• glenstromquist

    Dang! Hedy's exposing the dastardly CPC and their jedi mind-tricks!

    Is THIS the best they can do??

    I mean, they wouldn't want to just come up with some.. maybe policies or something like that?

    I can hear the teeth-gnashing all the way from Alberta!

  • Beer and Popcorn

    Does the term 'acting like cornered rats' ring true to anyone else?

  • m123T

    How about the liberal red, with maple leaf, mittens for all the torch carriers, that are for sale at 10.00 each.
    I wont be buying any of them. Does that red match liberal red, or cbc red.

  • tedbetts

    So the Liberals took the national colour and logo used it as the base idea to create their own colour and logo, i.e. Canadian colours and logo came first; while the Conservatives did the reverse: took their own colour and logo and changed the Government of Canada branding colours to match theirs and used their own logo to brand cheques and government announcements and (as Hedy claims but I actually don't buy) the Olympic logo, i.e. the Conservative colour and logo came first.

    The fact that Harper has tried to re-brand the Canadian colours and make it the same as the Conservatives is small and not terribly important stuff. It is annoying and typical, but not that big a deal.

    So why try to imply the Liberals did the same thing, Stephen? Surely, you know your flag and Canadian logo history better than that?

  • Bruce

    If the Conservatives unilaterally changed the Maple Leaf and end bars to blue on the flag you might have a point, but until that happens ted you will just keep losing betts…………………………………….

  • jb1977

    If you know anything about history you would know that the Canadian flag for most of the 20th Century looks like the Ontario flag… It was the Liberals under Pearson who changed it to Red and White and it mimicked their party logo. I remember seeing a clip years ago of Diefenbaker making a speech at the time the new flag was being brought out and he was pointing out how it was basically a modified Liberal symbol…

  • Bec

    This is pathetic, honestly pathetic and I am so very tired of these small minded, over paid idiots that wander the hall of the HoC looking for a camera to record their latest brain fart.

    Look Hedy, the sky is blue, damn huh? The sky represents optimism, a 'new day' and happy vitamins, like D.
    You should try it Hedy, you negative, pessimistic, whining, fear mongering, battle axe!

    It's funny that blue is a soothing and relaxing color and red, is a halt, stop…….color!
    I'll leave it at that!!

  • Bec

    Blue IS a part of the history of Canada and could have just as easily been on the Canadian flag. Everyone that understands how the flag came to be the Maple Leaf, know this. Maybe not Ted?

    However, the Liberal leader has been known to compare it to a beer label so I'm not sure why he is allowing BLUE to be so disrespected??

  • glenstromquist
  • tedbetts

    Actually, you don't have that quite right Bec. In fact, quite wrong on two historical facts.

    1. Pearson proposed a flag that had two blue bars and a three-pronged maple leaf branch (symbolizing its English, French and Aboriginal founding nations). The colours – red, white and blue – were deliberately chosen as being the colours of the British Union Jack and the French Tricolor. They called it the Pearson pennant. In committee, the Diefenbaker Tories voted against that and in favour of the flag we have now. So you can blame Dief the Chief, instead of Pearson.

    2. Gordon Stanley, who created the current flag (the maple leaf was subsequently changed slightly), modelled his flag not on the Liberal colours or logo but on the Royal Canadian Mounted Police logo. The red pigment is the same as the RMC logo, the Union Jack and the Tricolor.

  • tedbetts

    Yes, those blue fall leaves are really one of my favourite.

    Read a little history, Bec. It will do you, but not necessarily your wrong-headed self-righteousness, a lot of good.

  • tedbetts

    Sorry jb1977, not bec on that comment.

    And sorry, not Royal Canadian Mounted Police – I'm typing to fast. Royal Military College of Canada.

    Here's the RMC logo upon which Stanley based his flag design: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Flag_of_the_R

  • Bec

    Seriously Ted, why are you so predictable?
    Always, always going low and pulling out the 'read a little history' card?
    You didn't mention it, Ted and if I wanted to cut and paste for your benefit, I could have but chose NOT to gob up Stephen's site.

    Check your responses, btw. You responded to me twice. One obviously more polite than the other, but then you knew that already didn't you Ted?
    Check to see to whom I responded. It wasn't you, Ted.

  • tedbetts

    “Seriously Ted, why are you so predictable?”

    Thank you, Bec. I do try to consistently use facts and as a historian try to consistently encourage all Canadians to read more history, especially those who demonstrate a clear lack of knowledge of it.

  • sandycrux

    Ted — This will age me but I was in high school when the Union Jack was replaced. We had to study all the various designs in class. That one sample you discuss was just that — one single design. The debate went on for some time.

    What I regret is that given so many gave their lives in both world wars to the Union Jack, our flag should have been red, white and blue to build on our previous history. What you won't want to hear, but which I can remember clearly, many had the impression at the time that because it was a Liberal government in power, they were only too happy to get rid of the “blue.”

    Anyway, knowing of you in a prevous life, I really am surprised at your attitude here.

  • Ronald

    Stupid is – As stupid does!
    Ladies and gentlemen, this is what the LPC has become – A superficial non-entity.
    Next dumb trick?

  • Ronald

    Stupid is – As stupid does!
    Ladies and gentlemen, this is what the LPC has become – A superficial non-entity.
    Next dumb trick?

  • Bec

    My recollection and research as well.
    The combination was to include the 'Blue', to incorporate the Union Jack and the French flag.

    Now I can take the time to collect my links but my Dad, has always told this story and I recollect that Raph may have had a similar story.

  • daveinguelph

    Liar, Liar, Cross On Fire.Why is this **** still getting a pay cheque?

  • daveinguelph

    Liar, Liar, Cross On Fire.Why is this **** still getting a pay cheque?

  • TangoJuliette

    Ah non, merde.
    And Sacre bleu. Quick. Run. Hide your crayons.

    It’s the COLOUR POLICE.

    Pantone. CYMK. RBG. and a reft of other colour matching systems. Did my BFA in 62. Lots of work on Colour, Colour theory. Reflective colour. Colour source. Wavelengths.etc etc etc.

    Any MGDC and AIGA or grade one art teacher can cast a whole lot more light on this latest librano faux-kerfuffle. These “progressive[?] politicians[?]” are living proof of the adage “Those, whom the Gods would destroy, They first make mad.” These yutzes are truly descending into therealm of pure, unadulterated “starkers.”

  • TangoJuliette

    Ah non, merde.
    And Sacre bleu. Quick. Run. Hide your crayons.

    It’s the COLOUR POLICE.

    Pantone. CYMK. RBG. and a reft of other colour matching systems. Did my BFA in 62. Lots of work on Colour, Colour theory. Reflective colour. Colour source. Wavelengths.etc etc etc.

    Any MGDC and AIGA or grade one art teacher can cast a whole lot more light on this latest librano faux-kerfuffle. These “progressive[?] politicians[?]” are living proof of the adage “Those, whom the Gods would destroy, They first make mad.” These yutzes are truly descending into therealm of pure, unadulterated “starkers.”

  • real conservative

    How about the ole’ story about why the Canadian Flag is Liberal Red?? Top that one!!

  • real conservative

    How about the ole’ story about why the Canadian Flag is Liberal Red?? Top that one!!

  • disappointed90210

    The use of Conservative logos on taxpayer funded cheques is unethical. It shows a lack of character on your part to defend these partisan practices.

  • m123T

    Is it true that a plank in iffy's campaign will be a pledge to eliminate the letter C from the alphabet and the colour blue (all shades) from the spectrum. Whatever will Crayola do.

  • Bec

    This post has nothing to do with your comment but if you consider cardboard props, negotiable then I'm off to Walmart as we speak.

    The 2 offensive logo cheques have been acknowledged as, inappropriate. We all have commented and have sent e-mails to the appropriate people but unethical? Perhaps stupid is a better characterization or add naive and over zealous.
    Unethical is a word that describes Adscam, an event that started in the mid 90's and was not uncovered until almost 10 years later. An event that was intentional and enabled.

    The cardboard cheques, complete with an inappropriate logo were documented by the 'bad boys'…they took a picture of themselves committing the act. Go figure?
    It would appear that they either WANTED to be caught or that they were just naively stupid.

  • terry1

    Cornered rats sound likes the tories with their Quebec scandals brewing and the fact they are hiding many many facts from Canadians.

  • terry1

    Harper is and he deserves it even less.

  • Richard

    The flag that almost was had blue bars, and 3 red leafs.
    It was close enough that you were actually able to buy one at the time.
    Much better design. IMO.

  • Richard

    The flag that almost was had blue bars, and 3 red leafs.
    It was close enough that you were actually able to buy one at the time.
    Much better design. IMO.

  • tedbetts

    I'm not sure what attitude you are talking about Sandy. I'm not trying to be contrarian here, just a historian.

    I'm not taking Hedy's side here and I am just laying out some historical facts and only two at that.

    1. Gordon Stanley designed what became of our flag and he was inspired by the logo of the Royal Military College of Canada, not the Liberal colours.

    2. The flag design came down to a vote in committee between the Gordon Stanley red on white and the Mike Pearson pennant blue borders, red leaves on white background. There were 14 on the committee and the Liberals did not have a majority. I think they had 6, Diefenbaker had 5 and then there were a few Dippers and one Social Credit. When it came to a vote, the Progressive Conservatives voted FOR the Stanley design and AGAINST Pearson's red, white and blue design.

    Those are facts, verifiable facts. And they don't even contradict your facts either. I don't have any problem hearing that there were many who opposed so I'm not quite sure what you mean by “what you don't want to hear”. The history of the opposition to this is an absolute fact as well. There was indeed a “Great Flag Debate” as they called it and many preferred the colony's position of carrying a foreign nation's flag as their own. According to polls, a vast majority did not want the Union Jack and wanted our own flag. Among those who wanted their own flag, of course, were those who wanted the Red Ensign as our own flag, but they did want our own flag.

    But in the end, the flag that was chosen was based on a military college's colours and logo, and the vote came down to two flags with the Diefenbaker Progressive Conservatives voted against the three-coloured flag.

  • Bec

    http://unambig.wordpress.com/2009/09/11/the-gre

    ” (Pearson himself preferred a design with three red maple leaves between two blue borders.)”

    Canadian Heritage
    http://www.pch.gc.ca

  • Bec

    I see that you have responded to Sandy now. If you take the time to review your comment to me, you will see that it was extremely confrontational and despite your current attempt to redeem yourself on this thread Ted, you rarely speak to anyone as respectfully as you did with Sandy.
    In my comment, I was not speaking to you but if you reread it, I was not incorrect and find your shallow, arrogant dismissiveness of me, disgusting .

  • wilson

    Yet today, Iffy said no to an investigation in Quebec……maybe the LPC has reason to be concerned what an investigation would turn up, eh

  • Anne in swON

    A slight correction, Ted. The man's name was George Stanley.

  • terry1

    wlson, there is method to the madness. Herpes Harpo has ordered his own party to say absolutely nothing about it. Maybe Iggy wants the province to take care of an inquiry because the crooked Tories would just bury it to hide their own sins, which appear to be part of the package of corruption in Quebec. I wonder when the Tory senator will “take care” of the guy who outed him.

  • terry1

    Wilson,
    Maybe Iggy is wiser than you think. herpes Harper has ordered his party to say absolutely nothing about the Quebec scandal. That alone breeds many more questions. Iggy sees a federal inquiry demand as another reason for the herpecrites to bury even more stuff in their secret locker. So, if the province, which is responsible for the administation of justice in its territory is forced to have one it won't be impeded by crooked Tories and all the truth will come out.

  • batb

    I guess I'm a little slow; from the photos, I couldn't tell what the story was — though I knew it had to be a whopper seeing as La Hedy was involved.

    Imagine my utter surprise when I went to Akin's blog to discover that this is such a whopper of a non-story as to be totally embarrassing to Akin, I hope, and the hapless and unhappy Liberal$.

    If this is the Liberal$' best shot with their best player, they better go back to the drawing board, like TOUTE SUITE.

    Pathetic.

  • batb

    The Lib$: Are THEY blue?

    You betcha. Things just aren't going their way … but this is a funny way to show it. 'Leave it to Hedy.

  • Liz J

    They're not only cornered they're setting their own traps.

  • Liz J

    Bec, I recall that design and it would have been more apt and inclusive.

    Hedy continues to entertain, no one can take her seriously.

  • tedbetts

    Then, Bec, you need to either grow thicker skin, stop throwing around arrogant insults if you can't take a tiny bit of dismissiveness in return, or stop commenting altogether.

    As I tell my sensitive 8 year old, not ever disagreement is a personal attack.

  • tedbetts

    Too bad then that the Progressive Conservatives along with the New Democrats and the Social Credit, who together held the majority of seats in the committee in charge of picking the flag design and could have picked the tricolour flag, chose to go with the red on white.

  • Beer and Popcorn

    Still trying to create a scandal eh?

    Just add this to the pile of Liberal retreds – in and out, wafergate, medical isotopes, the biggest propaganda campaign in Canadian history.

    Now it's the Quebec scandal.

  • Bec

    Ted, the discussion was about an extremely silly MP and a childish color chart that suggested there was something wrong with the color blue. My response to Bruce was simply to refresh the notion that 'blue' does indeed have a historical place in Canadian history and to reflect on the reality that what is, may not have been, had things played out differently. My reference to you, was indeed a question.
    So who exactly should “grow thicker skin” or be unlike a “sensitive 8 year old” and perhaps not interpret “every disagreement is a personal attack” is entirely up to the individual and their perception of the exchange.

    It would seem to me that you reacted to ME, not the other way around but hey, as you were!

  • Liz J

    The Liberals are so desperate, trying to create scandals but even worse they appear to be trying to make political gains with the H1N1 flu vaccine. It's not the government, they're doing all they can do and doing a good job by listening to the people in the health care field who know the facts. All the confusion the Liberals are squawking about is coming from their pathetic and dangerous political antics, including from people who should know better like DR Carolyn Bennett. They don't even deserve to be the official opposition.

  • lowertaxes

    The item that annoys me and many Canadians about the flag, is the total lack of Red Maples (Sugar Maples) west of Sudbury. They are non existent on the Prairies. There is a Maple developed by an Ag. Canada research station hardy enough for Prairie winters and droughts. The leaves at best turn to a pale yellow. The Red sugar maple leaf represents Quebec, Eastern Ont., and the Maritimes.

  • Bec

    Great observation! I have never thought of that but you are so right. That makes this debate even more interesting considering the political realities of this country. Thumbs up!

  • Bec

    Well and LIZ, that is what remains so interesting about this historical tale, they blew it with the political shenanigans at the time of the vote.
    That should have been the flag, imo too.