Now, more than ever

There’s an old adage that says that one is judged by the company they keep. While I think that this may be a bit too simplistic at times, I find that time and time again, the comments sections some of the media “of record” in this country reflect a readership at home.

Take for instance, this top comment at the CBC:

and this attempt at the Globe and Mail:

Those thumbs up/thumbs down votes are telling of the state of Canadian media these days. CBC and the Globe sing to the choir and the applecart of comfortable thought remains unturned.

Is there a market for Sun TV News? Fox News in the US has the most politically diverse audience (Republican/Democrat split) and I believe the same will be true for Sun News. Conservatives will find a home there to be sure, but left-wingers will also clamour to fight back the threatening barbarians climbing the gate of their mainstream, of their order now challenged.

Do you think there is a market for Sun TV News?

Comments

comments

  • GunnarBill

    I think there is a market for Sun News just as there is a market for Sun papers. When in discussion with those that are deploring such media as Fox News in Canada, be sure to point out that our version of a conservation tv channel in Canada will differ from the American model most likely.

    As for the G&M and CBC blogs, those thumbs up and down figures can be narrowed if we conservatives log in and vote our values.

    Notes:

    CBC – the moderators favour comments from lefties. This becomes obvious after awhile when one wonders why his/her comment didn’t appear, and why one of the lefties has 3 or 4 comments posted to the article. (When I get time, I intend to take this up with CBC as they seem more sensitive these days to charges of bias.) Even so, go there to comment and vote. Ideas matter.

    G&M – Compared with CBC, it has a more fair treatment of comments. But, be sure to comment early in the morning because I have noted few changes in thumbs up/down or comments as the day closes.

    General – I seldom debate with others as few come back to riposte or even to see if their comment was published. Take the news item and comment on it from a conservative perspective. Note the time you posted as it will help you locate it later. Check in an hour or so to see if it was published. Vote thumbs-up for it, and then get on with other things.

  • GunnarBill

    I think there is a market for Sun News just as there is a market for Sun papers. When in discussion with those that are deploring such media as Fox News in Canada, be sure to point out that our version of a conservation tv channel in Canada will differ from the American model most likely.

    As for the G&M and CBC blogs, those thumbs up and down figures can be narrowed if we conservatives log in and vote our values.

    Notes:

    CBC – the moderators favour comments from lefties. This becomes obvious after awhile when one wonders why his/her comment didn’t appear, and why one of the lefties has 3 or 4 comments posted to the article. (When I get time, I intend to take this up with CBC as they seem more sensitive these days to charges of bias.) Even so, go there to comment and vote. Ideas matter.

    G&M – Compared with CBC, it has a more fair treatment of comments. But, be sure to comment early in the morning because I have noted few changes in thumbs up/down or comments as the day closes.

    General – I seldom debate with others as few come back to riposte or even to see if their comment was published. Take the news item and comment on it from a conservative perspective. Note the time you posted as it will help you locate it later. Check in an hour or so to see if it was published. Vote thumbs-up for it, and then get on with other things.

  • Novadog

    Advise for Sun TV News, keep sitting MP panels off air. It's a waste of time listening to 3 or 4 MP's spinning lies and rhetoric, it just more fuel for gossip's like Taber. Beck, O'Rielly, Huckabee and Hannity rarely have sitting politician panels. Believe me these panels are turn-offs.

  • GunnarBill

    I agree with Novadog in cases where a panel of two or more MPs interrupting each other is the feature. One on one interviews are fine especially when the MP is interesting and articulate.

  • http://twitter.com/Alex_Rayner Alex Rayner

    I think there most definitely is a market, and the squawking from the established media (I'm looking at you, Don Newman) probably means that they think there is too. I have never really bought into this whole “Liberal Party is the natural ruling party of Canada” spin and like many I think Canada is a much more conservative place than some would have us believe. Simply put, Taneycke et al. have correctly identified an underserved market and time will tell if they are successful.

    The big pitfalls I see though stem from Taneycke's comment that this new station will have a very similar feel to the Sun newspapers. I am only really familiar with the Edmonton and Calgary Sun papers, but their primary strength is local news. Beyond that, their tabloid format tends to be a bit watered down and I much prefer the more thorough coverage of the Journal and Herald even if they take a different stance on the issues… readership numbers would seem to confirm that I'm not the only one. I think if Sun News wants to have any success, it needs to compete on the same level as CBC and CTV and not appear as a smaller, watered down station, just as Fox News goes head to head with MSNBC and CNN or the National Post has done against the G&M.

    Other than that, it just has to do exactly what Taneycke has promised: it needs real, lively political debate, it needs a new take on politics, and it needs to challenge its competitors and the established opinions of the MSM. I don't want another Fox News that claims to be fair and balanced despite having an obvious conservative slant – we already have our own form of that in the CBC (but from the other side of the spectrum… its taxpayer funded status adds a whole new layer of slime). A conservative perspective is fine and something that I welcome, but for there to be real debate, the commentators and panelists can't all be agreeing with each other.

  • http://thefutureamerican.wordpress.com Jess Chapman

    CBC, CTV, and the Globe don't have a liberal bias, but they do have a boredom bias. Assuming everything is kept policy-oriented and more respectable than Fox (not hard to do as its biggest star right now is a certifiable nutjob), the Canadian news media could do with more editorializing than it gets at the moment. Thus there is definitely a market for Sun TV News, especially among younger Canadian politicos who are just starting to break into the media/business/government sectors. I would personally love to see a panel show featuring one liberal, one conservative, and one centrist (I'm available!) between 20-35 or so; I can think of no news network anywhere that caters specifically to this age range.

    In response to the other two comments, a panel of sitting MPs might make a good Sunday afternoon show, but not prime-time.

  • batb

    Do you think there is a market for Sun TV News?

    ABSOLUTELY! Bring it on! 'Can't happen fast enough.

    If nothing else, to spite the malicious Don Newman and his arrogant angst against Kory Teneycke on Evan Soloman's Power and Politics the other day. See the video at Dr. Roy's Thoughts (under Older Posts). Newman's nasty and hectoring entitlement is something to behold.

    The left-lib spin in most of the Canadian media — especially galling at the CBC because it gets over $1-billion/year from the Canadian taxpayers — has deprived Canadians of fairness and balance in news reporting for way too long. More choice and greater access to intelligent, thoughtful, and considered opinion from conservative commentators — many of whom are unknown to most Canadians as these individuals have largely been left out of the media loop — will be a welcome change in our Dystopian and Deranged Dominion.

  • tony

    If that claim about the Fox News audience is true then it can only be because Dem viewers like a good laugh. I'm one of many Canadian Conservatives who doesn't line up with the Republicans and while I agree that we need a new news voice in Canada I sincerely hope Sun News is not going to model itself after Fox News.

    There's certainly a market for a non-left wing news slant in Canada and I'll watch Sun News with the hope that we don't have a Canadian version of Bill O'Reilly or Ann Coulter on there.

  • skipper

    re: G&M I gave the Con view and the number didn't move. Then gave the Lib view and sure enough it did go up. I did this a few times and got the Lib numbers to go up and nothing for the Conservative view.
    Really I think conservatives should give up trying to get the numbers up and everyone give the Liberal view so the numbers will be a complete farce…
    Can't believe how mean some of the comments are though!

  • http://euge.ca/ theProject

    I have a solution for the thumbs up/thumbs down counters on CBC articles. It's a browser extension that vanishes the entire social comments section.

    Saves me up to an hour of aggravating reading every day.

  • tt2233

    YES, YES DEFINITELY YES.
    MOSY OF THE MEDIA WILL HAVE ONE OR TWO REPORTERS WITH CONSERVATIVE VIEW POINTS AND TENS OF LEFTIES AND EMANY EXTREME LEFTIES.

  • Kathy

    A market for Sun TV News, of course. We have been too long without a right-wing perspective in this country. I hope that they are planning on skipping the sensationalism. It might work in the USA but I don't think it will go over well in Canada.

  • jad

    I wouldn't get too concerned with the thumbs up/thumbs down numbers because I imagine a lot of people, like me, find the comments in general, particularly at the Globe, so disgusting and abusive we never even read them. What is the point in slogging through pages of gratuitous insults to the PM to find one or two nuggets of sense ?

  • Mark

    Forgive me if this has been pointed out, but take those 'thumbs' with a grain of salt. By disabling cookies and such in you browser settings, you can click 'agree' or 'disagree' as many times as you like and it will record all of them. It became apparent to me when a comment no more than 10 mins old (that stated the CPC should be voted out) had 1100 thumbs up. So I tried it myself and, indeed, it does work. That said, there are actually people who sit there and do this. Sad, but when the “Neo-Cons” are at work (you know, paying taxes….) these morons spend all day, well, clicking.

  • Eric the Blue

    If you don't think we need a Sun TV News just watch the June 20th edition of The National and Ayed's piece on Canada in the world. This was presented as hard news.

  • Liz J

    How could any Canadian journalist, free of any political or ideological agenda spout such tripe?
    What sort of blinders do these people wear not to be aware Canada is the envy of the industrialized world?

    Ayed should be ashamed of herself, not Canada ,for spouting such awful drivel. The CBC needs to hear our objections on this one, it's scandalous, it's wrong, it's false. This is the stuff that screams out for the new TV network.

  • Eric the Blue
  • Rob

    This is exactly why we NEED a different news source like Sun TV News. I'm more drawn to the patriotism, anti-establishment, and less politically correct aspects the network states it will portray. Also when Kory said they would be confronting issues with the other news networks, be sure you'd find commentators taking issue with “reporting” like that. Absolutely revolting that something like that gets played on the national news hour of our national broadcaster, paid for by the taxpayers of the very country it's insulting.