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Quebec-style student strike to come to Ontario?

The entitled madness may be building in Canada.

Members of the Canadian Federation of Students are petitioning the organization to call an Ontario-wide strike vote this fall in order to show solidarity with the students in Quebec. Here is their letter,

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  • Anonymous

    Now I wonder how any of those wasted last sumer wallowing in dirt at the occupy protests?

  • http://twitter.com/Rose215 Rose215

    A lot of union types — and did you notice all of the signees from York?  What’s wrong with that place, anyway? 

  • DougM

     www.marxist.ca

    Clearly a good bunch.  Eventually, they will get us into another world war.  The old Comintern never did die.  It just had to change its tactics one the East bloc and then the USSR fell and they were so discredited –  Speak to those people who acutally lived under those nice socialist people and you’ll fill the army in just a few days.

    “Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of
    ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal
    sharing of misery.”
                                                          Winston Churchill

    Why is it that there is no Capitalist “fightback”?   Too busy actually doing stuff?  Getting Degrees, working for tuition and costs etc?

  • Anonymous

    i am all for having students pay the total cost of their university education. maybe if they had to they might actually learn something. if they riot lock them up.

  • Liz J

     It’s a hotbed of socialism perhaps?

  • Gabby in QC

    Given the number of “Fightback” members listed in that letter, I’d say this movement should be taken seriously.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Marxist_Tendency/Tendance_Marxiste_Internationale_(Canada)
    “The International Marxist Tendency/Tendance Marxiste Internationale (Canada) is the Canadian section of the International Marxist Tendency, a global Trotskyist organisation. The IMT/TMI is an entrist group in the New Democratic Party of Canada and its provincial wings. In Quebec, where the NDP is not active provincially, the Tendance Marxiste Internatioanl is a recognised collective of Québec solidaire. In English Canada the tendency is organized around the journal Fightback; in Quebec, the organization publishes and sells the French language magazine La Riposte.

    They follow in the organizational tradition Ted Grant, founder of the Militant tendency in Britain which did entryist work inside the British Labour Party in the 1970s and 80s. …”

  • MAGGIE

    NOTHING IS FREE – GROW UP!

  • MAGGIE

    NOTHING IS FREE – GROW UP!

  • Gerry from GTA

    One just needs to read the Mitrokhin Archives to understand how these groups are funded and the funding is back on since Putin came to power the first time.

  • Gerry from GTA

    One just needs to read the Mitrokhin Archives to understand how these groups are funded and the funding is back on since Putin came to power the first time.

  • Brooks

    I recommend that future strikers DO NOT PAY TUITION before striking. You could even continue going to class. Try to enlist the support of some of your professors and perhaps their unions. If there is a widespread movement where students don’t pay their tuition in protest, I think that will be an effective strike to have your demands heard. 

    In solidarity, from Montreal.

  • Brooks

    I recommend that future strikers DO NOT PAY TUITION before striking. You could even continue going to class. Try to enlist the support of some of your professors and perhaps their unions. If there is a widespread movement where students don’t pay their tuition in protest, I think that will be an effective strike to have your demands heard. 

    In solidarity, from Montreal.

  • Cynthia

    Time Charest brought in the Vandoos…  if it happens in Ontario McGuinty won’t have the guts to stand up to them.

  • Cynthia

    Time Charest brought in the Vandoos…  if it happens in Ontario McGuinty won’t have the guts to stand up to them.

  • Gabby in QC

    What would you do in the current situation for students who have paid for their courses but have been prevented from continuing with their studies by marauding bands of students?

    Since you’re giving advice, I’ll follow your example and give my own unsolicited advice to the Charest government:
    • Dock the salary of teachers, lecturers, and professors who joined the student demonstrations and who did not teach students who wanted to attend their courses.
    • Alumni/ae of the universities should stop donating to their alma mater.
    • Anyone caught destroying public or private property should be charged and made to pay for the damages.
    • Any student caught destroying university property should be expelled from said university and banned from ever being allowed back into that university.
    • Any foreign or exchange student caught engaging in violent acts should face immediate expulsion from the country, with no appeal.

  • Louis Chartrand

    With the name-calling you make, I guess you’re not really in the rational realm, but I’ll venture an answer anyways.
    University grads are the biggest contributers to state revenue. Funding grads means more students from lower classes and better learning, which translates into huge returns in taxes. In Qc, return on public investment is 10-40 times the initial spending, making for a rate of 8-11%. A very sound investment.

  • Jordan LK

    right on, thank you for this petition. free/cheap higher education is a right that will make our country a better place, help reduce social boundaries and income gaps.
    One of the greatest things about Canada is universal access to health care, education should be the same. Do we want rich people in our schools, or people who study hard and want to be there?
    Anyone who complains québec has the cheapest tuition in canada = this is the case because of movements such as this. If we let one hike go by, there will be another. Why would we want to go down a slippery slope until we are like the US, spending 20k a year for basic arts degree.

  • Hugolin

    Allez les amis ontariens! You have to shake yourselves out of your hipster/cool mindset, which is a political and societal vacuum, and rediscover the power of collective action to save and create the Canada you love!

  • Gabby in QC

    Some information on Quebec education funding …
    This is what the government proposed, student leaders apparently first agreed to and then turned down:http://www.droitsdescolarite.com/en/index.php  
    The other measures announced in April 2012 are additional to the agreement in principle.
    • Tuition increase to be spread over 7 years; The annual increase will drop from $325 to $254 (in French)
    • An additional $39 M will be made available to 44,000 students as bursaries (in French)
    • Improvements made to financial assistance, as announced on April 5, 2012 (in French)
    • Assessment of the impact of the increase to be made by the Advisory Committee on the Financial Accessibility of Education (in French)
    • Illustration of the financial assistance granted to an undergraduate university student, in accordance with parental income (in French)
    • Illustration of financial assistance granted to an undergraduate university student, in accordance with parental income – expected parental contribution threshold of $45,000 beginning with award year 2016-2017 (in French)

  • Frank Testadicazzo

    You children are immature spoiled brats.  Socialism works until you run out of other people’s MONEY !

  • Maria A.

    The interesting point is that after these ‘students’ graduate they will not accept any job that pays less than $100,000 (not very marxist when the shoe is on the other foot).  Then they end up in a 50% tax bracket therefore forcing them to leave Quebec and contribute to another society that did not subsidize their education! Not to mention that the future generation will eventually have to pick up the cost of their parents’ education. 

  • Kamizushi Akinari

    The Germans whose education is free would disagree with you. There are many forms of socialism, some don’t work and some do. Just saying that socialism doesn’t work doesn’t actually holds any baring on reality.

  • Kamizushi Akinari

    How much do you pay for your air bill?

  • Kamizushi Akinari

    You realize that with perhaps the exception of a few medical students, all these students will graduate long before the hike takes full effect. They don’t protest because they are egoist. They actually protest because they think keeping education inexpensive is healthy and fear and they are damn right. With all those baby boomers retiring, Statistic Canada predicts a persistent and worsening penury of skilled workers for the next 40 years while unskilled workers will always be in excess. We sure as hell can’t afford a tuition hike to deter thousands of youngsters from attending university and making it free would be a cheap(yes cheap) and efficient way to encourage them even more.

  • Kamizushi Akinari

    Do you have any data backing your claims? I think not.

  • Genevieve

    thank you

  • Genevieve

    I just want to thank you for your support!

  • http://profiles.google.com/patsplace1 Pat Patrick

    Great new site Stephen,
    Much easier to navigate in.

    The Quebec matter. Threatening students in class, man handling female students, spray painting slogans on the walls, screaming Scab at people that choose to be in class (reportedly 70% want to be in class) so that mob rule takes precedent. I feel that this is going to come to a very bad end and the unions will be destroyed in the process. And that’s probably a good thing judging by the recent actions of some of their members.

  • Anthonykovic

    Don’t feel like paying for your own education?
    Neither do I.

    Fed-up taxpayer in Montreal.

  • Anonymous

    The student protest is a rude reminder that for the first time in several generations, many things are getting worse, not better. Most Canadians have seen their wages stagnate or decrease. Our reward for working hard, and taking better care of ourselves? Increased retirement age.

    Once, low-cost or free education for all was considered a national goal, but in the last several years tuition has rocketed up. Money is once again a barrier to post-secondary education, and more students will graduate with debt, while searching for their start within a shrinking pool of decent entry-level jobs.

    The students are reminding us that instead of continuing to build and invest in our country, we bet the farms (and factories and R&D and the middle class) on the smoke and mirrors of the financial industry and cheap stuff made in totalitarian regimes.

    I hope the protest continues til this country once again realizes that education is a better investment  than oil subsidies.

  • Fed-up-as-you-may-be

     You know, most students on strike won’t even actually taste the full price of this tuition hike. They just don’t believe in this whole proposition. As for other comments, it’s always nice to contemplate the brewing contempt for collective initiatives. There’s a whole spectrum of ideas in this movement, and being against neo-liberalism irrational promethean love of free market doesnt make you a communist. If you see a contradiction there – anticipating the whining of students when they will be taxpayers – remember who’ll pay for a tremendous amount of retired people then…

    If you like it in the rat race for speculative gains, race on. Don’t insult others with the usual mainstream media crap.

  • Gabby in QC

    Some interesting facts about tuition in other countries…
    Tuition is not as “free” in other countries as some would have us believe. Even in countries where tuition is not free, increases have been reasonable.http://higheredstrategy.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/YIR2012.pdf Page 4 Economic, Political and Social Context of Higher Education in 2011“Across the OECD as a whole, government support for education only barely kept up with inflation in 2011 and the outlook for 2012 looks bleak given the debt crisis in the Eurozone. This means that higher education systems will come under greater pressure to extract revenue from students. … … Across the 37 G-40 countries for which data is available (precise tuition fee data is missing for India, Indonesia and Mexico), tuition fees increased in 18 countries; however, in only eight countries did the increase outpace inflation.” Page 7 Table 1: Tuition Fee Policies in the G-40 Countries, 2011Countries with no tuition fees are in the minority, 8 out of 40.Germany, though listed under the “no tuition” category, actually does charge tuition fees in some Länder (similar to our provinces):Note• page 7: “Tuition policy varies by Länder. Six charge no fees at all. Five charge fees only to Master’s students and undergraduates who have exceeded the regular study period. Five charge relatively light fees (under 1000 Euro/year) to undergraduates.”Finally, citing other countries as examples to be followed because they offer “free tuition”, without explaining what conditions determine a prospective student’s eligibility for admission to university in said countries is also misleading. 

  • http://www.stephentaylor.ca Stephen Taylor

    Thank goodness the government provides us air free of charge.

  • http://www.stephentaylor.ca Stephen Taylor

    only one PM has put soldiers in our streets, and it was in Quebec. That was Trudeau.

  • http://www.stephentaylor.ca Stephen Taylor

    likely many of the same faces in this crowd this summer.

  • http://www.stephentaylor.ca Stephen Taylor

    Graduates that take useful degrees are the biggest taxpayers. Guess which majors are in the streets protesting? Which ones aren’t participating?

  • Gabby in QC

    Some interesting facts about how much Canadian households spend on education …

    http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/81-599-x/81-599-x2011007-eng.htm 
    “Table 1 A brief outline of three surveys that provide data for Indicator B2: Public and private expenditures on education

    Expenditures per household
    … Although the SHS [Survey of Household Spending] was not designed to collect information specifically on education expenses (see Table 1), it does ask respondents to report household expenditures on education. In 2009, about one-third of households (33%) reported such expenditures, and 17% said they had incurred costs for postsecondary tuition (Table B.2.7). At the Canada level, the average expenditure on postsecondary tuition for these households was $4,674 (Table 2). This average for total household—not individual—spending on postsecondary tuition (fees for university, trade and professional courses), represented close to 5% of total average household expenditures among those Canadian households that reported such expenses.3 …”

    http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/81-599-x/2011007/tbl/tbl2-eng.htm 
    “Table 2 
Household expenditures, all households and those reporting expenditures for postsecondary tuition1, Canada and provinces, 2009”
    Note Quebec households spend the least, percentage-wise — 2.4%

  • Gabby in QC
  • Gabby in QC

    Sorry! I guess I omitted some formatting thingy.

  • Gabby in QC

    Thank you, moderator!

    Maybe a “preview” or “edit” function would help people like me.

  • Liz J

    University students “protesting” tuition is one thing but wearing balaclava type face covering takes them to a level beneath anything desirable for those who are deemed to be our future. They’re presenting as common thugs. 

  • http://www.stephentaylor.ca Stephen Taylor

    If you login to DISQUS, you can edit your comments.

  • Anonymous

     There’s more to higher education than just scoring a fat salary.

  • Anonymous

    “Well, now you said the samething thrice.”
    Actually, I said nothing at all. Had you taken the trouble to click on the link I provided, you would have seen that I simply copied & pasted the information from that website, announcing it as the government’s offers. I left it up to discerning readers to make up their own mind.

  • Anonymous

    Okey-dokey. I’ll try it.

  • Anonymous

    The interesting point is that after these ‘students’ graduate they will not accept any job that pays less than $100,000

    This, of course, is BS.

    Education is a net benefit to any country. The public K12 education system is ample proof of that. It’s not that big a stretch to see that a low-fee higher education system is also beneficial in the long-run.

    …Except if you are happy with just a low-wage semiskilled workforce. Many people and companies are, of course… the same group who are the only ones to benefit from a low-wage, low-tax, corporation-friendly regime.

    The vast majority of Canadians pay tax, Maria. If we find ourselves short of tax money… don’t blame the little people, or hack away at the gains we’ve made as a country. Look further up the ladder.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_AHRTA2NIIZB4XTA6WNYRHM2HCI PeterClarke

    Yes tuition is rising and it shall continue as nothing is free. Tuition has increased by 27% since 2005 in Ontario and contrary to popular student belief, government funding per student has been increased steadily.
    70% per cent of all new spending went “largely for existing full-time academic faculty and administrators, salaries and pensions, “as per the Ontario University Student Alliance.
    That’s right all you anonymous student posters. Tuition is rising principally because professors keep getting more expensive and demanding higher salaries, pensions, benefits and all with NOT a whimper from students.
    ·         If there is evidence and proof that public and private sector unions or student unions are providing funds or assisting these illegal and lawless action by protesters then upon conviction such organizations should be held financially responsible for all costs including policing, courts, and further pay the costs of all damages including the restorations and clean up bills. 

    Further the parents of those arrested for violations of the bylaws pertaining to demonstrations must be held equally responsible once their offspring’s are convicted in the courts.

    For those convicted individuals who do not pay the fines or claim that they do not have the money should be required by the law to spend 3 years minimum  to 6 years maximum in the peace corps of the Canadian Forces.    

  • Anonymous

    It’s hard to argue against general feel-good statements like “education benefits all of society”. But what those who put that notion forward forget is the corollary: education also greatly benefits the one who receives it, the educand, the one who puts it to use, be it for him/herself, for society or for both. 

    It is thus only fair that both society at large and educands invest in their own education. How? By paying at least part of their own way. The entire responsibility should not rest on the shoulders of governments, i.e. taxpayers.

    Parents should shoulder their responsibility by putting money aside towards their children’s education. Instead of “investing” in ten more Beanie Babies hoping they will become collectors’ items on the Antiques Road Show, maybe they could put some money into an RESP from the time their child is born.

    Prospective students should shoulder their own responsibility by earning money to put towards their own education and make some lifestyle choices. Some people complete their degrees while working at a full-time job, sometimes carrying three evening courses. Is that now considered depassé?

  • Anonymous

    hickory shampoo all around, followed by expulsions. 

  • DougM

     Garbage.  Of course they protest because of ego.  They believe they have the right to have someone else pay for the education they want in order to make life easier for them.  And, as many already have admitted “this isn’t about high tuition” its simply a temper tantrum about not getting the entire world handed to them on a platter.   And given that roughly 66% of the students remain in class, (when not beng bullied and intimidated) the protestors are not even close to being in the majority – probably due to the fact that when 87% of their education is already paid for by others, it IS inexpensive.   What these students are proving is a lesson Canada needs to learn – that there is a massive difference between education and intellect.   The students want the former free because as they are proving, its certain they have none of the latter.   That is why, as has already been reported, the huge majority of the protesters are not the engineering or medical or law students, but the Arts and humanities ones.  Kenn2 points out that there is more to education than scoring a fat salary – no problem.  But when you are getting an education as a luxury or for its own sake, which brings little to the table in the real world, you should be paying for it without asking your neighbours to do it for you – and that, in reality is where the government gets its taxes – from your neighbours.