolerate the obviously lawless and violent in our midst.

strangely, those same people who can justify the $1B for the Long Gun Registry with “if it saves only one life …” can't reconcile that same cost for keeping the real and present danger we saw on TO's streets at bay.

As much as I like Sarkozy's style, he has a case of tear gas myopia. He will be fudging the “books” to fit the statement. There is no way that the security for the G8/G20 meetings in France will be less than what Canada incurred. Another glass of French whine? Cheers.

What genius decided on Toronto? Any where else would have been better and a whole lot cheaper. McGuinty probably asked for it because of the HST. He was probably hoping for some economic spin off dollars. Did you notice how he had nothing to say about the riots?
The riots looked like a set up to me. There were as many media people as there were rioters. What a joke. All the real protesters had their message lost. Those were the people I would have liked to hear from but the media didn't give them the time of day. It would of been a terrible thing if the dignitaries attending would of been criticized.
The appropriate cost for G20 summit? Your kidding, right? The Canadian Government isn't interested in anyone's opinion except their own. Harper with his “Message Event Proposal” had no intention of deviating from his plans.
http://www.cbc.ca/politics/story/2010/06/07/pmo…

Kathy – the very fact that you are using a CBC link as you “reference” tells me exactly what side you are on.

This would have happened whereever they had it- look at Vancouver. And you have the audacity to say the the “message was lost” – what message????? Who exactly would you want to hear chanting anti globalization slogans 0r anti poverty slogans or anti government slogans. Do you really think that walking down the street holding signs changes anyone's mind??

Kathy, you ask “What genius decided on Toronto?”
This “genius” agreed with that decision: http://www.empireclub.org/static/speeches/PaulMartin20...
“… Finally it is more than appropriate that the city of Toronto be the gathering place for the Canadian discussion.
… where better to hold the next summit, than here in the home of Canada’s 5 largest banks, institutions which in themselves and in the structure that regulates them, have become the models for others to follow. …”

Also http://canadianaffairs.suite101.com/article.cfm…
“… Both the G20 and G8 summits were supposed to take place at Deerhurst Lodge in Huntsville, Ontario, but were nixed following a statement by Huntsville’s mayor Claude Doughty that Deerhurst couldn’t support the world leaders. Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) Commissioner William Elliott backed the mayor’s pronouncement, adding the resort town doesn’t enough resources to host 20 world leaders and their delegations. …”

As for the cost: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/34th_G8_summit#Budget [July 7–9, 2008]

“Japan spent an unprecedented amount on hosting the G-8 Summit. Although a full accounting has not been announced, the estimated total budget was more than ¥60 billion [$1.12 billion]:

• ¥30 billion (£283 million; $561 million) used by the National Police Agency for patrolling the venues, including taking counter-terrorism measures. …”

Gee, I can’t really tell you how long its been since I went to a anarchist for an eval. Welcome to the real world, where cops can and in order to protect people, property and society, arguably should, shoot someone caught in the commission of a crime. Their lives, despite what their mommy’s told them, are not more important than the rule of law and the safety of society. So its pretty bizzare for you to suggest that someone who suggests that society’s needs come beforesome mindlessly shrieking anarchist a sociopath, isn’t it? But then, I suspect you have no more background in diseases of the mind than you do in law. Put it this way, I was in Leningrad (when it was still behind what was called the Iron curtain) before I was 20 and spent most of the rest of my life in places from Chile, where the military trumps the constitution, to Portugal where the guards in the museum carry submachine guns and are quite prepared to use them, to other God forsaken little outposts. I know in some little worlds, where parents have told their savage little offspring that they are special to the world and nobody ever has the right, to tell them “no” that the rest of us are supposed to ascribe to that bizzare concept, but the fact is, very few places in the world prize criminals over society. If the “Black Bloc” want to move a concept forward, then they have the right to organize and the right to peacefull protest – and if they do so, more power to them. What they do not have the right to do, is destroy property and terrorise people, or cause such unlawful upheaval that they deny the public the right to move as they want within their own cities. My best friends daughter was murdered a few months ago – the two who did it, took their time with her for a day before they killed her. In effect, they aren’t very different from the Black Bloc – each believe they had the right to do something despite it being against the laws of the land and at the expense of the public good. Did the bloc kill someone? Not this time but it is only a matter of time before a gas tank explodes on a burning car they’ve set afire to, or the marbles they throw under the hoofs of the horses cops are mounted on cause a cop to come out of the saddle on concrete or some poor onlooker gets caught in the confrontation they are escalating or something like that. Why in God’s name should the rest of us endure their mindless stupidity and savagery? Read your Martin’s before demonstrating your stupidity – cops have the right to use such force as necessary to stop people from committing a crime and to protest the public (Hint – I believe it’s section 25) so do the military if engaged by the Government – if the facts bother you, tough. It ain’t me that’s screaming obscenities, destroying public and private property and endangering the public or obstructing their rights – in short its them that’s the sociopaths, not I. So my friend, one of us indeed needs help – it just isn’t me.

Gee, I can’t really tell you how long its been since I went to a anarchist for an eval. Welcome to the real world, where cops can and in order to protect people, property and society, arguably should, shoot someone caught in the commission of a crime. Their lives, despite what their mommy’s told them, are not more important than the rule of law and the safety of society. So its pretty bizzare for you to suggest that someone who suggests that society’s needs come beforesome mindlessly shrieking anarchist a sociopath, isn’t it? But then, I suspect you have no more background in diseases of the mind than you do in law. Put it this way, I was in Leningrad (when it was still behind what was called the Iron curtain) before I was 20 and spent most of the rest of my life in places from Chile, where the military trumps the constitution, to Portugal where the guards in the museum carry submachine guns and are quite prepared to use them, to other God forsaken little outposts. I know in some little worlds, where parents have told their savage little offspring that they are special to the world and nobody ever has the right, to tell them “no” that the rest of us are supposed to ascribe to that bizzare concept, but the fact is, very few places in the world prize criminals over society. If the “Black Bloc” want to move a concept forward, then they have the right to organize and the right to peacefull protest – and if they do so, more power to them. What they do not have the right to do, is destroy property and terrorise people, or cause such unlawful upheaval that they deny the public the right to move as they want within their own cities. My best friends daughter was murdered a few months ago – the two who did it, took their time with her for a day before they killed her. In effect, they aren’t very different from the Black Bloc – each believe they had the right to do something despite it being against the laws of the land and at the expense of the public good. Did the bloc kill someone? Not this time but it is only a matter of time before a gas tank explodes on a burning car they’ve set afire to, or the marbles they throw under the hoofs of the horses cops are mounted on cause a cop to come out of the saddle on concrete or some poor onlooker gets caught in the confrontation they are escalating or something like that. Why in God’s name should the rest of us endure their mindless stupidity and savagery? Read your Martin’s before demonstrating your stupidity – cops have the right to use such force as necessary to stop people from committing a crime and to protest the public (Hint – I believe it’s section 25) so do the military if engaged by the Government – if the facts bother you, tough. It ain’t me that’s screaming obscenities, destroying public and private property and endangering the public or obstructing their rights – in short its them that’s the sociopaths, not I. So my friend, one of us indeed needs help – it just isn’t me.

Alberta Girl-You made assumtions about what the protester's message was. How do you know what they were going to say if you did not hear it? Whether I agree with their message or not is immaterial. My point was I never heard it. Main Stream Media did not cover their message.

Just because CBC is bias does not mean that their core message is wrong. The Message Event Proposal does exist and Harper was responsible for it.

Your prejudice is showing. I use all news organizations equally, you might be surprised. The first political party I worked for was the Reform party. Do you remember them? Preston Manning is an amazing person. I was angry when they abandon him and the Reform Party for the Canadian Alliance. Do you remember them? When they tried to join with the Conservatives, I thought maybe. Now, Harper has sold out. He has become another Conservative just like Mulroney. I voted Conservative in the last election and we have a Conservative MP. Do you?

Gabby-Martin is an idiot. Whatever, he has to say is irrevelant. Of course, it couldn't be held in Huntsville. Have you ever been there ? I used to live up there. Deerhurst is not that big and neither is the town. Next time Montreal or Quebec City can have it and you can pay for the damages and mess afterwards. In this depression, the business owners in Toronto could not afford it. They tried to fight it. You must of missed that. Who is going to pay the detuctible on the insurance? The owners. If those were my stores, I would be angry too. Who cleans up the mess? The owners.

Comparing the cost in 2005 to 2010 and Canada to China is absurb. We are in a DEPRESSION,! We cannot afford it after bailing out the banks in 2008 to the tune of 75 billion dollars through the CHMC. Harper did this. China's GDP is far superior to ours. China also used soldiers and not cops. Soldiers cost less than cops. They could afford it then but not now. China lies alot. I wouln't be so quick to trust China's figures.

Expl;ain why it is that most people outside of Ontario are always so quick to assume that everyone who uses the CBC is Liberal? Do you assume that I am from Toronto? It would be like assuming that you are a Bloc supporter because you live in Quebec. Is that fair? Blogs like this should be for a fair exchange of ideas and not a place to air your prejudices.

Um, Toronto IS big enough that you don't need to have held this like a block from the main train station and right in the financial core. There are ton's of more easily-secured sites in and around Toronto.

Also, a deeper read of that link re Japan makes it clear that $561 million was the security cost, and the remainder was infrastructure, facilities, exhibits, etc.

Expl;ain why it is that most people [here] are always so quick to assume that everyone who uses the CBC is Liberal? … Blogs like this should be for a fair exchange of ideas and not a place to air your prejudices.

Um, hating the CBC is pretty much an article of faith here. Also, the word is spelled Librano, or Lib'rul, and is usually paired with a derogatory noun. And, if you want a fair exchange of ideas… you might find scraps of it in Stephen's posts, but will NEVER find it here in the comments.

Thanks for coming out, and enjoy your stay.

…shooting them (in the process of committing crimes) is not called violence, it is called law enforcement.
Frankly I don't see a problem with that – caught in the act of committing a crime, one officer tells them to desist – if they don't, the communications go up to the top of the building, and the problem falls down in the street, advertising to one and all that they should be peaceful and listening.

Get help. That's not efficiency, that's sociopathy.

Does this mean you have to pry people's head apart with ideas?

Kathy, funny thing … you accuse others of making assumptions, yet you make quite a few of your own, don't you? Just because I quoted Paul Martin you assume I'm branding you a liberal. A mite touchy, aren't you?

• Depression?I'm sorry to hear you're going through one while the rest of the country is recovering from a recession. That's what comes from living in a self-imposed bubble, I guess.

• China? Ahem, the link I provided about a previous G8 was the one that took place in Japan, in July 7–9, 2008. China is not part of the G8, as far as I know.

• Montreal is used to rioting — it's become a sad tradition after some hockey games, be they winning or losing ones.

• Quebec City? They've already had a turn. I guess you forgot about the Summit of the Americas.

Oh, and Kenn2 “that $561 million was the security cost …” is true enough, which is what you focused on, but prior to that the link reads “Although a full accounting has not been announced, the estimated total budget was more than ¥60 billion [$1.12 billion]“
So, it appears $561 million was for security alone, while the remaining ¥30 billion (£283 million; $561 million) was for other expenses.

But you don't need to believe me or that link about the 2008 G8. Maybe if you and Kathy had followed the G8 & G20 summits on CPAC you might have heard quite a few NGOs & protesters presenting their POVs, as well as Queen's U Political Studies Professor Robert Wolfe confirming other countries do not make all their summit costs public, while our government has.

Suggest you get thee to a dictionary – to put the anarchists agenda and behavior over the rules and upholding of the law is sociopathy, not upholding the needs and order of the society. Pot, kettle, black. And when you have finished with the dictionary, then try out Martin's CCC – I believe its section 25 – specifically on the aspect of use of force when someone is in the process of committing a crime – but then I'm guessing that your knowledge of the law is as out of touch with reality as your knowledge of psychiatry. One of us indeed needs help – but it ain't me

First, glad you finally got a reply posted. That first draft…. man…

About twenty snipers on the tops of buildings, each with about fifty dollars worth of ammunition and the “Black Block” would have evaporated like a drop of acetone on a hot day. … shooting them (in the process of committing crimes) is not called violence, it is called law enforcement.

Frankly I don't see a problem with that – caught in the act of committing a crime, one officer tells them to desist – if they don't, the communications go up to the top of the building, and the problem falls down in the street

Sociopathy. Or a wet dream out of Soldier of Fortune magazine.

In Canada we don't shoot people for breaking windows. Hope that's clear.

Once more you post without knowledge or thought – (Tis; far better to be thought a fool, than to open one’s mouth and remove all doubt) Again, check out the dictionary and Martin’s. – and you’ll find out that cops (or the military if brought in) can indeed shoot people in Canada for rioting and in the commission of crimes, once they’ve been told to disperse. If wanting something made it true, I’d be a millionaire. Amd just because some idiot has been brought up to believe they can do anything they want and to hell with the law and the rest of society, doesn’t make it true. Peaceful protest is protected, violence is not. Deal with it.

Once more you post without knowledge or thought – (Tis; far better to be thought a fool, than to open one’s mouth and remove all doubt) Again, check out the dictionary and Martin’s. – and you’ll find out that cops (or the military if brought in) can indeed shoot people in Canada for rioting and in the commission of crimes, once they’ve been told to disperse. If wanting something made it true, I’d be a millionaire. Amd just because some idiot has been brought up to believe they can do anything they want and to hell with the law and the rest of society, doesn’t make it true. Peaceful protest is protected, violence is not. Deal with it.

Here, due to your obvious literacy problems, I've appended the relevant section; Rioting, by the way is a crime during which, one can be arrested without warrant;

(4) A peace officer, and every person lawfully assisting the peace officer, is justified in using force that is intended or is likely to cause death or grievous bodily harm to a person to be arrested, if
(a) the peace officer is proceeding lawfully to arrest, with or without warrant, the person to be arrested;
(b) the offence for which the person is to be arrested is one for which that person may be arrested without warrant;
(c) the person to be arrested takes flight to avoid arrest;
(d) the peace officer or other person using the force believes on reasonable grounds that the force is necessary for the purpose of protecting the peace officer, the person lawfully assisting the peace officer or any other person from imminent or future death or grievous bodily harm; and
(e) the flight cannot be prevented by reasonable means in a less violent manner.

You can now thank me for your education….

In Canada we don't shoot people for breaking windows. What part of this don't you get?

Your ignorance and hypocrisy are astounding. First of all, I know it’s petty, but could you use the correct words? It’s ‘have’ not ‘of’: “It would HAVE been a terrible thing if the dignitaries attending would HAVE been criticized.” And ‘you’re’ not ‘your’, as in “You’re kidding, right?” Small thing but it would at least make you appear to be less of an idiot.

“The Canadian Government isn’t interested in anyone’s opinion except their own” Ha ha. That’s supposed to be ironic, right? Because it’s obvious we could substitue the name ‘Kathy’ for ‘The Canadian Government’ and have a true statement.

“There were as many media people as there were rioters.” Duh. It’s a summit of the world leaders. Of course there’s going to be a lot of media. And I guess there just aren’t enough spoiled brat kids who can come out of their parent’s basement to tell the world how it should be run based on their reading of Karl Marx to outnumber the media.

Your ignorance and hypocrisy are astounding. First of all, I know it’s petty, but could you use the correct words? It’s ‘have’ not ‘of’: “It would HAVE been a terrible thing if the dignitaries attending would HAVE been criticized.” And ‘you’re’ not ‘your’, as in “You’re kidding, right?” Small thing but it would at least make you appear to be less of an idiot.

“The Canadian Government isn’t interested in anyone’s opinion except their own” Ha ha. That’s supposed to be ironic, right? Because it’s obvious we could substitue the name ‘Kathy’ for ‘The Canadian Government’ and have a true statement.

“There were as many media people as there were rioters.” Duh. It’s a summit of the world leaders. Of course there’s going to be a lot of media. And I guess there just aren’t enough spoiled brat kids who can come out of their parent’s basement to tell the world how it should be run based on their reading of Karl Marx to outnumber the media.

Well, predominately I guess, the part where you have unilaterally changed the Criminal Code of Canada to suit your own perception, while clearly lacking the ability to read. Second to that, is your obvious visual impairment, to go with your intellectual one, where all you managed to see was a broken window when they were rioting, burning Police cars and doing a variety of things which were illegal, but apparently missed your scrupulous attention. (And that takes some effort – hell, even CBC saw that!). Third of course, was your suggestion that those in charge of keeping the peace, in accordance with the above Criminal code of course, are sociopaths while the rioters are the good guys. So again – Tis' far better to be thought a fool, than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt. How are things at Hogwarts, anyway?

You got all that out of “In Canada we don't shoot people for breaking windows. ” ? Wow.

Thanks for pointing out some serious omissions. Please allow me to correct these:

In Canada we don't shoot people for breaking windows, rioting, burning Police cars and doing a variety of things which [are] illegal.

Of course, the police and military are permitted to use force as necessary. This fortunately doesn't extend to killing protesters just to satisfy some old crackpot's revenge fantasies.

Thanks for the opportunity to correct that.

Finally I must correct one misconception. You stated:

Third of course, was your suggestion that those in charge of keeping the peace, in accordance with the above Criminal code of course, are sociopaths

In no way have I suggested that the police are sociopathic, while the rioters are the good guys. For the record, I think the police in Canada are well-trained and skilled professionals, operating on a par with the best in the world.

You, on the other hand, are a nutbar.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4vf8N6GpdM

Geez, this is pretty good – I even quoted the section and still you think you have a point to make. Neither reason, nor literacy are your strong points, huh? You rather clearly stipulated that for the Police or military to shoot someone in the act of rioting, even though I gave you the section of the CCC which allowed (and if you want to get right down to it, require it in the event of rioting) was sociopathic, or at least if I thought to uphold our laws, I was.
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“This fortunately doesn't extend to killing protesters just to satisfy some old crackpot's revenge fantasies.”
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Protest is legal, rioting is not. I guess you have to have the intellectual cojones to understand the difference. But that at least does go to the orginal question doesn't it? That is precisely why we pay ridiculous costs for mediocre results and the wingnuts, both domestic and from abroad, come gleefully to these things to riot and cause as much damage as possible. Someone will eventually get killed as a gas tank explodes or something and I would much prefer its one of the rioters not some innocent bystander/protester. To think otherwise takes a certain perversity but you seem to wear it well. Moreover as some of the protesters hid, cheered on and hid the rioters, this slippery slope it becomes a tad blurry, timely action prevents further problems later.

But yup, its all us that know, use and at times enforce the criminal code that are nutbars, and the wingnuts like the Black bloc that are the great new hope of the future – frankly, I'll stand with the law abiding folks instead of the rioters, strange I know, but that's how us nutbars and sociopaths like it. I kinda like my Canada and for some reason I can't seem to find any sympathy around here for those who want to turn it into an anarchists dream where violence is the answer to everything. So to use your own words, Get help.

Sorry I didn't know you were hard of thinking. I'll type louder:

In no way have I suggested that the police are sociopathic, while the rioters are the good guys.

God, I love it when you lefty sycophants start spouting to some obtuse mantra as a reflex, then, when proven to be uninformed and uneducated, you switch to some semantical gimmick to avoid having to publically acknowledge just how out to lunch you really are. It's like being a Lieberal isn't it? Iggy is all for torture in some contexts but isn't really – Or Isreal is committing war crime but isn't really – You know you have an opinion, you're just waiting for someone in the media to give it to you in hopes that it can be supported by someone far wiser than yourselves.

So now you agree that the anarchists, rioters and bombers are really the bad guys, the cops are the good guys after all, indeed “well-trained and skilled professionals, operating on a par with the best in the world. ” and also have every right to use lethal force to stop rioting, etc. (which you so quaintly distill down to “breaking windows” – hell, that's all they did in Quebec this time too right? – after all, the bomb only took out some windows, no?) but anyone in the public who supports them in that task, and, by extention, clearly also the people who wrote those laws, is a “sociopath”, nutbar or fulfilling “some old crackpot's revenge fantasies”? Forget what I said about getting help – I don't think you can be saved… Wow! Just freakin, WOW!

Let's review:

I say something fairly short and straightforward… You go off on some tangent, accuse me of things I didn't say, you never actually address or refute what I said… I end up repeating what I said…and you accuse me of changing my tune…lather, rinse, repeat…

Can you actually take a moment – read what I wrote, and maybe address those points directly?

I do acknowledge that you're very creative in the way you try to turn me into some mythical leftist dragon, and give me all these evil superpowers and faults, then set about to deftly skewer this dragon, St George-style. I'm sure it's all very pleasant, but like other pleasant solitary activities, it's best done in private.

If you can't be bothered to actually respond to what I've written, instead of your imagination, then let's just be done with it.

Ahh, yet another dish of utter tripe – the sole reason you only re-posted the first half of my previous post, was that the second part took direct quotes – your very words, no less – and pointed out the stupidity of them when viewed in the context you raised. Lets' repeat that just for clarity, – your words – in your contexts. Including, the sociopath, nutbar, references, etc etc etc and the contexts that you used them. So before you post the next bit of sancitmonious and self righteous twaddle, perhaps you might want to check a few facts first – mind you, if eliminated your factless, sancitmonious and self righteous comments from the posts I've seen here, you would have a pretty sparse presence on this board wouldn't you?
Be done with it ? No problem, I'll accept your capitulation, I'd accept an apology too, but I've generally found that Lieberal supporters and lefties lack the integrity or moral fibre to give them – They take it on faith they have some mandatory right to be believed and when confronted with facts that prove them wrong – they just revert to rule one. Unthinking robots almost to a person. If a mind truly is a terrible thing to waste, the Lieberal party has a landfill of them somewhere…

Remind me – do you still think police should (or specifically, should have) shoot rioters?

Yes or no would be fine. Spare us the rest of the sermon.

Lol – I can't tell you how longs its been since I let someone else dictate my answer;
1. If- (a) the peace officer is proceeding lawfully to arrest, with or without warrant, the person to be arrested;
(b) the offence for which the person is to be arrested is one for which that person may be arrested without warrant;
(c) the person to be arrested takes flight to avoid arrest;
(d) the peace officer or other person using the force believes on reasonable grounds that the force is necessary for the purpose of protecting the peace officer, the person lawfully assisting the peace officer or any other person from imminent or future death or grievous bodily harm; and
(e) the flight cannot be prevented by reasonable means in a less violent manner:
Then I'm absolutely fine with him shooting a rioter, or a bomber, before he kills someone else. As to whether he “should” – I'd leave that up to the guys on the street – if someone was setting fire to a car full of gas in the middle of a bunch of peacefull protestors who might be killed, or setting a bomb “in protest” – and he let 'er rip, by all means I'd support that.

About twenty snipers on the tops of buildings, each with about fifty dollars worth of ammunition and the “Black Block” would have evaporated like a drop of acetone on a hot day. … shooting them (in the process of committing crimes) is not called violence, it is called law enforcement.

Frankly I don't see a problem with that – caught in the act of committing a crime, one officer tells them to desist – if they don't, the communications go up to the top of the building, and the problem falls down in the street

I'll take that as a yes. So much for due process…

Sweet Jesus, you aren't exactly the sharpest knife in the drawer, are you? “Due process” is what is done in accordance with the criminal code of Canada – you should read up on it sometime when giving others advice before showing yourself to be clueless – That Criminal code btw, the same one I quoted – twice now – is, to repeat, the due process of how law is defined, enforced, adjudicated and carried out in Canada – If you have problems with it (and may I remind you, you claimed not to “Of course, the police and military are permitted to use force as necessary. ” (those are your words btw) then take it up with the lawmakers. You'll note, if you do ever read it, that Rioters and bombers don't get special protection while rioting and causing danger to the public – even if you want it to be so… I mean…Wow!

Glad we cleared this up.

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