Liberal reboot

Yesterday, Liberal leader Michael Ignatieff announced that his party will no longer support the Conservative government in the House of Commons, thereby ramping up speculation of what would seem to be an imminent election.

But for Mr. Ignatieff, an election is his least-preferred outcome and I’d argue that the latest rhetoric isn’t indicative of a future powerplay for the Liberal leader, but rather of move to reset the Liberal message.

Michael Ignatieff hasn’t had a particularly eventful summer. In fact, the highly respected Chantal Hebert has noted that the Liberal leader was this summer season’s political loser as the man found it difficult to connect with average everyday Canadians on the hamburger circuit — despite liberal helpings of Grey Poupon.

After backing down terribly from his ultimatum without conditions in the spring on the immediate changes to employment insurance, Mr. Ignatieff declared victory when a study group was unveiled to look into the issue. But as anyone who has observed Ottawa political cynically knows, a commitment to study, is rather a move to defer and to delay. The highly partisan panel included known agitators Pierre Poilievre and Marlene Jennings, and these MPs rounded out by Minister Diane Finley and Liberal MP Michael Savage seemed more like headliners for a summer cage-match to entertain reporters looking for a story rather than a sincere effort by either party to move in any direction on EI. In a move which must have been highly disappointing for Liberal supporters, within the last week Ignatieff telegraphed his move away from his EI casus belli via Ralph Goodale.

Yesterday’s move seeks to remove the onus from the Liberals to “make Parliament work” — as the saying goes. Instead, that onus now rests upon the shoulders of the NDP and Michael Ignatieff surely expects that they will find a way to support the government. Indeed, much of the experience of being an opposition leader in a minority parliament is figuring out who is left holding the bag.

Michael Ignatieff — despite his academic credentials and reputation as a deep thinker — has underwhelmed on the policy front since he became leader of his party a few short months ago. Canadians — short of those in the Lesser Evil book club — aren’t familiar with the man and what he stands for and have only had the benefit of introduction courtesy of the Conservative Party’s Just Visiting ad spots. In politics, it is easy to differentiate oneself… by differentiating. And for Mr. Ignatieff, that will mean by opposing this government he is not likely seeking election, but rather something to put into the window for one in the future.

Today, the NDP indicated that yes, they are willing to “make Parliament work” and they submitted their list of demands.  Predictably, the Conservatives responded with a firm “no” to a wholly incompatible agenda and threw the NDP lot back with that of the Liberals and the Bloc Quebecois.

Were Ignatieff’s musings yesterday a gamechanger? Of course, that’s unclear at this point.  Pollster Nik Nanos stated that there are too many “moving parts” at this point to avoid an election.  But, if there is any lesson to be learned from Canadian politics in politics, there is no orthodoxy and a week — let alone a month — is a long time in politics.

If the Liberal objective is to reset their message, we await for the coming weeks with interest to see what the modern Liberal Party of Canada is all about.

No eventuality can be solely manipulated by Michael Ignatieff however, and the Conservatives will take this opportunity to craft their message as well.  As Michael Ignatieff is now perceived to be the instigator of a future election, the Conservatives have and will continue to cite Ignatieff’s arrogance (it’s all about him).  Further, if we do go to an election this fall it will be because all three opposition parties voted to defeat the government.  This will only serve to underline the Conservative message that minority parliaments are the cause of political instability and that a majority government is the only solution.  Conservatives will then ask Canadians to consider two options: a majority Conservative government versus a coalition of socialists, separatists and Ignatieffs.

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  • terry1

    Stephen, before you get all ga ga over your own writings, You know and we all know that Iggy had a very full summer and help sign up recors numbers of new members and had numerous fundraisers while profiling the party for its move towards power.

    I think your partisan ship is fine but you stretch things a little me thinks.

  • NovaDog

    Ignatieff has tossed Harper a hand grenade, I fully expect Harper will throw it back.

  • terry1

    You all may want to consider why the Libs want to pull the plug on this very unpopular con party and its leader who both seem aloof to the real world out there.

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-busine

    Job losses for workers aged 25 to 54 have deteriorated faster over the past 10 months than they did during those two past recessions, says TD's Director of Economic Forecasting Beata Caranci in a research note. The average number of weeks workers in that category remained unemployed has also risen faster than before.

    While recent statistics have shown that job prospects for Canadians aged 15 to 24 have been decimated by the recession, Ms. Caranci says that's in sync with trends seen in the previous recessions. Young people are losing their jobs at the same rate as before, but workers in their prime are faring worse than they ever have in past downturns. The trend among workers aged 25 to 54 holds steady even when the hard-hit manufacturing sector is excluded.

    The unusually poor outlook for adult workers is worrying because how quickly they get back on the job is a big indicator of overall economic health.

    “Those aged 25 to 54 represent the bulk (70 per cent) of the working age population, and thus wield a lot of influence on the nation's prosperity, income and spending patterns,” Ms. Caranci wrote. “In the 1990s and 1980s recession, it took two years or more for the average number of unemployed weeks to peak and level off, and we're likely facing another long-haul this time around.”

  • right from the left coast

    except Harper will pull the pin, count to three and then throw it back.

  • NovaDog

    Halifax Shipyard lands $194-million contract
    Nine patrol vessels to be built for Canadian Coast Guard

    Great News for Hfx and Atlantic Canada, vessel to be distributed East coast, West coast and Great Lakes.

    Another positive announcement that will help Canadians today and prepare for Canada's future.

    Conservative Government continues to get it right.

  • Bec

    This is a very stupid game of bluff because the Liberal leader hasn't the political savvy to pull this off.
    Did he think about the Ways and Means motion? You know the one that gives the tax break for renovations……now already completed by some folks?
    Reboot all you want Liberals but what you SHOULD be doing is, rethinking your 'purchase' and starting from scratch.

    Just curious though, was this a decision made by a handful of people or an entire team? I'm thinking, door #1.

  • David

    It is tempting to believe that Harper will engineer his own defeat and then make the Liberals wear the election call. Tempting, but not quite.

    It is stunning to me that the 3 parties that signed an agreement and sent a letter to the GG stating that they would form a coalition gov't now just a few months later can't even agree to defeat it.It was a gross misread of the country that they believe they know and understand. This coalition I think will haunt them.Simply, it should have been obvious that it couldn't fly.

    Add that to the continuous “This time we really mean it ” syndrom, Iggy and the Libs look weak.I recall when Harper failed to defeat the Martin gov't (remember the Stronach fiasco) ,it was Harper that took the heat for not cobbling the opposition parties together to vote in unison. He didn't make that mistake again.Iggy faces the same reality.If he can't defeat the gov't when he says he is going to then he will risk looking even weaker.

    Either way This is a win win for the Conservatives. If there is no election then clearly Harper continues to govern for at least 1/2 year and likely longer.The other outcome although less desirable is an election; An election that the nobody wants , one that the Cons. can win and one in which the Libs take the heat for calling in the first place.

    It is tempting to say bring it on but now is not the time for an election.

  • batb

    Michael Ignatieff has a real nerve: Do Canadians need ANOTHER election with not even a year past our last election and at a time of financial vulnerability due to an international recession? Prime Minister Stephen Harper and his party have had a pretty firm hand on the tiller in very rough waters and have a solid record with which to go into an election, but it's unconscionable that Ignatieff is even talking about an unneeded visit to the polls. Who gains? Certainly not the average Canadian.

    On the other hand, it's pretty clear that Michael Ignatieff is not his own man — he's certainly not Canadians' man — and that his strings are being pulled by unnamed players standing in the wings, stage left I suspect.

  • hollinm

    So we hear that the Iggy ads are to start next Tuesday in an effort to improve the profile of the carpetbagger who wants to be PM. Well lets remember Dion said Canadians didn't know him and that in a campaign they will get to know him and love him. Well we all know how that worked out for Dion and the Libs.

    If I have to see wall to wall coverage of Iggy twitching his hairy eyebrows and flicking his tongue while licking his lips I like many Canadians will be quick to use the remote control.

    The fact is Libs have bitten off more than they can chew this time and Harper and the Conservatives are going to be elected to a majority government.

  • hollinm

    Parnel…you continue to troll on the Conservative websites. Will they not let you on Liblogs?

  • hollinm

    Unfortunately for Iggy Harper is going to raise the specter of a coalition to remind Canadians what almost happened last winter. Canadians by a far majority rejected the coalition of stooges particularly with Dion as PM when they had rejected him not more than six weeks before.

    If polls are accurate the next parliament is going to be a minority. If the Libs win a minority they will need the support of the Bloc and/or the NDP..maybe both. That means the possibility of the coalition is no long hypothetical but could be a reality. Iggy is going to be plagued by the media to answer this question coalition if necessary but not necessarily a coalition. He cannot dodge it. He signed onto the previous disaster in the making. Harper will talk about it ad nauseum and the media will pose the question to Iggy in every press conference. This will be the ballot question in the next election. Not some silly words about how Iggy is going make Canadians better by 2017.

  • terry1

    Mervin,I'm here to convert the great unwashed into good canadians and Liberals. Is that ok?

  • terry1

    Mervin, please tell me why rhe Libs have bittten off more than thye can chew this time. What has harpo done to enamour himself with Canadians. Where are almost 70% of the voters located politically? They are not on harpos nut bar right list. Maybe if you count the rats now active in your hometown you might get a majority but that would be your best chance.

    Iggy as opposition leader is running neck and neck with your dictator and has a real war room full of cannon fodder to level harpo.

    I think you're hoping against hope!!!

  • terry1

    Mervin, you know as well as I the polls change dramatically during an election so why are you jawing on about current ones. The Liberla pollster discounted the summer polls for the Libs in a manner that puts them in a very good place for the fall.

    Harpo used the same techique last summer when he calle dhis useless $350MM election. The Liberals now feel its their turn to have a kick at the can.

  • terry1

    Mervin, you know as well as I the polls change dramatically during an election so why are you jawing on about current ones. The Liberla pollster discounted the summer polls for the Libs in a manner that puts them in a very good place for the fall.

    Harpo used the same techique last summer when he called his useless $350MM election. The Liberals now feel its their turn to have a kick at the can.

    Mervin, the only coalition will be the tories trying to bribe either of the other two parties. The libs made the coalition mistake once and will never bend that low again. Iggy has stated that firmly….he is going for a majority and wants everyone to be sure they understand that POV which certainy helps those millions of us who want harpo gone to park their votes with Iggy..

  • terry1

    BatB… did we need the election last year? No one from the reformatorts will answer that question because they know it was a phoney call. This time the goverment will be defeated by a majority of parliamentarians and not pushed into an election by a greedy unethical PM.

  • batb

    ” … did we need the election last year?”

    We sure did. The House and the Senate had made governing impossible and were constantly blocking needed legislation. So, because the Opposition made governing impossible, Prime Minister Stephen Harper did what any good leader would do: He put it to the Canadian electorate: Who do you want to govern in Canada? Me and my party or another party?

    The CPC win was a clear mandate from the Canadian people for PMSH and his party to continue to form the government, which the Coalition of Three Stooges trampled on a few months later.

    I would love to see a CPC majority, so that the country wouldn't have to go through the constant indignity of one of the three Opposition parties, or all three together, trying to derail the duly elected government of our country. Michael Ignatieff is actually showing contempt for the Canadian electorate who voted for PMSH and his party to govern our country. It's obvious that his arrogance has blinded him from understanding this.

  • Bec

    The 2008 election was called, because Dion was already threatening it. The Conservatives had governed in a 34 month minority and some birdies in the wind may have picked up the STINK of a coalition in the making.
    Unlike this disgusting display of chest thumping,and after a 4 month paid vacation, the Liberals are at it again. A mere 10 months later.
    They have no rational reason to attempt this other than, chest thumping and don't mess with us, posturing.

    And God forbid,that they consider Canadians and the economy and the fragility of OUR LIVES….but screw us, as long as THEY get THEIR power, glory and…pension!

  • terry1

    Well BatB, Your reasonong is very poor. he should have asked parliament for a confidence vote. That's the standard in this country, not back door elections.
    we have an even worse situation this year because Canadians now know the Harpocrites cannot govern and we have a $50BB going on $60BB deficit, alarm bell growth in unemployment.

    There are amny other issues as you are well aware that this bunch of losers are attempting to push down the throats of Canadians while looking for ways to avod votes or refernedums.

    We simply need a change

  • terry1

    Opposition parties threaten to defeat minoritiy governments all the time. So why didn't harpo wait until he was defeated as tradition dictated ad his own election demanded.

    And if he felt threatened I guess he should be surprising us again and calling an election any day since iggy has threatened him with a non confidence vote.

  • Fat_Tony

    Omar Khadr needs your help. This fall vote Liberal. It’s his only chance for freedom. Haha lol.

  • Fat_Tony

    Omar Khadr needs your help. This fall vote Liberal. It’s his only chance for freedom. Haha lol.

  • Gabby in QC

    Terry1, here's something from Jeffrey Simpson's column:
    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/opinions/if
    “Mr. Ignatieff flayed the government for not explaining how it would reduce the deficit, without saying what he would do. He criticized the government's stimulus package, without saying if he would have added to it. Did he want more or less spending? It was not clear.

    He kept insisting that “we [meaning Canadians] can do better,” which is undoubtedly true in theory, without explaining just where and how in practice.

    Presumably, a lot of Liberals felt too uncomfortable with themselves not opposing the government. They said their electoral decision was “principled,” which meant that in this case, as is usual in politics, it was not. Instead, it was a political calculation, the accuracy of which will be known in a few months.” [my bolding]

    See? Even Jeffrey Simpson has seen through Ignatieff's charade.

    You ask whether we needed the election last year.
    By Oct. 2008, the minority Conservative government had lasted for 2 years, 207 days, the longest lasting minority government in Canada's history.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_minority_g
    In contrast, as of August 31st, this present government has been in office a mere 300 days.

    Surely even you can see the difference between those two situations?

    Since the Liberals could not grab power through the coalition machinations, they decided to go for it now, before conditions improve even more.
    And then they wonder why people are cynical about politics.

  • hollinm

    Parnel….I never mentioned the polls. However, there is one thing that is
    consistent speaking about polls and that is Canadians faith in Harper's
    ability to guide the country. He outpolls Iggy every time on leadership
    questions.

    If Iggy campaigns on something in the future he will surely lose the
    election. Canadians are not interested in pie in the sky rhetoric. Remember
    the Libs promised when back when to solve child poverty I think by the year
    2000. We are still waiting.

    I would certainly expect Iggy to campaign for a majority. Nobody campaigns
    for a minority. However, there is one small point. Canadians may have a
    different result waiting for the carpetbagger wanna be PM.

  • hollinm

    Try your best Parnel.. we unlike Liberals have our convictions which are not
    for sale unlike Liberals who will steal bribe or say anything if they think
    it will help them win.

  • hollinm

    Canadians and the media have spoken loudly that they do not want an election
    and do not think it is necessary.

    Iggy is going to face a hostile media as he tries to answer questions like
    no new taxes but he will cover the deficit. He will have to answer the
    question and he will not get away with simply spouting his usual garbage.
    Saying he will eliminate waste and inefficiency will not cut it. Cuts to
    social programs like healthcare and education is the tactic of previous Lib
    governments.

    Canadians are a pragmatic lot and while you can give yourself comfort that
    they are left leaning time will tell. The polls that come out over the next
    few days will be very interesting. I suspect the Conservatives poll numbers
    will increase.

    To suggest that running neck and neck with the government is good is
    delusional. The country is in the worse recession and when you list the
    things that the Libs say is wrong you would think the Count would be way
    ahead.

    Tell him to quit raising his hairy eyebrows and licking his libs with his
    lizard like tongue. Body language experts suggest the licking of the lips is
    an indication of lying.

    I will match your war room against ours at any time.

  • Switchyard O'Taylor

    You may want to consider getting your own blog. Every single time Stephen posts something you have a linkdump.

    It's like you're trying to piggyback on his readership.

  • terry1

    gabby, I love the way you sue the MSM when it suits you and then whine about them most of the time.

    Iggy is not going to get drawn into being dogmatic until he has to during an election campaign. The Harpocrites will simply jump all over the stuff they like and put it inot their own policy planks. Yes, they are that devious and policy bankrupt. They have no clue where this economic mess is going to end up. Iggy has said he will unveil an economic policy plank that will include no tax increases but will have more impact day to day in helping Canadians in need.

    As for the election call, my simple question is why didn't harpo wait until his government was taken down. That was the full intent of his four year legislation but he found a loophole to drive a truck through and he did. I'm glad he did in certain selfish ways because it drove my party to reinvent itself and get fully geared up to get rid of these turkeys.
    In 8 short months Iggy has collected well over $10MM as of now, on his way to $25MM annually, and signed up almost 80,000 new Liberal party members bringing the total to over 100,000. He is more than competitive in the polls and the party's own pollster told him where he needs to apply his strengths in order to beat harpo and the dippers for a lot more seats. The pollster discounted the summer polls and used the end of session polls as a starting ground which had the party ahead of the reformatorts. In other words Harpos spending spree all summer just got us a large bill and an economic hangover.

    As usual the libs will have to clean up an economic mess when they get into office.

  • terry1

    gabby, I love the way you use the MSM when it suits you and then whine about them most of the time.

    Iggy is not going to get drawn into being dogmatic stuff until he has to during an election campaign. The Harpocrites will simply jump all over the stuff they like and put it into their own policy planks. Yes, they are that devious and policy bankrupt. They have no clue where this economic mess is going to end up. Iggy has said he will unveil an economic policy plank that will include no tax increases but will have more impact day to day helping Canadians in need.

    As for the election call, my simple question is why didn't harpo wait until his government was taken down. That was the full intent of his four year legislation but he found a loophole to drive a truck through and he did. I'm glad he did in certain selfish ways because it drove my party to reinvent itself more quickly and get fully geared up. Getting rid of these turkeys became the obsession it needed to be. .
    In 8 short months Iggy has collected well over $10MM as of now, on his way to $25MM annually, (donations have spiked up dramatically this week) and signed up almost 80,000 new Liberal party members bringing the total to over 100,000. He is more than competitive in the polls and the party's own pollster told him where he needs to apply his strengths in order to beat harpo and the dippers for a lot more seats. The pollster discounted the summer polls and used the end of session polls as a starting ground which had the party ahead of the reformatorts. In other words Harpos spending spree all summer just got us a large bill and an economic hangover.

    As usual the libs will have to clean up an economic mess when they get into office.

  • terry1

    Mervin, Check you post. you specifically mentioned polls are showing us another minority government will be the end result.

    the consistent thing is that the PM has the bully pulpit of office to keep his name out there. As much as harper has tried he can't get over a 30% or so popularity rating. Shameful performance. lets see where they sit in a month once the get to know me ad campaign from the libs is well underway. If Harpo was able to supposedly fram Iggy with hsi just visiting ads I think thes will reverse them and then some. October will bring an election with Iggy having wind in his sails and Harpo clearly on the defensive. Harpo and his minions are clearly terrified of an election which brings absolute joy to me.

    Iggy will campaign on achievable goals with very practical ideals.

  • terry1

    Fat_tony…what ignorant people like you seem to forget is that while Khadr is a despicable person from an even more despicable family he is a CANADIAN. If our government treats every Canadian that gets into trouble in same manner we should be terrified about going abroad. Harpos behaviour in this regard just shows his own ignorance of the larger world we live in that is fraught with danger for freedom loving people and we clearly need our governemnt to defend those freedoms.

    Khadr should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law but with the complete understanding he be allowed to prove his innocence or guilt. These are guiding principles of our society.

  • terry1

    As in every Canadian political party the final decision on any major issue is the repsonsibility of the leader. Iggy got a standing “O” in sudbury when he announced the party's decision to stop propping up this very weak government and begin to put them out of their misery.

    His party is very much behind him because he is providing clear and decisive leadership and rebuilding the party for this generation ad beyond. They are clearly ready to govern and have an outstnding array of experienced poeple running behind Iggy and supporting him fully as his funding and membership drives have clearly shown.

    You should be more concerned about your own party which is currently wallowing in self pity and whining, something they are very good at along with their typical angry Tory personality.

  • NovaDog

    Why aren't you and your liberal friends pressing the Government to bring home the swirly faced Canadian in Taiwan for a fair trial? Are you being selective? Iggy said a Canadian, is a Canadian, is a Canadian. Liberal Party is two faced, only willing to support criminals of selective crimes. You shouldn't have it both ways. Liberals talk the talk, but don't walk the walk.

  • terry1

    Mervin, your desperation is showing. Those Sask. rats must be really bothersome.

    “Canadians and the media have spoken loudly against an election…..the media???jeez Mervin get real. Lets see if more people vote this time as opposed to the millions who sat on ther hands last fall making it the lowest vote total in history. People simply blocked their noses and stated home because Harpo was not their choice and obviously neither was Dion.

    The lib pollster is a very seasoned political guy and he has all the repsect an independent like Nanos has. He told the party last election they were going to be swamped and Dion ignored the advice. He sees real growth potential for this upcoming election and knows where the real numbers are which of course is a secret for now as the party focuses on it regonal strengths and weaknesses.

    Your post was the weakest agrument I've seen from you in a long time. I hope you'renot getting symptoms of tory whiner flu.

  • terry1

    try yur best mervin, but we canadians who lost billions in the income trust fiasco know a little bit about robbery and theft.

    We also know this government is stealing our future with titanic like deficits.

    Liberals have the convictions of a party that has been mostly reponsible for Canada's wonderful richness of character and freedoms. Remember who has run the country for 34 out of the last 46 years during which we became one of the top five countries in the world. I'm sure you can find some principles there….then again if your blinders are glued on you won't be able to.

  • terry1

    I think you need to lift your head from your doggie dish and read some more before you accuse. The libs have brought that perosn up as well as everyother stranded Canadian. Do the research and be embarrassed as usual. You are a shoot first and ask questions later type obviously. Here's a cookie little doggie. Now go play in your doggie pen.

  • NovaDog

    “Liberals abandon EI reform talks with Tories”, aren't these MP's getting paid to do this job? Can Liberals just walk away from their responsibilities? That's just what this Country needs, subordinates stomping off when there is a little stress.

  • NovaDog

    Oh sorry, I didn't know Liberals were soft on pedophiles, thanks for that.

  • terry1

    Get lost….where did I say that?

    You get more crazy daily.

  • terry1

    Well well boys and girls her's the firs tpoll of the political season showing harpos summer lead was just that…summer

    http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2009/09/02/polit

    Asked which party they would vote for were a federal election held tomorrow, 32.6 per cent of respondents said they would cast their ballots for Stephen Harper's Tories, while the same percentage opted for Michael Ignatieff's Liberals, EKOS said.

    The Liberal numbers represent a slight boost from the previous week, as well as a significant boost in the party's support from a year ago, when the Conservatives enjoyed a 13-percentage-point lead over the Liberals under Stéphane Dion's leadership ahead of the last federal election.

    The Liberals have erased a small but persistent lead enjoyed by the Tories throughout most of the summer by improving their fortunes in the battleground province of Ontario, EKOS said.

  • Gabby in QC

    Terry1, your typos are getting sillier than usual. On speed again?
    “… I love the way you sue the MSM …”

    Instead of focusing on quantity of gibes, try to concentrate on quality.

  • NovaDog

    Live Lobster sales is where the dollar sales are. Who in their right would even attempt to ship live lobster; buy the thousands of pounds, to China. Not a good investment people. Insuring live lobsters to the states alone is outrageously costly. Shipping expenses is why fishers can't get a decent price at the wharves. Processed lobsters sales don't help the fishers either, the middle man stands to make a fortune. Iggy your rhetoric isn't helping the fishers today or in 2017.

  • terry1

    GBBY, NOT REALLY. I tried to edit that post but the software doesn't always cooperate. it said could not edit my post. Being sponsored by a reformatort is the reason I suppose…..LOL

  • Fat_Tony

    He can be prosecuted to the full extent of the law by the Americans in America becaues he is accused of killing an American. After that he can return to Canada, and then on to his fight against the west in Afghanistan. His mom is very proud of him, you know.

  • terry1

    http://thechronicleherald.ca/Front/1140657.html

    MacKay in conflict of interest
    Defence minister says he forgot he was on boards of two family businesses
    ………………………………

    Ha ha!! He forgot…..he knows the Libs were close to sinking him on this and he finally had to fess up.

    he forgot……..Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

  • Beer and Popcorn

    I've read a few analyses that identify the reason the Liberal$ are pressing for an election this quickly since the last is that they are concerned that Mr Harper is growing much more confident as his tenure in the role increases. There is deep concern that the trend toward increase comfort (and an increased grip on power) that the PM will hold after guiding Canada through the recession so effectively.

    The political climate is an interesting one. In Toronto I'd say voters have had enought of the left and the social engineering that comes along with it, particularily the Mayor Miller / Adam Vaughan circle with their 'war on the car' and tax and spend approach.

    I'm actually surprised that Ignatieff has moved the way he has as it seems he has played right into the PM's hand with the election stifiling the renovations tax credit and economic recovery as well as painting himself as the catalyst of a costly election 10 months after the last. He's smarter than this and thus makes me think this is the result of a nudge by the Rosedale elite.

  • terry1

    Another reason w e need to turf the reformatorts :

    All G7 economies will grow in the third quarter, except for those of Canada, Britain and Italy, OECD says in new outlook

  • terry1

    B&P, that just more of your uninformed nonsense. The OECD has just put out a report that shows Canada as a laggard economically. The rest of your stuff is complete nonsense.

  • takedeadaim

    Too many partisans on here.

    Iggy is making his move now because he sees a window of opportunity, followed closely by that window closing in 2010 when the economy will be in full recovery (including employment #s). He'll try and pin global economic pain on Stephen Harper (that's what i would try to do anyway).

    Harper will try and fly a message that says Iggy is gambling with your job security, house values, and all the government goodies that are ready to roll simply so he can get a bigger office.

    Fact of the matter is we're almost certainly looking at another minority government, barring an absolutely STUNNING change in voter intention.

    Harper needs to pick up seats in Quebec and Ontario for a majority, but it seems unlikely as he's probably maxed out in Ontario already and he's lost some ground in Quebec.

    Iggy needs to gain ground in Quebec and Ontario, but will be partially split in Quebec by Tory numbers still in the teens. If he can pick up Tory ridings in Ontario and BC he can have enough for a minority, but he needs EVERYTHING to go his way. That seems unlikely.

  • Beer and Popcorn

    Terry – if you don't really have a retort, don't respond.

    There's no requirement to comment on each and every post.