I can only imagine what Pearson would think of Harper’s accomplishments during the same amount of time served in office.
From Wikipedia -
“During Pearson’s time as Prime Minister (1963-68), his minority government introduced universal health care, student loans, the Canada Pension Plan, the Order of Canada, and the current Canadian flag. During his tenure, Prime Minister Pearson also convened the Royal Commission on Bilingualism and Biculturalism.”
And that doesn’t mention what Pearson did before he served as Prime Minister – besides winning the Nobel Peace Prize in 1957, he was a pilot in WWI, a history scholar, a sportsman and an international diplomat during WWII.
There’s a reason Pearson is still spoken of with respect.

Dubious distinctions for Lester B. Pearson, aside from the fact that he was a LIBERAL PM: the Order of Canada, the current Canadian flag, a universal health care system and pension plan that is unsustainable for future generations — and, possibly, for my Boomer generation.

It’s all very well to have “introduced” social programs that could be sustained but to introduce programs that have bankrupted the country, and generations to come which will never enjoy benefits they’re forced to pay for, can hardly be seen as a accomplishments to be proud of. His Liberal$ have known for years that pensions and health care costs were rising and were not commensurate with the government’s ability to sustain them but did nothing. Their overwhelming concern was to be re-elected.

Other “accomplishments” of Lester B. Pearson’s party, probably put in motion when he was PM, are official bilingualism and multiculturalism. Look what they’ve brought Canadians: nothing but divisiveness and acrimony, not to mention gazillion$ in taxpayers’ dollars, where only a few benefit, not the many.

Great legacy.

http://www.stephentaylor.ca/2011/01/harper-government-accomplishments-official/ for what Prime Minister Stephen Harper has accomplished in a much more difficult — in fact, brutal — political climate with a hostile media yapping constantly at his heels.

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Gary Sinese’s speech at the Ronald Reagan Presidential Foundation and Library in Simi Valley, California, on President Reagan’s 100th birthday celebration:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/02/06/gary_sinise_win_one_for_the_gipper_.html

More remarks by Conrad Black and Dick Cheney over at Dr. Roy’s Thoughts:

http://torydrroy.blogspot.com/

Meantime , Pearson gave us the CPP, Healthcare, new flag and also a Nobel Peace Prize. What has Harper Done?

Can you read? Check out the link I provided.

Healthcare can barely be sustained, CPP’s just about broke and my children and grandchildren will be paying for Boomers’ pensions, not being able to afford it for their families. The Canadian flag looks like a beer label — all in Liberal colours, of course — and the Nobel Peace Prize? What a joke that is. Look who they’ve been giving it to. It’s lost any gravitas it ever had — and, of course, Pearson would get it. He was one of the good ol’ boys.

Cari, do your homework and quit repeating what I already know.

And how much did all those pearson programs cost and are still costing taxpayers. The order of canada has become a joke with some of the winners. Bilingualism has done more to divide than unite.
His successor as leader of the liberals think our flag is a beer label. I wonder if he ever dreamed his health care (forced by the ccf) would cover sex changes for criminals in jail. If you lived thru those years you will know that the only reason he remained PM was with the blackmail by the ccf, put in these programs or we will defeat you. Layton still dreams of those days of being the boss, but PMSH wont play like Paul Martin did.

Ha! If you were in Heaven, and someone told you it was run by Liberals, you’d complain that the sunshine makes you squint and your wings itch.

You have no clue just how good we Canadians have it here, and where those things came from. (Hint – progressives. )

Bilingualism has done more to divide than unite.

A myth, spread by tiny minds.

Ack. That picture of Dear Leader (Stephen) beside The Great Confabulator (Ronald) made throw up in my mouth a little.

BTW, Just cos a dead guy turns 100 is no reason to forget all the crap he sowed. Howzat trickle-down economy working, huh?

Healthcare can barely be sustained, CPP’s just about broke and my children and grandchildren will be paying for Boomers’ pensions, not being able to afford it for their families.

But, hey – corporate tax cuts? bring it! A $1.2b shindig to impress the neighbours? no problemo. Buy over-priced fighter jets to help out a neighbour (who cut back their own order, cos it costs too much)? … whatever. More prisons, in the face of declining crime? Why not?

Oh wait….

More remarks [on Reagan] by Conrad Black and Dick Cheney

(mmm. ringing endorsements from a convicted kleptocrat and a war profiteer)

Just wondering if Ken2 has a job, is self-employed or works for one of those awful corporations. Wonder if he buys utilities, groceries, gas, vehicle repairs, newspapers, magazines, has a pet, uses a vet, druggist, doctor, every sends flowers, candy, buys clothes, just in case he does, those are all corporations you are supporting. There are over 400,000 corporations in Ontario alone, and they are not all banks and oil companies. They employ thousands of people. Liberals want to cause many of those workers to lose there jobs, how does that help families.

Just wondering if Ken2 has checked the records of liberals and adscam when he refers to kleptomaniac. JC and crooks did not do this theft because they were kleptos, they planned it.
But, on second thought, maybe liberals are kleptos, they want to get back at the trough to do it again. How about those leadership debts, is that what thy want those corporate taxes for, to pay them off.
Considering the libs are planning to bring back their promises made and broken in the last century, what is wrong with honoring someon a century old.

This is called “redirection”, right?

what is wrong with honoring someon a century old.

An interesting thought indeed, in the midst of all this sh!tting on Pearson.

To buy that argument, you need to believe that corporations couldn’t make a go of it in Canada when taxes weren’t” cut”, or that there aren’t any better reasons than low taxes for a corporation to set up and do business in Canada.

Like maybe the fact that single-payer healthcare and availability of CPP gives Canada a very mobile, adaptable workforce that aren’t locked to specific jobs because of the uncertainty of pension or healthcare. Or having a better-educated workforce.

Corporate tax cuts are simply part of the CPC catechism. Adhering to this dogma, in the face of a deficit, is simply tugging their forelock to their corporate masters.

When re-elected, PMSH will again land in the history books,
as the ONLY Conservative PM to govern thru an economic downtrun and be re-elected.

“You have no clue just how good we Canadians have it here, and where those things came from…”

EXCUSE ME? I suspect I’ve been alive in Canada a lot longer than you and I know perfectly well how good we have it here in Canada — especially having lived in a Caribbean country for a few years. However, it’s certainly not the LPC that’s provided all of the good things Canadians enjoy.

Some of the people responsible are my own ancestors, who arrived in Canada in the late 1700s and were very involved in the founding of democracy in this country — they were definitely not “L/liberals” — and my father and grandfathers who fought in WWI and WWII for the freedoms Canadians enjoy .

Please don’t suggest that it’s Lester B. Pearson and his LPC that have given Canadians their good life. They’ve darned near bankrupted not only our coffers but our moral and ethical capital as well Your defense of the Liberal$ is laughable — and lamentable. I’d be embarrassed if I were you.

Fortunately, I’m not..

How is it that the canadian national msm across this nation can only do everything in their power to help liberals do as they please to get nowhere and yet the PM without a media at all to help him has managed beyond belief, to take our nation through rough waters to calm.

The msm is the problem canadian face each day. the respect they have for canada is not seen nor heard yet.

When the prime minister gave a speech at the S. Korean assembly for the first time in canadian history, the msm felt that canadians particularly the S.Koreans were not going to hear of it.
Everytime the PM gives a speech or has something to say, the media aires him for a few secs then they cut him off.
When OBAMA gives a ‘state of the union address’ to his countrymen, the canadian msm runs the live feed without interruption and not only that, all of canada get to hear Obama but with the PM only a selective areas in Canada are ‘ALLOWED’ to hear the PM.

Believe me the msm stink.

Oh please. I recognize your ideological ancestors – the ones who felt that only landowners should have the vote, that it was OK for one man to own another, that women didn’t need the vote, that it was OK for the poor to starve, or die untreated. They show up anytime we’re experiencing upheaval, or are on the cusp of a positive change.

Please don’t suggest that it’s Lester B. Pearson and his LPC that have given Canadians their good life.

Your blue-tinted spectacles must have made “progressive” read as “Liberal”. It’s a common error around here. -sigh- I remember when even the conservatives were progressive, at one time.

and be re-elected. …for yet another minority. Gotta wonder about a guy who can’t even snatch a majority with the Liberals in perpetual disarray.

Oh sorry Jen, it’s all the fault of the msm. Just wondering, with Global (founded by the Aspers), Globe & Mail (centrist), National Post, the SUNs and all the other QMI papers, and soon, Faux News North… just how many right-wing outlets must we add before you’ll consider the media to be balanced?

Was wondering what the smell was, I see Number 2 has had a run through doing his duty.

My ancestors neither thought nor did one thing you’ve attributed to them. Your audacity takes my breath away. Like most left-libbers, you take great liberties in assuming the thoughts/positions of those with whom you disagree — and whom you don’t even know. Your illiberal accusations smack of entitlement, not to mention utter ignorance.

I did not attribute “Liberal” to “progressive” or vice versa. The topic here is Prime Minister Stephen Harper’s having served as Canada’s PM longer than Lester B. Pearson. I was responding to a comment you had just made: “If you were in Heaven, and someone told you it was run by Liberals [my emphasis but your words], you’d complain that the sunshine makes you squint and your wings itch.”

Uh uh, kenn2. The fact is, the Liberal$ have done very little to make Canada a better place for all Canadians. Their schtick has been to milk every entitlement going for their benefit and the benefit of their friends and cronies in the media, in the “Green” movement (Suzuki, Mo Strong, et al.), and in big business (Chretien, Martin, Power Corporation, anyone?) Their scandals have been real, unlike the trumped up ones attributed to the CPC, and I’m one Canadian who gags when someone like you insists that their “progressive” agenda and the furbelows they’ve bequeathed us, like the Canadian flag, will put them down in history as one Helluva Good Party.

As for your definition of “progressive”: You’ve obviously drunk the public education Kool-Aid on offer in every school and institution of higher learning (sic) in Canada.

… with the Liberals in disarray and the Bloc taking up 5o seats in the HOC. Political commentators on both sides of the political spectrum say that with the makeup of the HOC, with the CPC, LPC, NDP, the Bloc Quebecois, and the Green Party, it’s unlikely there will be any majority government for a very long time.

‘Looks like minority governments of all stripes are likely in Canada for some time. Given that, the minority CPC government, under the able leadership of Prime Minister Harper, is ticking along quite nicely, thank you, and represents a rare measure of success in these fickle and volatile times.

I wonder what he’s getting paid, Lix — and by whom?

Whoops, slipping fingers: Liz!

My ancestors neither thought nor did one thing you’ve attributed to them.

Sorry, I didn’t say anything about your real ancestors. It was a rhetorical flourish, meant to convey that you cannot see forward from where we are now, though all those past PROGRESSIVE advances seem ok to you now. Too subtle a point I guess.

Like most left-libbers, you take great liberties in assuming the thoughts/positions of those with whom you disagree — and whom you don’t even know. Your illiberal accusations smack of entitlement, not to mention utter ignorance.

I know enough about you, after a couple of years. You on the other hand, either honestly or not, continue to cling to your straw-men.

As for your definition of “progressive”: You’ve obviously drunk the public education Kool-Aid on offer in every school and institution of higher learning (sic) in Canada.

The MSM is left-biased. Every school and institution of higher learning in Canada is poisoning our minds. Paranoid much?

I wish. (But thanks for the compliment)

Actually, I don’t wish. Rebutting the inanity here is not exactly taxing, so it wouldn’t pay much.

And those tax cuts were started by Paul Martin, just like the jet deal was started by liberals, years ago.
I guess when Dion said in the HofC that liberals vote to support budgets etc, because they will cancel them all when they get back in power. Guess he was talking about liberals cancelling all the programs liberals had put in place, not conservative platforms.
And why would anyone believe libs would keep any promise they made, over and over, with majority govts, if they got in again.

We’re talking about further corporate tax cuts NOW, in the face of a growing deficit… not what another government did over 6 years ago, in a booming economy.

PS the the initial fighter jet involvement was a $100m contribution in 1997 to participate in development of the new JSF fighter, not a binding commitment to purchase. Were the Liberals of 1997 supposed to know in advance that the JSF fighter program would be plagued with cost overruns and performance/strategic concerns? Should they also have known that the deregulated business environment would cause a massive recession in 2008, that we have not yet fully recovered from?

Are you still hot to purchase these planes, even when the US government themselves have cut back on the number they’ll actually buy themselves?

Sorry if this harshes your mellow.

We’re talking about further corporate tax cuts NOW, in the face of a growing deficit… not what another government did over 6 years ago, in a booming economy.

PS the the initial fighter jet involvement was a $100m contribution in 1997 to participate in development of the new JSF fighter, not a binding commitment to purchase. Were the Liberals of 1997 supposed to know in advance that the JSF fighter program would be plagued with cost overruns and performance/strategic concerns? Should they also have known that the deregulated business environment would cause a massive recession in 2008, that we have not yet fully recovered from?

Are you still hot to purchase these planes, even when the US government themselves have cut back on the number they’ll actually buy themselves?

Sorry if this harshes your mellow.

The tax cuts that took place Jan 1, 2011 were in a budget passed in 2007. And yes, corporations could and would make a go of it without the cuts, by raising the cost of all their services, and laying off workers. And remember, those workers also pay taxes when working. I bet there are no corporate tax cuts in the coming budget.
Corporation will always protect their bottom line. These tax cuts are an attempt to keep them registered in Canada. They are not all like Paul Martin’s steamship line, registered in an off shore country to avoid Canadian taxes. Gee, I wonder who the finance minister was that allowed all those loop holes.

The tax cuts that took place Jan 1, 2011 were in a budget passed in 2007. And yes, corporations could and would make a go of it without the cuts, by raising the cost of all their services, and laying off workers. And remember, those workers also pay taxes when working. I bet there are no corporate tax cuts in the coming budget.
Corporation will always protect their bottom line. These tax cuts are an attempt to keep them registered in Canada. They are not all like Paul Martin’s steamship line, registered in an off shore country to avoid Canadian taxes. Gee, I wonder who the finance minister was that allowed all those loop holes.

Again, should the government of 2007 known about the fiscal situation of 2011? This is about what happens NOW, no time-machines required.

I have no problem co-operating with business to keep them healthy. Have you seen the TSX index? Up about 50% since 2009. About 18% growth in 2010. Within 5% of the pre-crash TSX peak in 2008.

(Your homework – look up the Dow-Jones indices for the same period. Here’s a start.)

I don’t know what media enters your household, but the biased msm that crosses our threshold is reporting that employment is up, companies are expanding again, and consumer confidence is returning.

So… business needs a tax cut RIGHT NOW to survive? Really?

You can be forgiven for not knowing that it is an an accepted worldwide practice to register commercial fleets under flags of convenience. Puts all fleets on the same tax footing, and is a nice income boost to some small ailing countries. It’s how the global economy works. Or do you still think that everything you buy is made in Canada?

(Kind of embarrassing that this progressive is schooling a conservative on business)

What he hasn’t done is push national social programs on us, that we can’t afford and most of us don’t want or need.

Why are you concerned about money or purchases that wont take place for several years, and maintenance costs will be spread over many more years. Liberals are trying to make us believe that will all be spent at one time. Talk about not telling the truth.

Have you followed Scott Bisson, and his demand to know what corporate profits will be for each of the next five years. How can anyone predict that figure. Maybe libs want to know how much taxes they could take for another adscam, or perhaps pay the leadership debts, or heaven forbid, repay the millions they stole from taxpayers.

Didn’t the PM say it was a good time to invest, and didn’t liberals and media laugh at him.

was it a worldwide accepted practice to allow billions to be taken out of canada with no penalty, aka brofman, under a liberal govt.

Absolutely loving this – a conservative telling me it’s OK to spend future dollars and not worry about it.

Mind if I print and frame it?

Ahhh Kenny, at it again are you? Anyone who doesn’t agree with the Liberal mantra is a “tiny mind?” You’ve got to get out of Toronto more, Western alienation is not a myth, believe me. The Liberals have needed bilingualism because, like Liberal Senator Keith Davey used to say “Screw the West, we’ll take the rest!” Liberals conciously made the decision to screw the majority of the country in order to cling to power by raising a *their* minority to ruling status – we shouldn’t give them too much credit however – it was precisely the same tactic used by the old Boer’s to gain control of South Africa and institute Aparthied. Except they used Africaans of course. Like the Quiet Revolution, the west is beginning to exert its strength. Democracy and principle will come and bilingualism will be its raison d etre.

Dr. Jim Pankiw, Canadian Alliance MP for Saskatoon-Humboldt, stood up in the house of commons on April 6th, 2001 and asked the liberal government the following questions,

Question: “Mr. Speaker, Treasury Board statistics confirm that for every increase in the number of federal public service jobs designated bilingual, there is a corresponding decrease in the participation rate of Anglophones in the public service. I should like to know what steps the government is prepared to take to end the systematic discrimination against English speaking Canadians with respect to hiring and promotions”.

Response: “Mr. Speaker, this is probably the most insulting question I have ever heard in the House of Commons” Don Boudria, Liberal house leader.

Question # 2 “Mr. Speaker, the Liberal government’s application of forced bilingualism is costly, discriminatory and a source of national divisiveness and disunity. Not withstanding, I ask the Justice Minister why she intervenes on behalf of Ontario Francophones but does not request intervener status to protect Anglophones in Québec. She is prepared to defend the interests of French speaking people in Ontario but she is not prepared to defend the rights of English speaking people in Québec. Why the double standard?”

Response: No answer of course…

Kenny boy, the Asper’s are well known (Federal) Liberal supporters. The Globe is a Toronto paper which caters to Toronto – the last bastion of the Lieberals. Ditto the CBC so we already have Fox News North we just call it the mother corp to distinguish it from Fox News south – propaganda and stupidity after all are equally insulting whether its left or right wing propaganda. Beleive it or not, with the exception of some of its columnists (Jonathan Kay?) the NP is pretty centrist – but the SUNs I’ll grant tend to the right. Jen’s post above is right on the money – CBC braodcasts everything Obama says and almost nothing Harper says yet anything that is reported gets immediately switched to some Oppositon member giving us the one true way…

Hi Doug,

Thanks for the history lesson. 2001 is long enough ago that I do indeed forget stuff from back then.

Back to the present… paradoxically the federal “separatist” party is doing more than any other party at holding Canada’s two “solitudes” together. The Liberals have been rejected, and the CPC won’t lift a finger there, cos it would p1ss off the Westerners. Actual separatist sentiment and English/French tension in Quebec is at an all-time low.

Yet the CPC still feels the need to kick the bilingual hive, and tease out any latent Western resentment, to eke out every last vote from the fringes.

Meanwhile, my nephew, the product of an Anglophone father and an Acadian mother, has grown up with the best of both languages and cultures, and he’s currently got the world by the tail.

Separatists holding the French in, the governing party picking at the national fabric to keep some wedge issues alive. It’s a funny old world.

Asper senior was fairly right-leaning, and it speaks volumes about the canadian Conservative’s ongoing failure to expand out from their WASP base that Mr Asper was more comfortable with the Liberal party.

The Globe was no friend to the Chretien government. Only right-wingers could see the National Post as centrist. The SUNs, QM, of course. MacLeans has taken a sharp right turn.

So… same question to you … just how many right-wing news outlets must we add before you’ll consider the media to be balanced?

The answer, of course, is irrelevent. “msm bias” is a conservative catechism, and has little bearing on the actual media landscape.

I’ll only begin to consider that the Canadian MSM is “balanced” when the CBC is privatized and Canadian taxpayers are no longer contributing over $1-billion/year to its upkeep.

Then, if the CBC wants to continue to shill and be a megaphone for the Liberl$, they can do it on their own dime, not ours.

Stephen Harper is no Ronald Reagan. So, let’s all hope Reagan’s legacy will spare Canada.

Safe answer.

(In other words…never)

No, not a safe answer, a real answer.

As long as the CBC is funded to the tune of one-billion plus smackeroos a year by Canadian taxpayers, and as long as the CBC continues to shill for the Liberal Party of Canada, giving the LPC millions of dollars of free advertising while they never miss an opportunity to slag the CPC and Prime Minister Harper, we’ll never have a balanced media in this country.

BTW, if, as you insist, kenn2, that the G&M, the NP, etc. are right-wing, perhaps that’s because they’re businesses that respond to what sells. Perhaps there’s been a shift to the right on the part of Canadians. It’s a free country, isn’t it? If Canadians want to shift to the right and leave behind leftist values and practices that don’t work in the real world, that’s their democratic right, isn’t it?

if, as you insist, kenn2, that the G&M, the NP, etc. are right-wing, perhaps that’s because they’re businesses that respond to what sells. Perhaps there’s been a shift to the right on the part of Canadians. It’s a free country, isn’t it? If Canadians want to shift to the right and leave behind leftist values and practices that don’t work in the real world, that’s their democratic right, isn’t it?

Oh, no question, absolutely. This doesn’t quite jibe however with the incessant, blanket, absolutist claims from your part of the political spectrum that the “msm is [left] biased”.

Could this possibly mean that you will no longer duck behind “msm is biased” claims whenever there’s the slightest whiff of criticism about the government? I live in hope…

if, as you insist, kenn2, that the G&M, the NP, etc. are right-wing, perhaps that’s because they’re businesses that respond to what sells. Perhaps there’s been a shift to the right on the part of Canadians. It’s a free country, isn’t it? If Canadians want to shift to the right and leave behind leftist values and practices that don’t work in the real world, that’s their democratic right, isn’t it?

Oh, no question, absolutely. This doesn’t quite jibe however with the incessant, blanket, absolutist claims from your part of the political spectrum that the “msm is [left] biased”.

Could this possibly mean that you will no longer duck behind “msm is biased” claims whenever there’s the slightest whiff of criticism about the government? I live in hope…

Be my guest: Live in hope!

As long as we’ve got the TorStar with Travers, Mallick, Zerbisias, Siddiqi, et al., I’m-Peter-Mansbridge-and-you’re-not Mansbridge, et al. at the CBC, Giggles Taber, Craig Oliver, and Bobby how-blond-can-I-dye-my-hair Fife over at CTV, we’ll never have a balanced MSM in the deranged dominion. It’s good that we have some columnists, increasing numbers, in fact, voicing the views of the silent majority of Canadians who don’t live in the Toronto-Ottawa corridor, but they don’t approach the numbers who’ve drunk the Leftard Kool-Aid.

Little bit of bg on “msm bias”.

http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2005/05/b711509.html

You weren’t the first, you won’t be the last on the right to exploit this tactic.

Aha! Perhaps Kenny we have found the problem you face. If 2001 was so far back that you need reminding, its probably one of two things. First, I had assumed you had achieved puberty. If you were only five or six in 2001, then surely I can see how you would need to be reminded. If, on the other hand, you simply have a selective memory for 42 years of Liberal deceit, endless lying, and destruction to the joint fabric of the country then that too would explain your foray’s into that strange place you seem to inhabit.
As for your contention that the CPC would never touch Quebec, perhaps you haven’t heard either then, (selective memory and all) of Harper fixing the Federal “Deficiet” (granted, that only lasted until they thought they could bleed even more out of us) or his acknowledgement of Quebec as a Distinct society within Canada in the HofC or the ongoing discussion of the federal funding of an Arena there (I disagree with that btw). And if you think the Libs are dead in Quebec, due to their expertise in destroying the country, they are still more dead (is that possible?) in the west. The Liberals are now, as one wag points out, a party of the Greater Toronto Area. And no wonder. The fact is that Westerners have bought Quebec everything from the $5 per day, day care to an olympic pool in every comunity and been crapped on in return. That’s what really galls you folks back east. You figure there was nothing wrong with the favoritism and discrimination. Canada was fine with you entitled folks as long as it remained that way. Hence the frantic caterwalling of the Toronto media and those who think that oposition to South African style bilingualism is the product of “tiny minds”.

One of the reasons Harper is so good is that while the old days of outrape may

Aha! Perhaps Kenny we have found the problem you face. If 2001 was so far back that you need reminding, its probably one of two things. First, I had assumed you had achieved puberty. If you were only five or six in 2001, then surely I can see how you would need to be reminded. If, on the other hand, you simply have a selective memory for 42 years of Liberal deceit, endless lying, and destruction to the joint fabric of the country then that too would explain your foray’s into that strange place you seem to inhabit.
As for your contention that the CPC would never touch Quebec, perhaps you haven’t heard either then, (selective memory and all) of Harper fixing the Federal “Deficiet” (granted, that only lasted until they thought they could bleed even more out of us) or his acknowledgement of Quebec as a Distinct society within Canada in the HofC or the ongoing discussion of the federal funding of an Arena there (I disagree with that btw). And if you think the Libs are dead in Quebec, due to their expertise in destroying the country, they are still more dead (is that possible?) in the west. The Liberals are now, as one wag points out, a party of the Greater Toronto Area. And no wonder. The fact is that Westerners have bought Quebec everything from the $5 per day, day care to an olympic pool in every comunity and been crapped on in return. That’s what really galls you folks back east. You figure there was nothing wrong with the favoritism and discrimination. Canada was fine with you entitled folks as long as it remained that way. Hence the frantic caterwalling of the Toronto media and those who think that oposition to South African style bilingualism is the product of “tiny minds”.

One of the reasons Harper is so good is that while the old days of outrape may

So basically, if it isn’t written by Karl Marx, it is right wing, huh? OK let’s put it this way. Check it out if you don’t beleive me. When the MSM reports on something that the government puts forth – the reporter puts it out with his/her spin. He/she then goes to the Opposition parties to see how they spin it. What is almost never heard is the government’s message. I suppose in your world that equals a “balanced view” but not in the real one. I’m not sure here whether to laugh or cry…

Geezus Murphy on steriods Ken, that is an American Site! – are you seriously trying to compare the media in the two countries with both them and the governments they cover so competely different??? You do know we’re talking about the Canadian conservatives on this site, right?

I appreciate that you’ve not only brought forth your argument, you’ve also told me how I feel/think, and already generated the response you expect from me. This is all good, especially today, as it frees me up to help with dinner.

…the good old days of the rape of the west

Oh they’re back, except this time they’re “raping” themselves. The tar sands are being dug up, processed at great expense, and sold at market (aka “despot”) prices to the States, making us their single largest supplier. Yet Alberta itself is still running a budget deficit.

I wonder, how does Alberta feel about bearing the fiscal and environmental cost of helping Harper suck up to the US?

We do not bear the brunt of supporting the US, we bear the brunt of supporting our dependant, the province of Quebec.

You keep pointing to this monolithic MSM thing. Sorry, where? I see several different media outlets in Canada, owned by a more than a few different players, with differing viewpoints, some “right” enough to be quoted with favour on this blog on more than one occasion.

Are you seriously trying to tell me that the Canadian right wing doesn’t draw inspiration and tactics from the US right?

Izzy Asper was one of the largest supporters of the Liberal Party and the family remains so today (though at much diminished capacity) and he was running things when Mulroney won two back to back majority Governments – so much for an inability to expand out from their WASP base. So to call him “right leaning” is not just disengenuous but, well, you know…

When Conrad Black began the National Post, he openly admitted that it was to bring debate into the Canadian Media becuase of the left wing bias – essentially, it was a recognized business opportunity due to the fact there was none being offered. Problem was, that Black was a self made man and had the intellect and cojones to drive it. In true Liberal fashion though, once the Asper’s got ahold of the NP, a directive went out that there were to be no editorials which contravened their views and editorial policy.

Have another try.

Lol! Well two fairly obvious points jump to mind. First, if you’re doing it to yourself, it ain’t rape, it’s masterbation and at least you get something out of it – in this case, tax dollars. So your analogy is just plain wrong.
Second, we’ve seen pretty consistantly how Alberta feels about the PM – they keep electing him.

And finally, if you feel market prices are “despot” prices, you wouldn’t have any problem with paying, say, twice the going rate for gas in Toronto would you? I’m sure Albertan’s wouldn’t want to be accused of being of selling their souls too cheaply, after all.

Maybe some do – just like some Liberals no doubt draw their inspiration from Apartheid South Africa and the former Soviet Union. “Unilingual Anglophones will be sentenced to a lifetime of job immobility” – Pierre Trudeau.” But there is a heap of difference between drawing their policies from the American right. The US left is still miles to the right of Canada. Obama couldn’t even get his Public Heath care bill passed with a majority. Much of the US (left) considers us way too Socialist. In fact, I’d be inclined to think that has more to do with the border issues than what they precieve as threat. The US has always had to have someone to hate. In wartime, that’s pretty easy to define, in peace its the bogyman. From Softwood Lumber to Mad Cow disease, we often fit that bill.

So try my challenge. “When the MSM reports on something that the government puts forth – the reporter puts it out with his/her spin. He/she then goes to the Opposition parties to see how they spin it. What is almost never heard, is the government’s message.” Hell, I don’t care who you try it with – you’re in Toronto, why not start at home? Try it with the CBC for a week or so. And while you’re at it. Write down the dateline locations as well. They wind up being about 90% in Toronto – isn’t that strange for a program which calls itself “the National”. Btw, the weather doesn’t count – it took them years, but even CBC finally had to acknowledge that Vancouver had weather. It think it was about the same time they closed down their Calgary office.

Analogy?? Bollocks. Tarsands oil is just plain not returning near enough in royalties to Alberta or Canada that it should, given that it’s a non-renewable resource. And hello McFly, even the Alberta government can’t balance the books on tarsands royalties. Alberta (and Canada) is getting reamed and there wasn’t even a kiss.

Never mind what I may feel about fuel prices. See what one of your own has said about how we’re supplying “ethical oil”. Fine But if, despite the higher production costs and “ethics” , tarsands oil is still sold for the same price as “despot” oil, and we’re piping just about all of it south, AND importing big quantities of “despot” oil for our own use in the east… then our ethics ain’t worth sh!t.

Analogy?? Bollocks. Tarsands oil is just plain not returning near enough in royalties to Alberta or Canada that it should, given that it’s a non-renewable resource. And hello McFly, even the Alberta government can’t balance the books on tarsands royalties. Alberta (and Canada) is getting reamed and there wasn’t even a kiss.

Never mind what I may feel about fuel prices. See what one of your own has said about how we’re supplying “ethical oil”. Fine But if, despite the higher production costs and “ethics” , tarsands oil is still sold for the same price as “despot” oil, and we’re piping just about all of it south, AND importing big quantities of “despot” oil for our own use in the east… then our ethics ain’t worth sh!t.

Nice dodge of the whole “msm is biased” fallacy.

Seems like your argument has experienced “shrinkage”. Like swimming in October.

Yeah, riiiiight. As if you missed it, I was pointing out how utterly obtuse your supplied US link was for a comparative basis. Mabe I should have used an Iranian government link to compare to the Lieberal group think methodology – would you have gotten it them?

Lol – I didn’t think you had the cojones to try it! Face it Kenny, one of these days you’re going to have to break out and try analizing stuff for yourself instead of just dodging every point when someone slaps you down. Despite what your Lieberal Master’s and the MSM have been telling you for years, thinking for yourself doens’t really hurt. You could get used to it!

Oh that’s rich! Here we have a Liberal telling us to stick it to the market! Levant’s position, if you had actually read it, was making the case that Tar sands oil was more ethical than the Saudis, he says nothing about pricing. And I think its a bit more than rich to have some Toronto dweeb telling Alberta how it should be running things. You Lib’s can never really get past the fact that it is Alberta’s resource not yours can you? The old entitlement thing is bred so deep it ain’t ever going away is it? How about a bit of the old switcheroo? How about, Toronto, hell why not all of Ontario start doing what Alberta tells them. Let Alberta run the finance ministry of Ontario for thirty or forty years? First thing on the agenda of course would be to shut down all those smelly cars and truck on the Gardener expressway. Save those good Torontonians from themselves. Oh my God, can you even imagine the caterwalling?

Oh that’s rich! Here we have a Liberal telling us to stick it to the market! Levant’s position, if you had actually read it, was making the case that Tar sands oil was more ethical than the Saudis, he says nothing about pricing. And I think its a bit more than rich to have some Toronto dweeb telling Alberta how it should be running things. You Lib’s can never really get past the fact that it is Alberta’s resource not yours can you? The old entitlement thing is bred so deep it ain’t ever going away is it? How about a bit of the old switcheroo? How about, Toronto, hell why not all of Ontario start doing what Alberta tells them. Let Alberta run the finance ministry of Ontario for thirty or forty years? First thing on the agenda of course would be to shut down all those smelly cars and truck on the Gardener expressway. Save those good Torontonians from themselves. Oh my God, can you even imagine the caterwalling?

Touche, Doug M. I had decided not to even grace kenn2′s link with a response, as soon as I saw it was American and a blog called the Centre for American Progress.

The words “progress” and “progressive” are usually passwords for exactly the opposite, just more government programs and spending, more Big Daddy/Nanny State coercion of the masses.

No thanks.

That link perfectly describes the “msm is biased” mind-game. It’s played exactly the same up here as in the US. And it’s equally lame.

Let me flip it around and make it easy on you. Show me ONE story in the National Post that has been deliberately spun to make the government look bad.

You do know that reporting consists of more than simply reading government press releases verbatim, right? You also recall that Harper runs the tightest, most secretive, controlled cabinet in history, with greatly reduced access, scrums etc. CPC strategy (as confirmed here by Mr Taylor) is to be openly disdainful of the press, and they often do end runs to avoid any press contact.

It’s the perfect set-up to be able to always blame the messenger whenever there’s any bad press. At least for those who can’t or won’t make up their own minds.

You obviously haven’t looked at anything Israel Asper believed in, or that he was regarded as a “Blue” Liberal for his many right of center ideas. Of course it’s also inconceivable to you that the Liberals have often been a centrist party. The PCs often were too, when they wanted to govern.

Problem was, that Black was a self made man and had the intellect and cojones to drive it.

What a crock. Black (“call me Lord”) is a clever guy and a great writer, but he was born into wealth and privilege, and has had a life-long propensity for cheating to get ahead. Look it up.

(And the NP has been struggling from day one, because although the Canadian right blathers on about not having any right-slanted outlets, they won’t actually go out and support it when it’s available)

I don’t much agree with his views, but Israel Asper was the real deal when it comes to self-made men.

You Lib’s can never really get past the fact that it is Alberta’s resource not yours can you?

Two things:
- first, unless you’re prepared to show me how those clever Albertans knew to bury dinosaurs in that exact spot some 3 billion years ago, then we have to agree that oil wealth is essentially a windfall, same as BC forests , Ontario nickel or Quebec copper. Canada is still ONE country, despite your best attempts to inflame regional differences.
- second, FYI I’m not a card-carrying Liberal. They get no love from me right now. I know this makes things harder for you, so I’m prepared to forgive you the occasional slip. But please at least try.

Levant’s position, if you had actually read it, was making the case that Tar sands oil was more ethical than the Saudis

This ethical oil and the way Canada is selling it as fast and cheaply as possible does NOTHING to reduce the sale of “despot” oil, which we ourselves also buy in abundance, despite being a net oil exporter. Some ethics. When it comes to oil, Canada is an ethical slut.

I’m certain that Harper just loves that Alberta is currently oil-rich. That windfall gives the west (therefore him) a bit more clout, and it nicely hides the fact that the CPC isn’t doing enough to build up our strengths in other fields like technology, medicine etc… the things we’ll need for when the oil runs out.

Check out this article, about how Craig Oliver on last Sunday’s Question Period completely misrepresented what Prime Minister Harper said about Egypt.

http://blogs.canoe.ca/lilleyspad/media/ctvs-hit-job-on-pm-harper/

Craig got his knickers in a knot about PMSH’s toothpaste analogy and completely disregarded and deigned not to comment on these points made by the PM: that he (the PM) consistently called for free and fair elections, respect for the rule of law and human rights, and encouraged those in power in Egypt to “lead change: get in front of it, be a part of it, and make a bright future happen for the people of Egypt.” In no way was the Prime Minister advocating that Mubarak be returned to power, as Oliver implied.

That’s despicable journalism. In fact, it’s not journalism at all. It’s a hatchet job. Craig needs to get himself an axe, a checkered shirt, and some big boots.

Look at this interview that MSNBC had with Niall Ferguson and see why it might be that our Prime Minister hasn’t become a cheerleader for what’s happening in Egypt. It’s hard to say which way these demonstrations are going to take Egypt: military dictatorship, Mjuslim Brotherhood takeover, or democracy? It’s up in the air.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036789/vp/41577220#41577220

Check out this article, about how Craig Oliver on last Sunday’s Question Period completely misrepresented what Prime Minister Harper said about Egypt.

http://blogs.canoe.ca/lilleyspad/media/ctvs-hit-job-on-pm-harper/

Craig got his knickers in a knot about PMSH’s toothpaste analogy and completely disregarded and deigned not to comment on these points made by the PM: that he (the PM) consistently called for free and fair elections, respect for the rule of law and human rights, and encouraged those in power in Egypt to “lead change: get in front of it, be a part of it, and make a bright future happen for the people of Egypt.” In no way was the Prime Minister advocating that Mubarak be returned to power, as Oliver implied.

That’s despicable journalism. In fact, it’s not journalism at all. It’s a hatchet job. Craig needs to get himself an axe, a checkered shirt, and some big boots.

Look at this interview that MSNBC had with Niall Ferguson and see why it might be that our Prime Minister hasn’t become a cheerleader for what’s happening in Egypt. It’s hard to say which way these demonstrations are going to take Egypt: military dictatorship, Mjuslim Brotherhood takeover, or democracy? It’s up in the air.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036789/vp/41577220#41577220

And, in case you missed it, kenn2, this is a blatant example of media bias in the Canadian MSM.

And, in case you missed it, kenn2, this is a blatant example of media bias in the Canadian MSM.

I never said that there was NO media bias. Nor do I approve when it happens. But one drop does not a shower make.

Blanket, indiscriminate caterwauling about “MSM is biased!” is what I have problems with. That’s all.

Whooee! That’s pretty rich! Whether its oil nickel or copper, it’s still a provincial resource – so whine about it all you like, but tough. And if you needed to be reminded of this too, there are ten provinces and three territories in this country – keep your hands out of my pocket. I know Ontario thinks of itself as Canada but maybe you should move out of your sequestered little society and go live in other parts of the country for a bit – gives you a lot broader perspective.

The fact that you are not a “card carrying Liberal” is irrelevant – “if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck…” And you quack like a duck. How you justify it or hide behind it, I couldn’t care less. The old adage “If you haven’t been a socialist by the time you’re twenty, you have no heart, but if you’re still a socialist by the time you’re forty, you have no brain” Still holds as well today as it did back in the olden days (before 2001)

You want to avoid bying “despot” oil? Hell, go for it, see if I care. Refuse to put it in your car. Its a natural resource, Alberta can cap every well it has, and drive the price up into the stratosphere in Ontario for all I care. Hell, if yo want to start a movement, sign me up.

And for the record, I don’t try to inflame regional differences – I’d be happier if we just cut everything east of Manitoba loose the wallow in the feelings of superiority and South African style bilingualism.

Whooee! That’s pretty rich! Whether its oil nickel or copper, it’s still a provincial resource – so whine about it all you like, but tough. And if you needed to be reminded of this too, there are ten provinces and three territories in this country – keep your hands out of my pocket. I know Ontario thinks of itself as Canada but maybe you should move out of your sequestered little society and go live in other parts of the country for a bit – gives you a lot broader perspective.

The fact that you are not a “card carrying Liberal” is irrelevant – “if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck…” And you quack like a duck. How you justify it or hide behind it, I couldn’t care less. The old adage “If you haven’t been a socialist by the time you’re twenty, you have no heart, but if you’re still a socialist by the time you’re forty, you have no brain” Still holds as well today as it did back in the olden days (before 2001)

You want to avoid bying “despot” oil? Hell, go for it, see if I care. Refuse to put it in your car. Its a natural resource, Alberta can cap every well it has, and drive the price up into the stratosphere in Ontario for all I care. Hell, if yo want to start a movement, sign me up.

And for the record, I don’t try to inflame regional differences – I’d be happier if we just cut everything east of Manitoba loose the wallow in the feelings of superiority and South African style bilingualism.

Aww, Kenny just likes to be entertaining. We represent what his parents told him was the bad people and now he’s trying to make himself feel that the lessons they passed on were the one true way. Hell, I enjoy watching him twist, squirm, and shift direction more times than a Coho on a hook. One second he’s asking a Conservative if he minds him printing and framing a something and then seconds later he’s doing exactly the same thing. Then he’s claiming that MSMbias is a myth then he’s admitting it happens, but “doesn’t support it”. Bullwinkle. Consistency isn’t exactly his strong suit. But if anyone like fishing, Kenny to his credit is more sport than hooking, say, a carp…

You forgot to sign off with “…and get offa my lawn!” while shaking your cane. Calm down, you’ll sprain a wattle.

Alas, no cane and no wattle. But nice to see you finally agree. Now about that movement to stop anyone in Ontario from buying “despot” oil. Where is it I sign up?

Now, now, Kenny, no dodging. You track the CBC political reporters for a week and see how many times they spin the Government message and then go to the Opposition members for yet more spin but never allow the Government to make its own case, and I’ll happily go through the NP archives. Find those cojones yet? And if you are truely so uneducated as to believe that Harper is the most distainful PM of the press I suggest you do a wee bit of research into Pierre “We’ll talk above the heads of the press” and “An MP is a nobody 50 feet from Parliament hill” Trudeau, who famously lamented to the press that “I won’t have you to kick around anymore”, after his walk in the snow. But, as you so accurately point out earlier, the reason you dislike Harper so much is that you know nothing about anything that happened before 2001. Which is kinda like saying every Hell’s Angel that’s been in jail for more than 9 years must be as innocent as a newborn babe! You know that old adage about “Tis far better to be silent and be thought a fool, than to opens one’s mouth and remove all doubt.” Right?

Nice stickhandling, coach. Wrong rink, but whatever.

Look, you’re the one bleating “MSM is biased”. Last I checked, there was more than just the CBC on after dinner. Or have you lost the remote again?

One drop? C’mon.

One drop? C’mon.

So many lies, so little time…

If I’d known you were hard of thinking I’d have typed slower.

So many lies, so little time…

If I’d known you were hard of thinking I’d have typed slower.

Lol! Ahhh, Kenny. YOu are indeed a Liberal through and through. First you need a history lesson for anything that happened before 2001, then you think its the coach that does the stickhandling, and now you prove you have no cojones. Are you related to Paul Martin by chance?

Lol! Ahhh, Kenny. YOu are indeed a Liberal through and through. First you need a history lesson for anything that happened before 2001, then you think its the coach that does the stickhandling, and now you prove you have no cojones. Are you related to Paul Martin by chance?

Yeah and Conrad Black didn’t make his millions by selling papers etc, his Mommy and Daddy gave it to him. That Liberal Koolaid again?

Yeah and Conrad Black didn’t make his millions by selling papers etc, his Mommy and Daddy gave it to him. That Liberal Koolaid again?

Kenny, normally I’d defer to any Liberal’s knowledge about lying as they’ve proven so often it is ingrained in their DNA, but their expertise lies in telling them, not identifying them. As well, the best example of a weak mind is when one had to repeat a single insult over and over – come up with a new one, I know you can do it – it may take a bit through that Liberal fog but I have confidence in you. And third, I’m not hard of thinking – I haven’t voted Liberal since Trudeau lied to us the first time he was elected. It was back then when I realized the utter lack of integrity of the Liberal party and started thinking on my own.

Kenny, normally I’d defer to any Liberal’s knowledge about lying as they’ve proven so often it is ingrained in their DNA, but their expertise lies in telling them, not identifying them. As well, the best example of a weak mind is when one had to repeat a single insult over and over – come up with a new one, I know you can do it – it may take a bit through that Liberal fog but I have confidence in you. And third, I’m not hard of thinking – I haven’t voted Liberal since Trudeau lied to us the first time he was elected. It was back then when I realized the utter lack of integrity of the Liberal party and started thinking on my own.

More lying, Doug. I never said that. I simply pointed out that Black started out with wealth and privilege. Not exactly the self-made man you called him.

That was pathetic, even for you.

Why don’t you pull a “Bev Ota” – hit the edit button and fix it up a bit? I promise not to watch.

Hmmmm. So I repeat your own words back to you, and *I’M* pathetic, huh. Geez, You really are a Liberal aren’t you?

Lots of people start out in rich familys and wind up with nothing. Black’s empire wasn’t bought by his parents he make it himself – that is a self made man for normal people, regardless of how you define it. Is it just your definitions that are wrong, or are you lying like a rug?

Going to try that little experiment Kenny? No guts, huh?

Towards the end of today’s ‘Q’ (CBC radio 1), there was an interesting guest (Quebec novelist) who I think presented a salient point on the whole media discussion – that it’s very common in the North American media to be alarmist, resulting in news coverage that can seem to lurch from crisis to crisis. Together with a relative lack these days of in-depth analysis, due mostly to the decline of print journalism IMO), it’s clear that for some people this can create anxiety or some level of denial. Definitely a problem with today’s media.

Given your undisguised hatred for both the CBC and Quebec, I expect that you probably didn’t catch this.

Your “MSM is biased” bleat, which is right-wing shorthand for “all media is left/liberal-biased” remains utterly unproven and unprovable. The existence of even one rightish outlet disproves it, and we both know that you have several Canadian sources of blue-tinged news to bolster your fears and prejudices.

Pull your head out of your ass, and engage with everything around you. You really don’t understand how great we have it in Canada, and why. Hint – it wasn’t oil.

Wow, this thread now hinges on how wonderful Connie Black is?

Your typos are a fairly obvious sign of how much you’re flailing. The thread is clear evidence of who’s lied and who hasn’t.

OMG.

Currently – Friday afternoon – I’m listening to Dr David Suzuki (on CBC, of course) discussing the extent and economics of global pollution, possible solutions, and the roles to be played by science, government and the market- with <> Preston Manning. The discussion was civil, probing, thoughtful and informative.

See what you’re missing? This IS a fun experiment. Thanks, Doug.

OMG.

Currently – Friday afternoon – I’m listening to Dr David Suzuki (on CBC, of course) discussing the extent and economics of global pollution, possible solutions, and the roles to be played by science, government and the market- with <> Preston Manning. The discussion was civil, probing, thoughtful and informative.

See what you’re missing? This IS a fun experiment. Thanks, Doug.

Nope, it hinged on the lie you perpetrated saying that he was not self made. Black built his empire himself, not on his parents dime. You fanatisicm about worshiping all things Lieberal tried to say he was not. Hence, to use your flailing as an example – you make the case against yourself.

Nope, it hinged on the lie you perpetrated saying that he was not self made. Black built his empire himself, not on his parents dime. You fanatisicm about worshiping all things Lieberal tried to say he was not. Hence, to use your flailing as an example – you make the case against yourself.

He was born rich and connected. To most people this alone is sufficient to be considered “made”. It’s quite true that he ably used his intelligence, position, wealth and connections to amass an even bigger fortune.

But he cheated at school, he cheated at business, and he gave up his Canadian citizenship for an archaic feudal British title. Good role model, d’you think? Worthy of your impassioned defense?

(BTW, for the record, I never flat-out said he wasn’t self -made, but it wasn’t rags to riches, it was rich to more rich)

“He was born rich and connected. To most people this alone is sufficient to be considered “made”. It’s quite true that he ably used his intelligence, position, wealth and connections to amass an even bigger fortune.”

Wiggle Kenny, wiggle.

” It’s quite true that he ably used his intelligence, position, wealth and connections to amass an even bigger fortune.

Wiggle Kenny, wiggle.

Kenny, you just pointed out a few posts ago, that you needed a “history lesson” on anything that happened prior to 2001! How the hell do you even pretend to have sufficient knowledge to understand the “experiment” and its current condition, given that its been going on for 134 years before you even clued into it?

Kenny, you just pointed out a few posts ago, that you needed a “history lesson” on anything that happened prior to 2001! How the hell do you even pretend to have sufficient knowledge to understand the “experiment” and its current condition, given that its been going on for 134 years before you even clued into it?

you just pointed out a few posts ago, that you needed a “history lesson” on anything that happened prior to 2001!

Not exactly. Also, have a grownup explain sarcasm to you.

Canada is no longer an experiment btw, it’s a resounding success. Tell Harper to stop dismantling bits of it.

Geez, the one they held on me wasn’t as bad as the one they held on you a week or so ago. But let’s try again. I’ll type slower. First, I don’t hate CBC or Quebec (for someone who goes all apoplectic when someone accuses you of having traits you don’t claim you sure do it to others as a constant habit – it must be that Liberal superiority that you folks attribute to yourselves) What I pointed out, was that I’m well travelled – I was in the USSR before the wall fell (that’s the Berlin wall to you) and in Russia after it came down. From Tromso, Norway to Punta Arenas, Chile and from Livorno Italy to Singapore, I’ve been to places and got an international insight that some Liberal drone just hasn’t the background or experience base to debate. (did you know that while Chretien was championing us as such a staunch ally – we were known as the Dead beat dads of NATO? – but that’s when we were a resounding sucess!) Like the hillbillies of the deep south, a long as you only looked at your own definition, we were great!

And I’m always amused at how some self righteous Liberal can tell me in breathless wonder, how it was so important that we support sanctions against South Africa, where 20% of whites had complete control of the Political process, but then in the next breath look on in undisguised amazement and delight that 23% of Francophones in Canada have done the same thing. 3% being the difference between racism and minority rights of course. The good news is that in S.A. there were white journalists worthy of the name, while we have the CBC.
We were only a resounding sucess in our own minds (try reading Andre Cohens “While Canada slept”, He doesn’t cover the half of it but even you can get the drift.

So Harper, the best PM we’ve had since we started navel gazing around 1946 or so, is fixing what you call, your “resounding success” becuase the only place that existed was in the small and limited minds or those who swallow whatever is fed to them – by their Liberal Masters and the CBC. Is that nice enough?

Tone’s better, sure.

Liberal drone brought up in Toronto
Sorry, wasn’t born here, done some travelling myself. What was that about assumptions?I don’t need a long backstory to justify what I write. If something’s true and provable, that’s enough.

Equating official bilingualism with apartheid? Really? That’s like comparing “withholding dessert” to trade sanctions. Didn’t hold water when we were 8, still doesn’t work.

As I said all along no-one, including you has moved one inch closer to proving that all media is left/lib biased. Pick up a Toronto/Calgary/Vancouver/etc SUN. There, you’re holding proof of the contrary – the SUN has never put a liberal spin on anything, except for maybe the description of the Sunshine Girl.

And I don’t need to take schoolyard dares to preserve the integrity of my anatomy, thanks.

Tone’s better, sure.

Liberal drone brought up in Toronto
Sorry, wasn’t born here, done some travelling myself. What was that about assumptions?I don’t need a long backstory to justify what I write. If something’s true and provable, that’s enough.

Equating official bilingualism with apartheid? Really? That’s like comparing “withholding dessert” to trade sanctions. Didn’t hold water when we were 8, still doesn’t work.

As I said all along no-one, including you has moved one inch closer to proving that all media is left/lib biased. Pick up a Toronto/Calgary/Vancouver/etc SUN. There, you’re holding proof of the contrary – the SUN has never put a liberal spin on anything, except for maybe the description of the Sunshine Girl.

And I don’t need to take schoolyard dares to preserve the integrity of my anatomy, thanks.

“I don’t need a long backstory to justify what I write” But that’s what makes you a liberal – you never justify anything, you just keep bleating. And justification is what brings relevance to a debate – which is the difference between bleating and debating. Which of course is why it was so dependable that you would never put your money where your mouth is. Going to track CBC for a week? And Disney land isn’t exactly travelling in the real sense.

“I don’t need a long backstory to justify what I write” But that’s what makes you a liberal – you never justify anything, you just keep bleating. And justification is what brings relevance to a debate – which is the difference between bleating and debating. Which of course is why it was so dependable that you would never put your money where your mouth is. Going to track CBC for a week? And Disney land isn’t exactly travelling in the real sense.

For Ken2 to refresh his memory on why liberals were kicked out
http://www.lufa.ca/news/news_item.asp?NewsID=5399

Replying here cos the columns have run out. Usually that’s a sign that we should quit and go home.

But that’s what makes you a liberal – you never justify anything, you just keep bleating.

-groan-

Not a liberal, sorry.
Provided tons of support, links etc. I can’t be responsible if you refuse to even read them, let alone refute them. (like with… facts and links, not a crapload of diversion, insults and assumptions)
… and it’s not me bleating dogma (see ‘liberal’ above); I’m tearing it down.

I do know it’s a lost cause. Anyone who can seriously equate bilingualism in Canada with apartheid in S. Africa isn’t going to be swayed by reason.

Take a break, play some Bingo. Let’s try again next thread, after you’ve brushed up on your dogma, and learned some fresher insults and quotes.

Thanks Thanks for for the the double double.

“Anyone who can seriously equate bilingualism in Canada with apartheid in S. Africa”

What’s the matter Kenny, showing you a mirror causing some rational thought? Maybe taking the tinge off those Rose(dale) tinted glasses of yours? The old boers did in S.A. exactly the same thing Trudeau and Serge Loyal did here (so how’s that for a resonding success?) The fact is that the Liberals have done all kinds of stuff to screw people. And yes occsaionally the old PCs did to. Another thing that Harper is doing right. Learn to love him, he may be able to keep the country together if he hangs on for a another decade or so and gets a few majorities.

Ever wonder why the Wheat board is mandatory in the West but not in the east? Ever wonder about Quebec’s margerine laws? You’ve spend so much time convinced in your “resounding success” that was pounded into your head that you never learned how to think. A little bit of critical and compartive analysis can go a long way if you’re got the experience of something to compare it to. And stop whining about insults – you can barely get a post out without your misguided sense of superiority infering that anyone not drinking your koolaid is somehow beneath you intellectually. And believe me, you ain’t anywhere close to the top of the pack on that aspect.

“Anyone who can seriously equate bilingualism in Canada with apartheid in S. Africa”

What’s the matter Kenny, showing you a mirror causing some rational thought? Maybe taking the tinge off those Rose(dale) tinted glasses of yours? The old boers did in S.A. exactly the same thing Trudeau and Serge Loyal did here (so how’s that for a resonding success?) The fact is that the Liberals have done all kinds of stuff to screw people. And yes occsaionally the old PCs did to. Another thing that Harper is doing right. Learn to love him, he may be able to keep the country together if he hangs on for a another decade or so and gets a few majorities.

Ever wonder why the Wheat board is mandatory in the West but not in the east? Ever wonder about Quebec’s margerine laws? You’ve spend so much time convinced in your “resounding success” that was pounded into your head that you never learned how to think. A little bit of critical and compartive analysis can go a long way if you’re got the experience of something to compare it to. And stop whining about insults – you can barely get a post out without your misguided sense of superiority infering that anyone not drinking your koolaid is somehow beneath you intellectually. And believe me, you ain’t anywhere close to the top of the pack on that aspect.