Bob Rae, self-styled “jihadi” fighter

Juxtaposing comments from Liberal foreign affairs critic Bob Rae from the same Globe and Mail interview given on the edge of Rosedale at a noisy cafe,

A grey-haired man wearing a tweed jacket and tortoise-shell glasses sitting at a nearby table overhears our conversation.

“Bob, can I ask you a question?” he interjects. “What I’m interested in is Afghanistan. The point is, it’s all tribal. They don’t give a shit about democracy, so what are we doing there?” he asks.

Mr. Rae proceeds to unleash a complex argument about the futility of military adventure, the importance of our long-term political interests and the violent history of Western civilization.

[Rae] firmly believes that the Liberals can defeat the Harper government, and cannot wait to take the Prime Minister down.

It’s come to the point where you’ve got these 25-year-old jihadis in the Prime Minister’s Office. They are very, very focused on undermining, destroying. Attack, attack, attack. There’s no other way,” he complains.

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  • batb

    I’m sorry. But what the hell is Bob Rae (Mo Strong’s “nephew”) talking about?

  • Constellation1

    I assume he is talking about ” the young turks” or keen young conservative workers in Ottawa. As if the Liberal party doesn’t have its own attack dogs.

  • wilson

    Old school Bob Rae, Ignatieff, Ian MacDonald, Norman Spector…… time to consider that retirement.

  • Bec

    There you have it, the miserable mouth of a Liberal, a consistent use of extremism’s in their attempt to hammer home their sense of entitlement of the office of the Prime Minister of Canada.

    It’s never about the citizens, not even as constituents, it’s simply always about their lust for power.

    EVERY ambitious and successful ’25 year old’ should take enormous offence to the comments of this man because in a round about way, he is talking about YOU TOO! Obviously, they are frustrating him, he can’t keep up and he wants them gone….poof so that he can run things like a 62 year old, has been.

    Be afraid, very afraid of this guy. His arrogance stops at nothing.

  • Liz J

    Yeah, I’d like to know if HE knows what he’s talking about. Frankly I think he’s gone off the deep end in his desperation to gain power and position himself to grab the leadership, figuring it’s his turn for a kick at the leadership can.

    Those Liberals are really a shameless pack of hungry wolves, they’d eat their Grannies for power.

    I’ve noted of late even some “moderates” in the media are going over to the dark side. May they and their Liberals live in interesting times as the old Chinese curse goes. Actually they’re defeating themselves in their desperation.

  • batb

    But to call them “jihadis”? That’s below the belt and totally uncalled for.

    And, further, if Bob Rae thinks of jihadis in the negative, which he darned well should — but who knows with this guy? — then why isn’t he more vehement about their being defeated in Afghanistan and why is he putting our military men and women at risk by demanding military documents be made public?

  • batb

    Yeah, Bec, he’s a woolf in not-so-sheep’s clothing, standing stage left, salivating to get Iggy’s job. He’s not man enough to come right out and say he wants a shot at Liberal “glory,” he’s just hoping that his old “friend” screws up so badly that he’ll be able to come in, cape flying, singing “here I come to save the day!”

    May Canada be spared any “leadership” that Bob Rae may feel entitled to. Like you say, Bec, it’s never about ordinary Canadians with the Liberal$, it’s always about their lust for power.

    They’re getting desperate, that’s why they’re jacking up the shenanigans, they and their attack poodles in the MSM.

  • Jen

    He seems to have forgotten that his party the libs, ndp and bloc (Coalition) chanted dailyfor the taliban detainees; even their beloved useless media coalition joined in the chorus.

  • Liz J

    We really should be doubly offended that any member of any party elected to the HOC of Canada would even come close to equating another with “jihadis” . How would such a comparison even enter the mind of a rational thinker?

    Robert Rae, failed Dipper premier cum desperate for power Liberal has a lot to answer for even among clear thinking, fair minded Liberals, there have to be some who see they have a major problem among them. His connection to one Maurice Strong is another thing to consider.

  • Liz J

    We really should be doubly offended that any member of any party elected to the HOC of Canada would even come close to equating another with “jihadis” . How would such a comparison even enter the mind of a rational thinker?

    Robert Rae, failed Dipper premier cum desperate for power Liberal has a lot to answer for even among clear thinking, fair minded Liberals, there have to be some who see they have a major problem among them. His connection to one Maurice Strong is another thing to consider.

  • Anonymous

    I support your call for more temperate use of labels, and less throwing around of hot-button words like “jihad” and “jihadi”. Not only because they’re just flame-bait, but because most people, alot of the Western press included, have little understanding of what those words actually mean.

    It’s like calling all Israelis “Zionists” or all Western forces “Crusaders”.

    The Taliban are not necessarily “jihadi” in the proper sense of the word, and “jihad” doesn’t necessarily mean attack, violence or warfare ; if you’re really desperate for an epithet, try … Taliban. That’s who we’re fighting.

    why is [Rae] putting our military men and women at risk by demanding military documents be made public?

    Ah, that pile of horseshit again. Just one thread ago you’re praising Harper for not engaging more with the UN because of his “principles” re human rights, but when it comes to providing to Parliament the basic information that allows to monitor our country’s high standards of human rights, Harper stonewalls, prorogues, hides behind the military, and you praise him.

  • batb

    kenn2, hang it up. The “horseshit,” as you put it, is entirely to do with Baby-Point-Socialist Bob Rae and next to nothing to do with Prime Minister Stephen Harper.

    ‘Nice try, trying to change the subject, trying to move the spotlight.

    Uh. Uh.

  • batb

    kenn2, hang it up. The “horseshit,” as you put it, is entirely to do with Baby-Point-Socialist Bob Rae and next to nothing to do with Prime Minister Stephen Harper.

    ‘Nice try, trying to change the subject, trying to move the spotlight.

    Uh. Uh.

  • Anonymous

    why is he putting our military men and women at risk by demanding military documents be made public?

    … Nope. You kicked the spotlight, you brought it up, and it’s still horseshit. We did the Afghan detainee issue to death here in the spring of ’09, including reviewing the Hansard to see the the first time those evasive cowards Mackay and Harper first ducked for cover behind the military.

    The only people at risk are Harper and his cabinet. The longer he evades, the more likely that they actually did drop the ball on these issues, and it’s going to come out.

  • batb

    Do you actually think that Bob Rae gives a tinker’s dam about the Afghan detainees? The problem began on the Liberal$’ watch and, as per usual, they dropped the ball and didn’t deal with it. I didn’t hear any hue and cry from Rae, other Liberal$, the Dippers, or the Blockheads. I didn’t hear a whimper from the lamestream media.

    Did you?

    Then, the CPC comes into power and the media are all over it like ants on a crumb. Sorry, I’m not letting Bob Rae off the hook. All he wants is power for his new party, and power for himself. In my books, shape-changer Rae, has no credibility whatsoever.

  • Anonymous

    Then, the CPC comes into power and the media are all over it like ants on a crumb.

    Um, no it didn’t quite go like that. The issue didn’t hit the media til Colvin blew a whistle in late ’09. The government could have dealt with this quickly and simply at that time, instead … well everyone knows what they’ve done since.

    Like most government ‘scandals’, it’s not the original issue, which isn’t that hard to handle… it’s their responses – slagging Colvin, defying Parliament, prorogation, cowering behind the military – that is the source of the heat.

    If you really wish the best for the CPC, tell them to get off their obstinate arses and just deal with this issue already.

  • batb

    “The issue didn’t hit the media til Colvin blew a whistle in late ’09. ”

    Uh huh. This makes my point even more cogent. Colvin was a Liberal appointee. Why didn’t he whistleblow on the Liberal$? Why did he wait until 2009 to whistleblow on the Conservatives?

    When Colvin went on his whistleblowing rampage, it was just another pile-up on the CPC who, BTW, were tightening up the rules about detainees, rules that were inadequate when the Liberal$ were in charge. I suspect there were quite a few serious issues surrounding national security and the safety of our troops that came into play when the CPC refused to provide documents. Governments have the right to do this if they think national security might be breached or compromised. The Three Amigos and their attack poodles in the media don’t seem to care about security issues, just slagging Prime Minister Harper and his party. I’m glad they have “obstinate arses” especially when you look at who’s asking them to move them.

    I’d like to ask Colvin a whole lot of questions about his timing and why he — and why Glyn Berry before him — didn’t put pressure on the Liberal$ to do something about “this issue.”

  • Anonymous

    I’d like to correct an error I made above. The first public surfacing of the detainee allegations was in 2007.

    The first allegations of detainee abuse came in early February 2007, when University of Ottawa law professor Amir Attaran produced documents he had received through an Access to Information request showing that three prisoners in the custody of Canadian military police were brought in by their Afghan interrogator for treatment of similar injuries to the head and upper body, all on the same day. Attaran argued this could be evidence of torture on the part of the interrogator and should be investigated…

    In April 2007, The Globe and Mail published interviews with 30 men who claimed they were “beaten, starved, frozen and choked after they were handed over to Afghanistan’s National Directorate of Security” by Canadian Forces members. It also revealed that it had received an censored report by the Canadian government on human rights in Afghanistan through an access to information request, and it contained “negative references to acts such as torture, abuse, and extra judicial killings [that] were blacked out without an explanation.”

    … In January 2008, it was revealed that the government ceased the detainee transfers after an internal investigation revealed allegations of a detainee being abused on November 5, 2007. [Source]

    All these folk Lieberal$ too? So, it took over a year from the first publicized info for the government to tighten up the rules. I suppose that passes for ‘fast’ in Ottawa…

    btw, Colvin served in Afghanistan in 2006-7. He made numerous complaints through channels, before going public after leaving that posting. Who else was he going to complain to?

    There isn’t and never was a national security threat, or threat to “the troops”, by releasing the required information to committees made up of members of Parliament, (the only obvious exception being senior ministers who date biker chicks and misplace their Top Secret folders alot).

    A majority of Canadians suspect that Harper & Co. are hiding something about this. It won’t go away.

  • batb

    Amir Attaran, University of Ottawa professor, is a known anti-c/Conservative, pro-Muslim, leftist, mouth piece.

    How reliable, given taqiya, is the testimony of the “30 men who claimed they were ‘beaten, starved, frozen and choked’ after they were handed over to Afghanistan’s National Directorate of Security” by Canadian Forces members”? I mean, give me a break, kenn2. Nearly every Islamist extremist who’s ever been apprehended by Western military has screamed “WE’VE BEEN BEATEN! WE’VE BEEN STARVED! WE’VE BEEN FROZEN! WE’VE BEEN CHOKED!” That’s their well-known modus operandi.

    “… In January 2008, it was revealed that the government ceased the detainee transfers after an internal investigation revealed allegations of a detainee being abused on November 5, 2007.” One detainee was abused? How many of our soldiers have been killed?

    No, a majority of Canadians do not “suspect that Harper & Co. are hiding something about this.” The Three Amigos, their attack poodles in the MSM, and extremist Islamists suspect this. Sans the never-ending brouhaha from the Disloyal Opposition and the Tabers, Olivers, Delacourts, Travers, Rileys, Mansbridges, and all of the other usual media suspects, there are no suspicions on the part of your wo/man on the street. Canadians support their military men and women who are daily risking their lives, sometimes losing them, to keep Islamist extremists over there rather than over here and are not particularly moved by the taqiya lies regularly told by Muslim detainees.

    You haven’t answered my main question: Why did Richard Colvin not blow the whistle on the Liberal$ when they were in power and he was their appointee in Afghanistan, as it was the LPC which put the legal boundaries in place for the apprehension of Afghan detainees? Why did Glyn Berry not blow the whistle? Why did it take the CPC forming the government for the awkward questions to be asked? So, it took the CPC a year to tighten up the rules? That’s the usual for any government. I’m actually impressed that it took only a year given all of the other issues they had to deal with.

    The timing of Richard Colvin’s coming forward stinks to high heaven, especially given that he is a Liberal appointee and insider. His concern for Afghan detainees is very much in question because he knew what he knew long before he came forward and seemed to have chosen to come forward in order to put the CPC and PMSH in a politically awkward position.

    I’m not buying your analysis, kenn2. And, in case you haven’t noticed, despite the squawking of the self-interested Amir Attaran, the Three Amigos, and their toadies in the media, the issue has gone away. Canadians are not inundating their MPs to ask “What about the Afghan detainees?”

  • Liz J

    Bobby Rae was in fine jihadi form yesterday,(in his own mind), in the HOC by leading off with the questioning in QP, filling in for his boss and nemeses who is out hollering in the wilderness, aka “Open Mike” and “Town Halls”.

    Apparently those town halls are producing echos due to emptiness. Not the only way Iggy has his words tossed back at him, he better take care, he could be setting himself up for more flip-flops.

    If he follows the Liberal doctrine, being all things to all people, flip-flops become necessary and promises become lies. Just ask Dalty McGuinty of the Have-Not province of Ontario.

  • Anonymous

    He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself.

    Thomas Paine

    (I doubt that this will penetrate your reality distortion field, but since you’ve occasionally professed support for the principle of human rights, there’s always a chance.)

  • batb

    Well, then, please apply Thomas Paine’s principles to Richard Colvin and answer my question. Why did he not blow the whistle on the detainees’ alleged “torture” while the LPC were the government? The LPC government knew what was going on, so why didn’t they tighten up the rules regarding detainees being handed over to the Afghanis? Why was that left to the CPC ?

  • Anonymous

    Why did [Colvin] not blow the whistle on the detainees’ alleged “torture” while the LPC were the government?

    Geez. Can’t you even read a calendar? Colvin served in Afghanistan in 2006-7. He made numerous complaints through channels, before going public after leaving that posting. Do I have to tell you when Harper was first elected as PM? You do also recall that the Colvin allegations surfaced as part of his testimony to the Military Police Complaints Commission, despite Harper’s attempts to muzzle him beforehand.

    Here’s a handy study guide.

  • Anonymous

    We really should be doubly offended that any member of any party elected to the HOC of Canada would even come close to equating another with “jihadis” .

    So you’ve just applied it to an MP why?

  • batb

    Was Colvin, or was he not, a Liberal appointee in Afghanistan?

  • batb

    Li-ber-al

    dir-ty

    tricks.

    Why would one not think so?

  • Anonymous

    What time machine would he have used to be able to report detainee abuses to a Liberal government which was defeated about the time he went to Afghanistan?Whatever you’re smoking, stop being such a hog and pass it around.

  • Anonymous

    Why would one not think so?

    Here’s a few reasons one might not think so :
    – one’s head is not up Harper’s butt?
    – a Liberal appointee might still be competent, and a loyal Canadian?

  • batb

    With the emphasis very much on the might .

    I’ve been around a long time and the more I see the Liberal beast, the more disgusted I am. Starting with Trudeau (that far back, maybe it started sooner) and progressing through cross-me-and-I’ll-strangle-you Chretien, no-Canadian-flags-on-my-ships Martin, I’m-green-and-incompetent Dion, I-haven’t-got-a-clue-cause-I’m-only-a-Parliament-Hill-tourist Ignatieff, and Uncle-Mo’s-my-uncle-so-outta-my-way Rae, I have no reason to regard any Liberal as a loyal Canadian.

    Show me one.

    All the Liberal$ have done, year in and year out, is practise cronyism and since the CPC formed the government, all they’ve done is try to derail the government, not help them govern Canada for the good of all Canadians.

  • batb

    How come Glyn Berry didn’t blow the whistle then? It didn’t have to be Richard Colvin. Colvin’s timing had all of the earmarks of a political manoeuvre designed to embarrass the CPC, don’t you think?

  • Anonymous

    Um, no, it has the hallmarks of a career statesman who ‘s been trying to do the right thing all along, while being muzzled and smeared by the government of the country he serves.

    If you can seriously see Colvin as the villain and Harper & Mackay as heroes in all this, then there isn’t much that will penetrate that partisan fog around you.

  • Liz J

    No, I have not applied it to an MP, just the MP who said it. He was equating staff in the PMO with jihadi was he not?

  • batb

    The heroes are our men and women in the military, and Colvin seems not to care one whit about smearing them and casting them as the heavies. In some circles, his very public hue and cry would be considered treasonous.

    I’m sorry. We have a deadly enemy in the Afghani jihadists who are fighting us, using nasty, dirty tactics, caring nothing for the Geneva Conventions. It was proven, apparently, that one Afghan detainee had been roughed up when handed over to the Afghan army, and not very badly at that. And Colvin rides up on his white charger, making sure that the media are in tow, to decry our military.

    Hmmm. Smells of political opportunism to me.

    I’m not saying that Prime Minister Harper and P. Mackay are heroes. I’m saying that they could smell the opportunistic Liberal stench a mile away, and were intent on supporting their men and women in the military and not throwing them to the media, Three-Amigo, dogs.

    War is hell. Bad things happen. One Afghan detainee being roughed up is hardly the stuff of “scandal.” Sorry Liberal$.

  • Anonymous

    The heroes are our men and women in the military, and Colvin seems not to care one whit about smearing them and casting them as the heavies. In some circles, his very public hue and cry would be considered treasonous.

    Way to sell the spin. The issue is WHAT the military was directed to do, and for how long before the direction was revised. It was NEVER implied that the troops were at fault for this. Only Harper and Mackay made that unsupported connection, as part of their smokescreen.

    …to decry our military.

    … again with that cowardly lie. And it’s more than one detainee involved.

    Harper and P. Mackay …intent on supporting their men and women in the military and not throwing them to the media, Three-Amigo, dogs.

    Playing that lie like a barroom piano. You’re a good lil CPC supporter, arentcha? Hoping for a Senate appointment maybe?

  • Anonymous

    The heroes are our men and women in the military, and Colvin seems not to care one whit about smearing them and casting them as the heavies. In some circles, his very public hue and cry would be considered treasonous.

    Way to sell the spin. The issue is WHAT the military was directed to do, and for how long before the direction was revised. It was NEVER implied that the troops were at fault for this. Only Harper and Mackay made that unsupported connection, as part of their smokescreen.

    …to decry our military.

    … again with that cowardly lie. And it’s more than one detainee involved.

    Harper and P. Mackay …intent on supporting their men and women in the military and not throwing them to the media, Three-Amigo, dogs.

    Playing that lie like a barroom piano. You’re a good lil CPC supporter, arentcha? Hoping for a Senate appointment maybe?

  • Anonymous

    How would such a comparison even enter the mind of a rational thinker?

    This.

  • batb

    Yeah, sure.

    (Original post caught in filter, so let me be creative …)

    The Liberal$ sti… Even Justice Gomery, a Liberal appointee, labelled their machinations “the culture of corr…ion.” How could I be supportive of a party of entitled, corr..t, power-hungry bagmen at an unholy wake as my late father referred to the Liberals during and after Trudeau?

  • Anonymous

    reallyLongWordToTryToMakeWiderColumns

    OK. You win.

  • batb

    I wondered, kenn2, who was going to push who off the page. Like you say, I guess I win!!! LOL ;-)

  • Liz J

    Gosh, I’ve heard of bandwidth but never saw it played out to the end.

  • batb

    Me, neither, Liz! Weird, eh?