Peter Stoffer on the Long-gun registry

CBC News and the Chronicle Herald are reporting this morning that NDP MP Peter Stoffer is walking away from his long-time opposition to the long-gun registry because his constituents now support it, according to him. He’s been a Member for quite some time. Did he just ask his constituents on the weekend how they felt? Or are we witnessing the gradual behind-the-scenes whipping of the NDP caucus?

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  • http://canadiansense.blogspot.com/ Canadiansense

    That weekend in Regina, the long public record of opposition to the useless Liberal boondoggle just a coincidence?

    Nice try, the bowed head, ashamed to look constituents in the eye, fictional straw poll of 3,000 people over the weekend? (1860/3000 people called him to save it?) Can you link that evidence exists?

    As Sheila Copps about it, she had the courage to resign and get re-elected.

    Casey and Nunziata withstood the whip, looks like the hope for a coalition cabinet post or appointment to a senate in the coalition in 2011 is now a fair comment.

    or is it possible the leadership in Toronto is threatened and a loss of seats in downtown, Northern Ontario was made known through internal polling to key NDP MPs?

  • http://canadiansense.blogspot.com/ Canadiansense

    EPIC FAIL.NANOS poll does not support your Liberal world view. The mafia theme ties nicely to the Liberal party, thank you for pissing off the Italian community and suggesting corruption and murder is acceptable humour in Canadian politics.The braintrust in the LPOC are running on empty calling us chubby chasers and denying the tax and spend record.Democracy is something Liberals don’t understand or accept.Ignatieff benefited from a female, a visible minority stepping aside in a safe seat?Ignatieff was able to secure the nomination through candidates being locked out in the safe seat?Police were on duty to prevent violence for his acceptance.A small cadre of Liberals repeated the hi jacking of the party in 2008 to prevent another democratic contest between Rae, Leblanc and Ignatieff?Clearly democracy has been extinguished in the Liberals for years and the Rob Ford phenomena is not understand in the Bay Street boys club.

  • http://canadiansense.blogspot.com/ Canadiansense

    EPIC FAIL.NANOS poll does not support your Liberal world view. The mafia theme ties nicely to the Liberal party, thank you for pissing off the Italian community and suggesting corruption and murder is acceptable humour in Canadian politics.The braintrust in the LPOC are running on empty calling us chubby chasers and denying the tax and spend record.Democracy is something Liberals don’t understand or accept.Ignatieff benefited from a female, a visible minority stepping aside in a safe seat?Ignatieff was able to secure the nomination through candidates being locked out in the safe seat?Police were on duty to prevent violence for his acceptance.A small cadre of Liberals repeated the hi jacking of the party in 2008 to prevent another democratic contest between Rae, Leblanc and Ignatieff?Clearly democracy has been extinguished in the Liberals for years and the Rob Ford phenomena is not understand in the Bay Street boys club.

  • http://canadiansense.blogspot.com/ Canadiansense

    EPIC FAIL.NANOS poll does not support your Liberal world view. The mafia theme ties nicely to the Liberal party, thank you for pissing off the Italian community and suggesting corruption and murder is acceptable humour in Canadian politics.The braintrust in the LPOC are running on empty calling us chubby chasers and denying the tax and spend record.Democracy is something Liberals don’t understand or accept.Ignatieff benefited from a female, a visible minority stepping aside in a safe seat?Ignatieff was able to secure the nomination through candidates being locked out in the safe seat?Police were on duty to prevent violence for his acceptance.A small cadre of Liberals repeated the hi jacking of the party in 2008 to prevent another democratic contest between Rae, Leblanc and Ignatieff?Clearly democracy has been extinguished in the Liberals for years and the Rob Ford phenomena is not understand in the Bay Street boys club.

  • jmw

    Yes, Gayle. I have voted for Keith in the past, before I realized that he is not the principled guy that he makes himself out to be. In one example out of many, I called him out for taking credit for a Senior’s facility expansion that he had nothing to do with, and he bald-faced lied about it on local radio. Yes, I know of several hundred people who specifically voted for Keith on the basis of his previous position on the Long Gun Registry. There are many active clubs such as the B.C. Wildlife Federation, the Angler’s Club, the Malahat Gun Club and many others in his riding who strongly support the abolition of the Registry. This riding is a coastal one where there is a very active group known as the South Vancouver Island Rangers. They are a group of civilians who have a long history of protecting our coastline with a membership of over 250. For 15 years, (Keith has been an MP for 17 years) he held many talks with the aforementioned groups, supporting long gun owners and advocating for the abolition of the Registry. So, like Stoffer, the reasons offered for their change in position remain highly suspect. The response in our local papers to Keith’s announcement has been significant and 90% of those responses have not been kind to Keith. His excuse that the “police want it” makes no sense. It is well established that over 40% of the registry is inaccurate, so it is not a reliable tool for the police to use. Knives and illegal hand guns are used far more often than long guns. The police know it and we know it.

  • jmw

    Yes, Gayle. I have voted for Keith in the past, before I realized that he is not the principled guy that he makes himself out to be. In one example out of many, I called him out for taking credit for a Senior’s facility expansion that he had nothing to do with, and he bald-faced lied about it on local radio. Yes, I know of several hundred people who specifically voted for Keith on the basis of his previous position on the Long Gun Registry. There are many active clubs such as the B.C. Wildlife Federation, the Angler’s Club, the Malahat Gun Club and many others in his riding who strongly support the abolition of the Registry. This riding is a coastal one where there is a very active group known as the South Vancouver Island Rangers. They are a group of civilians who have a long history of protecting our coastline with a membership of over 250. For 15 years, (Keith has been an MP for 17 years) he held many talks with the aforementioned groups, supporting long gun owners and advocating for the abolition of the Registry. So, like Stoffer, the reasons offered for their change in position remain highly suspect. The response in our local papers to Keith’s announcement has been significant and 90% of those responses have not been kind to Keith. His excuse that the “police want it” makes no sense. It is well established that over 40% of the registry is inaccurate, so it is not a reliable tool for the police to use. Knives and illegal hand guns are used far more often than long guns. The police know it and we know it.

  • jmw

    Yes, Gayle. I have voted for Keith in the past, before I realized that he is not the principled guy that he makes himself out to be. In one example out of many, I called him out for taking credit for a Senior’s facility expansion that he had nothing to do with, and he bald-faced lied about it on local radio. Yes, I know of several hundred people who specifically voted for Keith on the basis of his previous position on the Long Gun Registry. There are many active clubs such as the B.C. Wildlife Federation, the Angler’s Club, the Malahat Gun Club and many others in his riding who strongly support the abolition of the Registry. This riding is a coastal one where there is a very active group known as the South Vancouver Island Rangers. They are a group of civilians who have a long history of protecting our coastline with a membership of over 250. For 15 years, (Keith has been an MP for 17 years) he held many talks with the aforementioned groups, supporting long gun owners and advocating for the abolition of the Registry. So, like Stoffer, the reasons offered for their change in position remain highly suspect. The response in our local papers to Keith’s announcement has been significant and 90% of those responses have not been kind to Keith. His excuse that the “police want it” makes no sense. It is well established that over 40% of the registry is inaccurate, so it is not a reliable tool for the police to use. Knives and illegal hand guns are used far more often than long guns. The police know it and we know it.

  • jmw

    And Stoffer’s survey should be taken seriously? Of interest, in talking with Candace Hoeppner, the author of Bill 391 to remove long guns from the Registry, she reported that since last year she has had NO negative responses from front-line police officers about this bill. She has had, however, several hundred positive responses from police officers to scrap the registry. They have also requested anonymity in order to protect their jobs.
    I am not at all surprised that the publisher of Blue Line was forced to recant, but that doesn’t change Ed Kuntz’s position (the author of the survey). As they say, follow the money.

  • Liz J

    When cops answer a call to a disturbance, domestic or whatever, they always assume there is a gun involved and act accordingly. This isn’t my pipe dream, it comes from a retired police officer friend and the same from a family member who was District Superintendent in the police force.

    If a gun is registered to a specific person at a specific address and gets stolen, the place that gun ends up, perhaps at another residence where there’s threat of violence and the police are called, and that residence had no registered gun, how would the registry help in this scenario?

  • Liz J

    When cops answer a call to a disturbance, domestic or whatever, they always assume there is a gun involved and act accordingly. This isn’t my pipe dream, it comes from a retired police officer friend and the same from a family member who was District Superintendent in the police force.

    If a gun is registered to a specific person at a specific address and gets stolen, the place that gun ends up, perhaps at another residence where there’s threat of violence and the police are called, and that residence had no registered gun, how would the registry help in this scenario?

  • Liz J

    When cops answer a call to a disturbance, domestic or whatever, they always assume there is a gun involved and act accordingly. This isn’t my pipe dream, it comes from a retired police officer friend and the same from a family member who was District Superintendent in the police force.

    If a gun is registered to a specific person at a specific address and gets stolen, the place that gun ends up, perhaps at another residence where there’s threat of violence and the police are called, and that residence had no registered gun, how would the registry help in this scenario?

  • Anonymous

    The perception that the registry contains incomplete information was cause for concern among some officers interviewed, who felt they could not depend on the registry to give them an accurate insight as to whether or not there were firearms present in a dwelling.

    If the registry is incomplete, its due in large part to the CPC’s constant efforts to discredit it, simply so that they can keep it alive as a wedge issue.

  • Anonymous

    EPIC FAIL.

    You’re Epic Lame. Time for a new catch-phrase, maybe?

    The mafia theme ties nicely to the Liberal party, thank you for pissing off the Italian community and suggesting corruption and murder is acceptable humour in Canadian politics.

    WTF are you smoking? Where have I mentioned ANY of that? If you’re referring to something else, FFS provide the reference.

    Your internet licence needs to be revoked. It’s not like you use it to learn anything.

    CanadianDense, indeed.

  • Gabby in QC

    “Maybe reread it and try again.”
    Same old, same old, Gayle.

    The quote from the RCMP report — which you have probably not read — may not state “a majority” of the rank & file supports the registry.

    But the quote DOES counter your assertion: “You have absolutely no evidence to support your suggestion the rank and file are not in favour of the registry.”

    QED.

  • Anonymous

    Regardless, if the LGR is saved tomorrow there is going to be a suicide or other murder by said long gun and the opposition will have to explain why it happened, the LGR would prevent suicides and murders and other mayhem. The police chiefs will have to take the blame cause they say the registry prevents such things. The first policeman killed can be blamed on the opposition and police chiefs.

    That’s insane. No-one’s claiming the LGR will completely end any long-gun killings. It is most effective for knowing whether a legally owned gun may be present when officers are responding to a domestic violence call, or family/neighbourhood dispute, or someone’s suicidal or deranged. These sorts of calls are much more common than the gang/criminal scenarios that LGR opponents keep bringing up, and knowing in advance that a registered gun is on the premises can make a big difference in how to approach a situation.

    I’d say that the CPC have to answer for their actions that have encouraged people to NOT register their weapons. If someone is shot by a legally-owned weapon that wasn’t registered, so law enforcement wouldn’t know about it, the blood will be on your hands.

  • Anonymous

    Of course the police must be prepared for anything. But knowing is still better than assuming.

    If a gun is registered to a specific person at a specific address and gets stolen, the place that gun ends up, perhaps at another residence where there’s threat of violence and the police are called, and that residence had no registered gun, how would the registry help in this scenario?

    We can play scenarios all day. (or not). The fact remains that the “stolen” long-gun scenario is less common than the situations where a registered long gun may be present.

  • http://canadiansense.blogspot.com/ Canadiansense

    Do you have any proof the auditor general Sheila Fraser is a CPC operative and her incomplete audit was fake?

    My theory is Liberal apologists are very upset people don’t rely on the Toronto Star or the CBC for facts anymore. The result is the myths and lies can’t stand up to commonsense.

  • http://canadiansense.blogspot.com/ Canadiansense

    As the default Liberal apologist citing the Toronto Star, CBC, Warren Kinsella and Glen Pearson for your talking points where are you going to get rely on non-partisan material?

    You deny the Nanos Poll findings support everywhere including DOWNTOWN. You than take up the mantle and invoke Tea Party as Democrats have done as “astro turf”.

    You may find the Mafia humour with Italians appropriate, some Liberals strategist also think it was a good decision.

    My prediction another 2% drop for the Smitherman and Rossi at the ballot if they last.

    The culture of entitlement is terrified.

  • Anonymous

    Go play in traffic.

  • Anonymous

    Go play in traffic.

  • http://canadiansense.blogspot.com/ Canadiansense

    Liberal thuggery on display?

    Interning Japanese, Italians, German, rounding up Quebecers during October Crisis, APEC Quebec City, pepper spraying students and media at UBC, rounding up 1100 protesters in Toronto this summer Liberals have a difficult time with the application of law and order.

    Arar, Khadr both under the Liberal watch.

    As an apologist for a dying political party I understand why you are so angry. Like the Reform, PC, Liberal banner has become obsolete.

    Best of luck with integrating the Bay Street boys club in the new coalition with Jack-Duceppe-May.

  • http://canadiansense.blogspot.com/ Canadiansense

    Liberal thuggery on display?

    Interning Japanese, Italians, German, rounding up Quebecers during October Crisis, APEC Quebec City, pepper spraying students and media at UBC, rounding up 1100 protesters in Toronto this summer Liberals have a difficult time with the application of law and order.

    Arar, Khadr both under the Liberal watch.

    As an apologist for a dying political party I understand why you are so angry. Like the Reform, PC, Liberal banner has become obsolete.

    Best of luck with integrating the Bay Street boys club in the new coalition with Jack-Duceppe-May.

  • http://canadiansense.blogspot.com/ Canadiansense

    Liberal thuggery on display?

    Interning Japanese, Italians, German, rounding up Quebecers during October Crisis, APEC Quebec City, pepper spraying students and media at UBC, rounding up 1100 protesters in Toronto this summer Liberals have a difficult time with the application of law and order.

    Arar, Khadr both under the Liberal watch.

    As an apologist for a dying political party I understand why you are so angry. Like the Reform, PC, Liberal banner has become obsolete.

    Best of luck with integrating the Bay Street boys club in the new coalition with Jack-Duceppe-May.

  • Liz J

    Keep digging.

    It’s worth noting all the major newspapers are not on side with Iggy, Jack and Gilles, the coalition troika from Hell.

  • Anonymous

    It’s worth noting all the major newspapers are not on side with Iggy, Jack and GillesOMG. Does this mean that the MSM is no longer biased? Should we order a cake? It was a full moon last night…

  • Gayle

    No. It doesn’t.

    It says some people have reservations about it’s usefulness in all circumstances. That is not the same thing as saying they do not support maintaining the registry.

    (and yes, I have read the report).

  • Gayle

    No. It doesn’t.

    It says some people have reservations about it’s usefulness in all circumstances. That is not the same thing as saying they do not support maintaining the registry.

    (and yes, I have read the report).

  • Gayle

    “And Stoffer’s survey should be taken seriously?”

    Who said that? He explained why he has taken the position he has. Some people here are suggesting he is lying. I am not.

    I could not care less about what Hoeppner says the police think. I care about what the police say the police think.

  • Gayle

    “And Stoffer’s survey should be taken seriously?”

    Who said that? He explained why he has taken the position he has. Some people here are suggesting he is lying. I am not.

    I could not care less about what Hoeppner says the police think. I care about what the police say the police think.

  • Gayle

    I guess we shall see then, but I must say I question your knowledge of people who vote for him and why. I cannot help but notice you do not vote for him.

    I believe that most people whose vote is based on the registry already have abandonned the liberals. In his case he may lose because of this vote, but I doubt there will be any more liberals who do so.

  • Gayle

    I guess we shall see then, but I must say I question your knowledge of people who vote for him and why. I cannot help but notice you do not vote for him.

    I believe that most people whose vote is based on the registry already have abandonned the liberals. In his case he may lose because of this vote, but I doubt there will be any more liberals who do so.

  • Gayle

    Ha ha ha

    Your attempts to change the subject and launch into a personal attack are just so obvious.

    Keep it up though. When I need a laugh I always know where I can find you.

  • Gayle

    Ha ha ha

    Your attempts to change the subject and launch into a personal attack are just so obvious.

    Keep it up though. When I need a laugh I always know where I can find you.

  • Gabby in QC

    “and yes, I have read the report”

    If you had really read it, you wouldn’t have made the categorical statement you made earlier, to wit:
    “2. You have absolutely no evidence to support your suggestion the rank and file are not in favour of the registry. Just pure wishful thinking on your part. ”

    You then changed your tune to:
    “1. No, you do not have first hand evidence the majority of the rank and file support abolishing the registry. The very fact you refuse to provide your “evidence” is proof of that. So very, very weak Liz.”
    When was that? Four hours AFTER I quoted a passage from the RCMP report to counter your initial statement.

    Good job, Gayle, the master prevaricator.

  • Gabby in QC

    “and yes, I have read the report”

    If you had really read it, you wouldn’t have made the categorical statement you made earlier, to wit:
    “2. You have absolutely no evidence to support your suggestion the rank and file are not in favour of the registry. Just pure wishful thinking on your part. ”

    You then changed your tune to:
    “1. No, you do not have first hand evidence the majority of the rank and file support abolishing the registry. The very fact you refuse to provide your “evidence” is proof of that. So very, very weak Liz.”
    When was that? Four hours AFTER I quoted a passage from the RCMP report to counter your initial statement.

    Good job, Gayle, the master prevaricator.

  • Gabby in QC

    What is the matter with this site?
    Is there a time limit to the composition of a reply?
    Is there a limit to how many replies one can post at a given time?

    One of my replies has been “rejected” time and again with this kind of verbiage:
    “bad JSON: {“method”: “postComment.onFailure”, “params”: [{“message”: “Get thee some captcha”, “code”: “captcha-required”, “succeeded”: false, “request”: {“post”: {“message”:

  • Liz J

    Something odd for sure, Gabby. Perhaps we better move on outta here.

  • Anonymous

    LGR lives to fight another election (shoving aside real issues)

  • Anonymous

    Web mechanics. Anyways, it seems to have been fixed.

  • Littlevoice

    What are the ages of the NDP who voted against the gun registry? Are their pensions safe?

  • Littlevoice

    What are the ages of the NDP who voted against the gun registry? Are their pensions safe?

  • Gayle

    Gabby, Gabby, Gabby.

    Clearly you had some trouble understanding this the first time around. Let me try again.

    The quote you provide demonstrates that some officers are uncertain the registry is useful for some things. While I understand your tendance to take some words and pretend they mean something totally different, it simply is not the case here.

    There is NO evidence the rank and file do not support the registry.

    Now, since you have quickly reverted to your tiresome habit of pretending one word means something totally different, I will end this little discussion.

    Do have a nice day.

  • Mthielen

    Linda Duncan from AB is a second term ndp mp-her first and last. No pension.

  • Mthielen

    solving a crime is done after the fact, not before the fact. And the registry is accessed after an assault or dispute, not before, so it does not prevent anything. And then, only if the assault or dispute is reported to police. The registry does not prevent anything.
    There is no way of knowing when they stop a car for whatever, if the driver of the car is the registered owner, or if a passenger is there, or if said passenger has a gun.
    So, every time they stop someone or are called somewhere they must be prepared that there could be a gun there.

  • Mthielen

    solving a crime is done after the fact, not before the fact. And the registry is accessed after an assault or dispute, not before, so it does not prevent anything. And then, only if the assault or dispute is reported to police. The registry does not prevent anything.
    There is no way of knowing when they stop a car for whatever, if the driver of the car is the registered owner, or if a passenger is there, or if said passenger has a gun.
    So, every time they stop someone or are called somewhere they must be prepared that there could be a gun there.

  • Mthielen

    solving a crime is done after the fact, not before the fact. And the registry is accessed after an assault or dispute, not before, so it does not prevent anything. And then, only if the assault or dispute is reported to police. The registry does not prevent anything.
    There is no way of knowing when they stop a car for whatever, if the driver of the car is the registered owner, or if a passenger is there, or if said passenger has a gun.
    So, every time they stop someone or are called somewhere they must be prepared that there could be a gun there.

  • Mthielen

    Not whipped, but a lot of arms were twisted, it is all in the wording. Layton whipped his caucus and still some voted against him. And kiss Linda Duncan good bye next election, poor thing will get no pension.
    Did you catch the question of the day on Power and Politics, willopposition seats be lost due to todays vote.
    Question of the Day

    * September 22, 2010 3:16 PM | Comments83Recommend8
    * By Ryan Hicks

    Thank you for voting!
    Yes 62.98% (958 votes)
    No 34.45% (524 votes)
    Unsure 2.56% (39 votes)
    Total Votes: 1,521

  • Mthielen

    Not whipped, but a lot of arms were twisted, it is all in the wording. Layton whipped his caucus and still some voted against him. And kiss Linda Duncan good bye next election, poor thing will get no pension.
    Did you catch the question of the day on Power and Politics, willopposition seats be lost due to todays vote.
    Question of the Day

    * September 22, 2010 3:16 PM | Comments83Recommend8
    * By Ryan Hicks

    Thank you for voting!
    Yes 62.98% (958 votes)
    No 34.45% (524 votes)
    Unsure 2.56% (39 votes)
    Total Votes: 1,521

  • Mthielen

    Not whipped, but a lot of arms were twisted, it is all in the wording. Layton whipped his caucus and still some voted against him. And kiss Linda Duncan good bye next election, poor thing will get no pension.
    Did you catch the question of the day on Power and Politics, willopposition seats be lost due to todays vote.
    Question of the Day

    * September 22, 2010 3:16 PM | Comments83Recommend8
    * By Ryan Hicks

    Thank you for voting!
    Yes 62.98% (958 votes)
    No 34.45% (524 votes)
    Unsure 2.56% (39 votes)
    Total Votes: 1,521

  • Mthielen

    It only lost by 2 votes. And only because of whipping and threats. I really don’t see that iggy would kick any of his few mps out of caucus. What if the threat was, vote with me so we keep the liberal party, or vote against and Jack and I are going to form a coalition and you wont be part of it.
    What if that was the threat Layton also used in Regina. Remember, he admitted that he had worked on his coalition plan before the last election. Wonder what is on the rest of that tape.