Comments on: Canadian Olympic branding and competing visions of Canada

By: Name

Name — Wed, 07 Oct 2009 06:14:30 +0000

Hi All, just landed here via YouTube.

to avoid using a “c” based icon – how do you politicos' suggest spelling Canada?

HBC was around long before the Conservative Party….and I suppose if you really hate it, perhaps Eatons has something better to offer….oh. I forgot. Well, Simpsons then? darn it…..I'm no Capitalist – shit there is that damn C again……..thank god this blog won't let me post a maple leaf…..I'd hate to infer all kinds of bs that was never intended by using a symbol that was created to inspire pride in our nation and our accomplishments and more importanlty under funded athletes that spend their whole life to make us all proud when the world comes to play in our backyard….a blue C a black C, red C…..a maple leaf left, centre or right – this isn't about resemblences, positioning or politics. this about putting our best foot forward and supporting our men and women who devote themselves to giving all of us something to be proud of.

By: Name

Name — Tue, 06 Oct 2009 23:14:30 +0000

Hi All, just landed here via YouTube.

to avoid using a “c” based icon – how do you politicos' suggest spelling Canada?

By: Omanator

Omanator — Mon, 05 Oct 2009 21:28:45 +0000

Gaby when you have nothing worthwhile to say, as is the case with Heddy Fry, you shop around for the impossible nonsense.

By: Omanator

Omanator — Mon, 05 Oct 2009 21:25:21 +0000

Jen, A marvelous idea.

By: dbenoit

dbenoit — Mon, 05 Oct 2009 16:16:46 +0000

This country may have been created by explorers, but we cannot forget the importance of our more recent history. The Conservatives should not try to ignore these significant events that have helped to shape our country just because they occurred under Liberal power. Though the olympic logo was made independently from the government, the government always influences how companies advertise their products. The 2010 olympics should show all parts of Canada's past, not just the part the Conservatives want to show.

By: Kingston

Kingston — Sun, 04 Oct 2009 11:05:08 +0000

Terry1, With the exception of your inability to refrain from utilizing derogatory nick names for PMSH that was the most well thought out response you have posted in a while. Well Done. The cool part of human nature is the ability of two people to look at the same events in history and come to different conclusion on their effect in history.

My first rebuttal to your argument is your statement "We became a Country that wanted to accomplish things ..." This country accomplished many great things before the time of PMPET as it has since his time in office. Vimy Ridge, WWII, Korea, NATO membership and the Suez Canal Crisis on the international stage, and the St. Lawrence Seaway, the Canal Systems for the great lakes, and the Railroad System and Trans- Canada Highway internally. These events contribute greatly and continue to define Canada's place in the world as a country that would back up its beliefs and could be depended on to support it values and interests as well as demonstrating our ability to grow and support our population domestically.

It is my belief that the degrading of Canada's Military, and other organization within the govt by PMPET in his quest for a social utopia hurt our place in the world and did nothing to enhance our reputation. With the possible exception of directly after WWII, Canada has and it is recognized, never been able to defend her vast borders with our small population without the help of our allies, mainly the United States but fellow NATO partners as well. My first challenge to you is to tell me what PET accomplished with the exception of the re-patting of the Constitution and the Charter that enhanced Canada's place in the world.

As to your theory concerning the B-Boomer's, I direct you to your demographics, the infrastructure for the Boomers was for the most part put into place in the late fifties and through out the sixties. I challenge you to provide examples of any great infrastructure project brought forth through PET time in office. I am at the tail end of the boomers generation and the world was blessed with my presence in the early sixties and the schools and highways etc were already here. If there is to be another strain from our generations ( I am assuming) it will be taking place now or in the near future as we retire and begin to withdraw more from the social services network then we contribute in taxes at this time.

An argument could be made that PET's totally ignoring of the rural sections of the country could be a huge contributive factor to the infrastructure demands made on our urban areas as well as the totally free for all on immigration.

As much as I am enjoying this conversation, real life is calling meaning as we all know, the wife has a list of "accomplishments to be " that I must attend to. LOL

By: terry1

terry1 — Sun, 04 Oct 2009 09:23:50 +0000

Pearson gave us our flag which Harpo would love to change to a blue Maple Leaf. Trudeau gave us our homeland so to speak by repatriating our constitution. I beleive he would have gone the distance had Quebec fully cooperated and dumped the GG role as well.

Both those events, the flag and the constitution, are what drives our pride of Country today and harpo would definitely like to change those symbols somehow.

By: terry1

terry1 — Sun, 04 Oct 2009 09:19:23 +0000

Kingston, you, and others, seem to forget the profound changes the baby boomers were inflicting on our society when PET became PM. These are the new seniors of today, the biggest population bulge ever seen in our country. The need for new schools, roads, housing, and many other social services was dramatic it its almost sudden need. The deficits of the day were absolutely necessary and planners knew the BB'ers would eventually enter the the work force and have to pay back those investments of the time. BM in his own way expanded on the social themes PET created, and he like Harpo, had a visceral hatred of things Liberal but other than Meech lake he never trampled on PET's social agenda.

Harper's agenda is lot different than BM's however.

The "hippie" era was also upon us with peoples morals changing and Trudeau met those expectations. Nowhere was this more dramatic than in Quebec where RC's simply stopped going to church ad it happened overnight.

PET wasn't perfect by any means but he sure led the nation and led it well. I believe the lifstyles we have today are part of his legacy. We became a Country that wanted to accomplish things and we faced many many issues along the way.

By: Kingston

Kingston — Sun, 04 Oct 2009 08:30:12 +0000

Kyle, Well thought out and written debate, I think the point you might not be taking into consideration is the talking points of the LPC and their own grass roots limited view of the history of the country. They in most debates and arguments, have a habit of falling back to a limited view of the history of this country and again in my humble opinion tend to debate fwd of the Pearson and Trudeau eras saying in summation that is when Canada became progressive and socially just thus I believe that is the premise for Stephen's submission.
The LPC of this day still believes that PET was the greatest thing from the invention of sliced bread even though the social policies and economic policies that he enacted have had long ranging determental effects on even present day life in Canada. I offer for argument, During the deficit years of PMBM years, it is a understood fact that the deficit that was being run at the time was to service the interest payments on the debt that PMPT left to the country. His social policies were all over the place and his multiculturalism adventure is still being felt to this moment with multiple enclaves of minorities sub communities existing in our major urban and for that matter in our minor urban centers rather then the tried and true assimilation. The problems rising from this are vast and leads to political pandering to ethnics groups as an example. I wish to clearly state, I have no problem with any person or group maintaining their own religious beliefs, or sexual preferences, on that one PET was right, with the state has no business in the bedrooms of the nations but I do wish that people would remember, they are Canadian first and do away with they hyphens.

By: Kelly Jamieson

Kelly Jamieson — Sun, 04 Oct 2009 05:49:59 +0000

If the Trudeau modification of the old Canada image really happened 42 years ago (beginning with expo 67) you have to consider that most Canadians have spent the majority of their lives viewing Canada in that “new” image.
If you are saying that the Liberals broke something the Conservatives are now trying to fix, it's not justifiable at this point. Conservatives are now the ones trying to modify the image of a nation that has existed for a large majority of the large majority (if not entirety) of Canadians lives'. Do you see the hypocrisy in your argument now?