What the Conservatives might say about Ignatieff and abortion

The Prime Minister at the World Economic Forum last week announced an initiative to put the health of mothers and children on the agenda at the G8 conference this summer.

Instead of cheering or at least giving an approving nod to a laudable policy topic, Liberal leader Michael Ignatieff decided to make a rare pronouncement on policy. This time it was about abortion of all things.

Abortion has been a topic that is scantly discussed and rarely debated, if at all, within the realm of public policy in the last couple of decades. How it has come up now, represents an objectionable political goal for Michael Ignatieff. The Liberal leader is looking for a wedge.

To respond to politics, the Conservatives should consider responding politically. In this case, to neutralize the issue. Many Canadians feel strongly about the topic, but nothing but failure (for both sides) can come from playing politics with the issue.

Here’s what the Conservatives might say about Michael Ignatieff’s flirtation with abortion policy,

“Mr. Ignatieff doesn’t seem to realize that in the past 34 years, we Canadians closed the divisive debate on abortion in this country. This topic has split families and the debate has caused heartache for countless Canadians. We are saddened by Mr. Ignatieff’s attempt to reopen the topic for discussion and to callously use the philosophical debate over life and the exercise of reproductive rights as a political football to be tossed about carelessly.

Mr. Ignatieff we’ve moved past this. We will not allow you to bring the American-style politics of abortion to this country as a wedge issue to divide Canadians.

Canadians that we’re consulting these days are concerned about jobs and the economic recovery. While Mr. Ignatieff wants to hold university style seminar discussions about abortion, we’re focused on phase II of our Economic Action Plan.”

It should also be noted that the only leadership of any party to try and reopen the debate on abortion in recent memory has been that of the Liberal Party, mostly as a wedge issue to imply that the Conservatives have a hidden agenda on social issues. If merely revisiting the Canadian abortion debate is a slippery slope for pro-choice activists, why applaud Liberals when they keep bringing it up and condemn Conservatives for their non-agitation on the issue?

In reality, this move by Ignatieff reflects desperation. The abortion maneuver by Liberals is always done when the Liberals have nothing left to talk about. In this case, the Conservatives should deprive Ignatieff of oxygen on the issue and ignore it completely for the cheap attempt that it is.

Comments

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  • roughandtumble

    batb , one simple sentence to your nonsensical response.

    Ask any doctor in Canada to perform an abortion after 8 weeks into any healthy pregnancy. they simply will not nor will Morgentaler's clinics if I recall their terms correctly.

  • roughandtumble

    Is everything you do and write have to be in the past tense……….catch up little woman and join the present.

    Your stuff about past Liberal sins is garabge to boot. A $60BB structural defict and an unethical government that treats parliament as a toy is what we have at present.

  • roughandtumble

    batb….I suggest you do yours with the medical profession as a start. They control the abortion procedures and have standards they follow.

  • roughandtumble

    batb….I'm currently in the master bedroom retreat on the third floor of my house. sorry to disappoint.

    The rest of your gibberish should be directed at Harper who gave charest around $1BB in pure bribe money just before the last provincial election. And harper's your boy.

  • roughandtumble

    sorry batb…I will go back to my 1950's cave and communicate with you. If that doesn't open up the communication channel for our sex talk I'll redial back to the victorian age.

    If that doesn't work I'll jon a monestery and be pure of soul and whip myself everytime I get a sexual temptation.

    What a joke you are.

  • roughandtumble

    And Harper is a bush wannabe….I'll take my chances with communists who are in a death spiral these days.

  • roughandtumble

    Brusmit, stayon topic if you can. when ar ethe Tories going to honour the SC judgement and return the money to the EI fund and manage it spearately from general funds.

  • roughandtumble

    I live in the present and currently the polls show the libs would win 121 seats to 110 fro the Tories if an election was held last week. A majority liberal government is possible later this year as the Harpercrites disintegrate into an unethical mess of their own doing.

  • kenn2

    Give me ONE example of an on-demand abortion of a healthy fetus in the 2nd or 3rd trimester that was performed in Canada.

    If it's not happening, it would seem that adequate protections are already in place. You make a big deal about a person's ethics and self-control playing a part in their sexual behaviour, so why do you think people and doctors aren't able to behave ethically in terms of when an abortion is performed?

  • kenn2

    You couldn't tell science from a card trick.

  • m123T

    Talk about a short memory, eastern money was not involved in opening up AB oil industry. When our Premier of the day went east to Bay Street and others he was laughed at and was refused any money. But, american investors jumped at the chance and made a lot of money. My memory is fine, and you have just proven to all you have no clue.
    As usualy, Alberta had to do it alone, without the east, when Turner Valley started.
    And yes, I am a typical Alberta redneck and proud of it.

  • m123T

    Funny thing, the executive director of EKOS had a completely different take on the results of the same poll, and the seat distribution of same. And if libs are moving ahead with the women's vote we need a lot of help to save our country. Thinking of the female liberals in the HofC, we don't need more of them. I can't believe there are so many women voting liberal so they can have an abortion. They can get one without forcing us to pay for abortions in all the countries of the world.
    Most of those women have probably never been or ever will get pregnant from the looks of them.
    Liberalsl equal culture of death.

  • kenn2

    Speaking of changing topics… I think I counted 4 in the above ramble.

    Eugenics. You do know what that means don't you? So if we have this eugenics program running, what are we breeding and selecting for then… Aryans? big knockers? polygamy? Our big (Liberal) urban centers are awash in people from all corners of the globe, all religions, all colours, all partying and sleeping together (oops, sorry, scratch that) and producing beautiful babies in all different hues. Pretty crappy eugenics, if that's the goal.

    Only one thing really worth mentioning:
    You are a fan of taxes to fund political parties and groups who share the same views.

    I am a fan of public funding of ALL political parties, even ones with views as skewed as yours, so that elections can't be bought by special interest groups or corporations.

  • kenn2

    The cost of contraceptive pills and spermicidal foam, not to mention condoms, etc. is much higher than you think, because you don't look past the end of your nose.

    Heh. Condoms. Bought'em and used'em. Even drunk. I know what they cost. Same with the pill (Ok I didn't use it, gf did, but I know what they cost. And, ever heard of drug plans?)

    You totally dodged the main point that contraception is much less expensive than an abortion.

    There are risks to taking the pill, which have to do with strokes (labelled as a risk in the U.S.) and with a surfeit of estrogen — a known trigger for cancer — in a woman's system. The Human Papilloma Virus (HPV), contracted by roughly 40% of sexually active women, is the main cause of cervical cancer. Well, you say, now there's a vaccine — yeah, and more cash for the pharmaceuticals.

    HPV first – you would begrudge giving $20 an injection to “big pharma” to virtually eliminate the risk of cervical cancer in a girl's lifetime. Really?

    Breast cancer is affected by estrogen use and possibly by vitamin D. Most women using “the pill” are off it by their 30's. Biggest source of that extra estrogen is HRT (hormone replacement therapy) given to alleviate menopausal symptoms. Are their risks to using the pill? yes, but they are acceptably low, and, frankly, childbirth has more risk than the pill.

    Modern condoms are quite effective, and they are easy (and fun!) to put on, even drunk. And you know what, they do reduce the transmission of many STDs. Look it up.

    There were (and are) times and places where public mores (eg sharia law), family discipline, and brute force kept the amount of out-of marriage sex down, but there was NEVER a time when underage or extramarital sex didn't go on. And, Bristol Palin… Sexual freedom is a right, and we have the experience, tools and knowledge to prevent unwanted pregnancy and reduce the harms, which benefits not only the individuals, but also the society.

    You are free and welcome to practice and preach your values. But there's no excuse for withholding knowledge, or for forcing people to live as you dictate.

  • http://canadiansense.blogspot.com/ Canadiansense

    Poor Parnel,

    Can't read or too lazy. The SCC did not rule on the return, they said it was illegal for the Liberals to raise the tax inside the cabinet and not putting it to vote in parliament. Try to keep up next time.

  • http://canadiansense.blogspot.com/ Canadiansense

    Parnel,
    The just visiting annointed leader was rejected for his pro American Empire positions. His defence and statements calling our peacekeeping bogus is on tape. I accept your refuse to admit Iffy believe's in the Jefferson Empire of spreading democracy to those less developed world. Sadly the plain facts of declaring himself an American, support of torture is above your paygrade.

  • kenn2

    My family has paid full-price for my children to get a university education

    What do you mean “full price”? No Canadian family pays full price for university. Unless you mean… (unspeakably horrid thought)

    …with Alberta doing the heavy lifting.

    What I admire most about Albertans is how they knew to bury all those dinosaurs in one place so that they could dig them up again 2 zillion years later. But why'd you have to go and mix in all that sand?

    I do know many proud Albertans. Most are Ontarians who moved out there before the housing prices shot up.

    *ducks*

  • m123T

    And most of those moving here from Ontario can't believe how stupid they were to vote liberal when in the east. Most are strong Conservatives now. But you do know that Fort Mac is the capitol of NFLD, due to all the NFLDers living there and making a great living.

  • kenn2

    A Nfld friend described Ft McMurray as a cat litter box. You jump in, you do your business, you jump out. Not much of a nice place to live, apparently.

  • m123T

    But it sure is a great place to make money. For many years the workers from the east came, worked all summer, made lots of money and lived on EI the rest of the year, enjoying exotic places. The bottom dropped out a little when companies quit paying for flights back and forth. Over 1000 NFLDers got their pink slips during the Christmas holidays, when they would be back in their province, and away from AB health care, welfare, UI stats ect. Those that wanted to come back to work had to either live in Ft Mac or pay their own way back and forth. The sad fact is that they supported their families back home and spent little money in AB. And even at tax time, we didn't get their taxes as you pay provincial taxes in the province you are living in as of Dec 31.
    Now, the majority of workers in Ft Mac work year round, and make mega bucks. And it stays in AB.
    A lot of them have moved their families, bought homes in rural AB and still go back and forth every 2-3 wks. And again, most vote conservative after a year or so of living in AB.

  • kenn2

    What is Alberta's plan for when the oil runs out?

  • m123T

    Talk about that in about 100 years. By that time maybe the liberals of Ont will have discovered some green jobs.

  • http://canadiansense.blogspot.com/ Canadiansense

    Energy is a provincial file, the Albertans have a provincial gov't. Alberta has more “windfarms” up than Ontario btw. Next ?

    Sad how little information you actually know about women, Alberta but insist your leftist solution is best. Do you have a Mao, Fidel, PET poster above your bed?

  • http://canadiansense.blogspot.com/ Canadiansense

    Poor Parnel,

    When you have to refer to Giggles for support and cherry picking a poll it's game over. Best of luck , don't forget to blame Iffy for the problems when he produces another “Dion” result.
    It can't be simple fact voters have left for various other parties and have not returned for numerous reasons. Until the numbers return, you reform the Junta the cheapseats is the new normal.

  • http://canadiansense.blogspot.com/ Canadiansense

    Funny how all the poster boys are being investigated for their naughty behaviour. Looks India has dumped their poster boy and will be setting up their own Climate Change Agency. The AGWists at the UN-IPCC can't be trusted with real science any longer.

  • http://canadiansense.blogspot.com/ Canadiansense

    The left hate any religion that does not follow their dogma. If those “bible wavers” get uppity than they are labelled right wing extremists by the left.
    The left have their religion and humanity is not an intergral part of the equation. It is about control.

  • kenn2

    Alberta has more “windfarms” up than Ontario btw.

    …link? Not to argue, more out of genuine interest.

    Sad how little information you actually know about women

    … true. You are all wonderful, frustrating, bewitching creatures.

    Politically, I know what most women have said they want in terms of reproductive rights.

  • http://canadiansense.blogspot.com/ Canadiansense

    Sorry cracker, after requesting I “eat your shorts”, Ken don't qualify for links.

    No research for you!

  • kenn2

    I suppose I could call you a fibber and yell “prove it”. Would that be more in keeping with the spirit of our discussion?

    (You've been pretty free with the insults yerself…)

  • kenn2

    Was also cool to see Rick Mercer nailing the CPC on cancelling new IED-resistant armoured vehicles for our troops.

    http://www.rickmercer.com/blog/index.cfm/2010/1

  • http://www.nikonthenumbers.com/topics/show/75/9081#comment_9876 Taylor Cutforth

    Abortion in the developed world shouldn't even be necessary. I suppose the would be medical exceptions but if people would rely more on natural mid-wives rather medically induced births you would see a lot loss complications to begin with.

    Taking Charge
    of Your Fertility

    http://www.tcoyf.com/

    “The Fertility Awareness Method as a means of natural pregnancy achievement and avoidance as well as basic gynecological health.”

    Yep, its been working just fine for my wife and I. They should probably consider teaching it in schools.

    Just throwing this into the topic since it should help people who don't want to get pregnant in the first place if they really don't want to. Thus eventually making abortion issue obsolete, as less and less people wouldn't even begin to consider such a thing given all the more responsible methods available to date. Wouldn't people prefer to be in control of where and when they want to have a baby ? as in REAL “emancipation”?

    It should be no difficulty for anyone to become pro-life knowing that it really isn't all that difficult after all to avoid pregnancy if they so choose. Abortion itself should always be viewed as a tragic event… never a “stress” relieving one.

  • willkeith

    Sensitive issue, the termination of life in the womb. Good for the mother, bad for the fetus. Here's a thought. To prevent the use of abortion as a contraceptive, combine it with permanent sterilization.

  • willkeith

    Sensitive issue, the termination of life in the womb. Good for the mother, bad for the fetus. Here's a thought. To prevent the use of abortion as a contraceptive, combine it with permanent sterilization.