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August 17, 2009

NDP – what could have been

To the tremendous disappointment of those of us who are biased to breaking news and having something to write about,the New Democratic Party — despite teasing us with their brand new blue and orange coloured website, their importation of US Democratic strategists, and promised debate on party identity — failed to change their party’s name on the weekend. To be honest, probably best for them that they didn’t get around to voting on a new name. The worst possible time to change your political brand identity would be the day before an election. Changing the party’s name is also not a wise move with a potential fall election and an uphill climb as fourth party trying to re-introduce itself to the electorate. Best time to rebrand: the day after you win a majority government.

But what might have been? You know Brad Lavigne and Anne McGrath were sitting on top of a party rebranding campaign ready to be unleashed at the word “go” by the party delegates. However, any investment in putting the “new” into the New Democrats (or whatever the new name) would have to be shelved until next time.

Would the NDP be well-served to rebrand as the “Democratic Party”? Or would have another name worked out better for them?

Here are a few suggestions for names for the next time the party thinks of rebranding:

  1. The Jack Pack – “cause it’s all about Jack”
  2. The New Emo-crats – “the only thing we’d ever cut is ourselves”
  3. The Obama Hope and Change and Hopechange Party – “we’re all in on this one”
  4. The Liberalist Party of Canada – “making coalition governments that much easier”
  5. The Orange-cha glad I didn’t say nationalize Party – “* we still might
  6. The Not-in-Kansas Anymore Party – “rainbows and windmills and weed, oh my!”
  7. Everything for Everyone Party – “not to be confused with the ‘Everything to Everyone’ Liberal Party of Canada”
  8. The Farm Team – “if you work really hard, someday you too can be a Liberal cabinet minister.”
  9. The Local Party – “we’ve run cities and on occasion we’ve run provinces. But, for God’s sake, don’t let us near the army”
  10. The not-conservative Party – “because with that Ignatieff guy, you really can’t be sure”
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  • east of eden

    I love number 10 because it is true – with Ignatieff, you never know. He stands for nothing firm. Getting him to espouse a policy or state a firm position is like nailing jell-o to a wall.

  • allancarty

    The never be deficit. We have a deficit and will continue to have a deficit.

  • http://seoroi.com/ Gab Goldenberg

    ahahahha classic, Stephen.

    I kind of expected the Obama line to end up like “The Hoping For Spare Change” party :D .

  • terry1

    Can I suggest names for the reformatorts when they split after this next election.

    Regressives and Progressives are my choices.

  • Kelly Jamieson

    “Best time to rebrand: the day after you win a majority government.” Is that something conservatives have been planning?

  • Parnella

    The Farm Team wins for me, it's most appropriate.

    BTW, that's a really dirty looking picture of Jack's 'stache, showing the black follicles, it looks more like an x-ray image.

  • Parnella

    Sure, suggest away little fellow, enjoy yourself.

  • Parnella

    Now that's a silly question if I ever heard one!!

  • terry1

    Parnellopi, this is appropriate to your post.
    When dirty tricks and negative ads are your trade in stock you tend to get tarred with that brush for anything suspicious that attacks the opposition:

    http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/682256

    “Between job losses, record bankruptcies and a spiralling deficit you would think the Conservatives would have more important things to do,” spokeswoman Jill Fairbrother said in an email.

    The Conservative party did not immediately respond to a media inquiry.

    Whoever sent the envelopes had relatively deep pockets for a political prankster – especially considering the same Ignatieff profile can be found online for free. At about $3.30 CDN per mailing, postage alone to reach the full Ottawa press gallery would cost more than $1,000.
    ……………………………………

    I would bet money it was someone connected to the reformatorts.

  • terry1

    That's the most intelligent answer you've posted in a long long time and it wasn't smart either.

    I think he means after a Liberal majority….LOL(hope the LOL gives you some indication)

  • david

    The OJ party (Olivia & Jacko)

    VAL party (Voters Angry @ Libs.)

    LLL party (Left Leaning Libs)

    AFARCE party (Anything For Another Run @ Coaliton Empowerment)

  • Beer and Popcorn

    How about the LIE-N-DP?

    Would work for all you coalition fans out there too..

  • terry1

    Were you really for Harpo's coalition with the Bloc in 2005? I would have never thought that of you.

  • http://jonathanusher.blogspot.com/ Jonathan Usher

    How about the whine party

  • http://twitter.com/Kittyburgers Kitty Burgers

    Very funny ;-)

  • terry1

    How about the New ABC party………..Anything But Conservatives

  • terry1

    Stephen, you need help from the “prince of darkness” in your humour attempts:

    http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2009/08/17/w…

    ” It’s easy to understand why Kinsella is regarded as the closest thing to a genius in Canadian politics. After all, he helped Jean Chretien’s federal Liberal Party win three straight majority governments. He also guided Dalton McGuinty and the Ontario Liberal Party to victory in the last two provincial elections. And today he runs a successful consultancy–the Daisy Group–which has managed to score some of the land’s most prestigious clients.”
    …………………………………..
    He can most certainly help with names,I'm sure!!!

  • East of Eden

    Go ahead – nobody will care.

  • East of Eden

    We don't need to do that. The CPC is fine, just the way it is.

  • East of Eden

    Yawn. Been done and it didn't work. Notice how Williams sucked up to Harper after the last election. Bet he never expected Harper to win again.

  • East of Eden

    McGuinty's two wins were not entirely Kinsella's doing. Ernie Eves was a very dislikeable (not a real word) premier – even I didn't like him – so McGuinty won that election. In the last election, John Tory opened his big mouth against all the advice he received and he blew the election for us. For the records, I could not stand Tory, either – he belongs in the LPC, with that ego of his. So, McGuinty's two wins were more a vote against two different leaders rather than a vote for McGuinty.

  • East of Eden

    I don't know this Harpo guy but I do support Mr. Harper's association with the Bloc in 2005 – sometimes the high road does not work because the slime is so far down that it can't see as far up as the high road.

  • East of Eden

    Totally off-topic, but the Hill Times reported that Garth is trying for Liberal candidacy in a riding other than Halton. A couple of things puzzle me. He railed against Lisa Raitt's appointment as the CPC candidate in Halton as being undemocratic, an attack on democracy, etc. and it now appears, according to the Hill Times, that the Liberal candidate in Halton was appointed – just like the LPC leader. I'm surprised and shocked that he has not railed against both of these appointments because he railed against Lisa Raitt's appointment.

    Why is he not running in Halton? That really puzzles me. And, unless I am mistaken, I was under the impression that a candidate must have his or her principle residence in the riding which he or she wishes to represent. From reading Garth's blog, I was under the impression that he was very popular in Halton so I'm puzzled as to why he would try a different riding.

    This is all very puzzling to me.

  • terry1

    That's typical of the hypocrisy of reformatory supporters. Its ok if it's us doing the separatist dance but not ok for others. Harpo has taught you how to lie also I see.
    Harpo has never seen the high road other than at a very long distance from it and he couldn't climb it if his life depended on it.

    Here's a small sampling of the lies you love so much:
    In the 2006 Election Platform the conservatives promised to
    • Oblige public officials to create the records necessary to document their actions and decisions.
    • Provide a general public interest override for all exemptions, so that the public interest is put before the secrecy of the government.
    • Ensure that all exemptions from the disclosure of government information are justified only on the basis of the harm or injury that would result from disclosure, not blanket exemption rules.
    • Ensure that the disclosure requirements of the Access to Information Act cannot be circumvented by secrecy provisions in other federal acts, while respecting the confidentiality of national security and the privacy of personal information.
    All the above promises were broken when the government refused to release the information it used to reverse its promise not to tax income trust (no.23), freedom of information requests have produced nothing but blacked out pages.
    The government has repeatedly put secrecy before the public interest.

  • terry1

    And you think Harpo's victory over Martin was sheer genius I suppose against a backdrop of adscam or his victory over Dion. Neither of these events are present now and in fact the opposite will be evident when WK starts his attacks on the Harpo government lies. His truthful inuendos will make even the dirty trick guys in the reformatort war room blush with envy.

    for your reading pleasure:
    http://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2009/08/17/w…

  • terry1

    You are easily puzzled I see.

    Garth has moved to Caledon which is in the heart of that riding. Simple fact but true.

    The appointment of the lib candidate was because Raitt has become vulnerable due to her own stupidity and the Libs feel they can win there with their own star candidate who is a lot smarter and a good campaigner it appears.
    Democracy is messy at times but often it needs to be that way. By the way harpo has reappointed every sitting MP to run without a nominating process in those ridings.

    Does that end your puzzle or should I do things in bigger letters and simpler words?

  • terry1

    Maybe the reformatories need a new name with this reputation the Harpo has:
    http://www.thestar.com/comment/article/682310

    Harper's communication strategy doesn't seem to be working very well. He has difficulty convincing almost anyone but himself that heavy-handed control is the way to go; two more key communications personnel left the PMO's office earlier this summer and have yet to be replaced. The majority government he so badly wanted eluded him in 2008 and according to recent polls still looks to be out of reach.

    But perhaps his biggest mistake is underestimating Canadians' distaste for a leader who looks more like a puppet master than a prime minister.

  • Parnella

    It would be poor strategy to change a party name on the eve of an election for sure. At this point Iggy has no issue to take the country through another election, perhaps Jack, as part of the coalition, could find him one and together they could make a deal with Gilles. That's where they're at if they want to pull that stunt again.

    A cartoon in the Ottawa Sun today says it all, depicts Iggy on a psychiatrist's couch, the psychiatrist saying “…..so your issue is you need an issue”…

  • Cat

    great post! In all of the clips I saw from the NDP convention I was hard pressed to see anyone that looked like they were having a good time.

    I think a new name and re-birth would have been pointless with the same old same old attitude.

    I'm very surprised that Jack's still at the helm. I think he's bringing the party down, what with his dalliance with the “coalition” and all.

  • terry1

    Parnella, iggy has the wedge issue and he has a “smoking gun” issue as well. Wait and see. Timing in September is not necessarily the issue either.

  • terry1

    Cat, Jack wants a cabinet post so badly he might even try to switch parties if he thinks the Libs will win. He won't be accepted.

  • Beer and Popcorn

    Has anyone ever listened to their local NDP or Lie-beral candidate speak and the policies that come out of their mouths?

    These guys are waaaaaayyyyy left – it’s all about public this and anti-poverty that.

    I think one of the best approaches would be just to get them talking and get people in Toronto listening to what they say.

    Other than the true lefties (who we hear from all day every day) I agree with Rush Limbaugh – Conservative values are by far the most mainstream values

  • east of eden

    Well, Ter-Ber, I will ignore your juvenile insult and reiterate – he railed on about Raitt's appointment being undemocratic but he said not a word about his replacement in Halton being appointed and Ignatieff being appointed. Seems mighty double-standardish to me.

  • terry1

    Easily puzzled,
    And I repeat once more the tories have appointed at least 144 nominees w/o a nominating process by the riding associations. Remember Harpo ran on improving democracy and has done the exact opposite in many many things.

  • east of eden

    I'm even more surprised that May is still leading the Greens – talk about a liability.

  • terry1

    PMO Iqaluit gaffe draws smiles, frowns
    (Harper-Iqaluit-Gaffe)
    Source: The Canadian Press
    Aug 18, 2009 11:09

    OTTAWA – An unfortunate blunder by the Prime Minister's Office has residents of Nunavut alternately chuckling and cringing.

    A news release sent out Monday outlined Prime Minister Stephen Harper's itinerary as he began a five-day tour of the North.

    The release repeatedly spelled the capital of Nunavut as Iqualuit – rather than Iqaluit.

    The extra `u' makes a world of difference in the Inuktitut language.

    Iqaluit, properly spelled, means `many fish.'

    Spelled with an extra `u,' the Nunavut language commissioner's office says the word translates as a derogatory reference to `people with unwiped bums.'

    (The Canadian Press)

  • east of eden

    I don't know anything done by somebody named Harpo. I don't know Harpo. Therefore, whatever this Harpo guy has done has absolutely nothing to do with Canada.

  • east of eden

    You keep mentioning some guy named Harpo – I have no idea who that person is and why you keep mentioning him.

  • Jen

    EoE, about two wks ago, CTV Jennifer Ward said on camera “I nominate Robert Fife for the the leadership of the liberal party of canada.”

    Also EoE, think about this one, “how will the liberals function without their 'backbone' the MSM. How will the liberals beable to run a campaign without the help and 'free' campaign from the media.

    I don't think for one minute that the LPOC would survive if the media treated them the same way they(media) treat the conservatives and the prime minister.

    Have you ever jeard a reporter tell the LPOC to give back the millions of dollars?

  • east of eden

    So, Iqualuit means Terry1?

  • east of eden

    Sadly, Jen, what you say is true. And the media is miffed because our PM maintains a distance from it. Unlike the LPC members, our PM does not waste our time with fluff. When he does speak, it is of import but the media treats it like it is nothing. When Ignatieff wavers and goes all over the map, the media drools and laps it up like manna from Heaven.

  • Gabby in QC

    Renaming the NDP is a fun exercise for whiling away the hours on a lazy summer's day, but apparently more important things were discussed at the NDP convention, this being one of them.

    http://www.montrealgazette.com/life/softens+sup…
    (H/T National Newswatch)
    “NDP softens its support for language equality
    Motion slipped through convention without attracting attention
    By DON MACPHERSON
    The Gazette August 18, 2009

    … The convention unanimously adopted a resolution proposed by the Quebec section to give additional protection to the language rights of French-speaking workers in this province, but not English-speaking ones. [my bolding]

    The resolution would amend federal legislation so that “employees of Quebec businesses under federal jurisdiction have the same linguistic rights as those who work for businesses governed by the Charter of the French Language.”

    The resolution stops significantly short of endorsing the position taken by the party's members of Parliament in the House of Commons as recently as last June.

    On that occasion, as well as a year earlier, the NDP voted in principle for Bloc Québécois private member's bills on language.

    Like the resolution, the bills would have applied Bill 101's rules on the language of work to Quebec businesses under federal jurisdiction.

    But the Bloc bills also would have amended the federal Official Languages Act so that in general, and not only in terms of protection for workers' rights, English would no longer be equal with French in federal institutions in Quebec.

    The NDP voted for the proposed legislation even though the party's lone Quebec MP, Thomas Mulcair, had previously obtained a legal opinion saying the bills might reduce the language rights of English-speaking Quebecers. [my bolding]

    On both occasions, the bills were defeated by the governing Conservatives and the official opposition Liberals.

    Mulcair said the NDP supported only the provisions on the language of work, not the Official Languages Act, and voted for the bill only to send it to committee for possible amendment.

    On the weekend, Mulcair said the convention resolution would be followed by an NDP private member's bill “aiming to give real meaning to the recognition of the Quebec nation.”

    Or at least that's how he was quoted in the French-language press release the party put out. There was no English-language release. For some reason, the party wanted to draw attention to its new position in only one language.

    If the NDP thought it could slip a resolution adopted unanimously by a convention of about 1,300 delegates past the English-language media, it was right.

    Until now.”

    As a Quebecer of neither anglo nor franco origin, I can live with the Charter of the French Language applying to Quebec, although I find some of the regulations sort of cutting off one's own nose …

    However, I believe the NDP and the Bloc have no business whatsoever dictating what language should be used by businesses under federal jurisdiction.

    Those businesses should use whatever language will benefit their business. It would be nonsensical for them not to use the French language here in Quebec, because they'd be ignoring more than 80% of their clientele. But to legislate which language they should use? No thanks, NDP and Bloc.

    Would English radio stations (an endangered species in Quebec) operating under CRTC licensing be expected to conduct their business in French? Is that what the new New Democratic Party is advocating?

  • http://streetadvisorconsulting.blogspot.com markalanwhittle

    Here in Hamilton we are surrounded by NDP members and every month I get a flyer from NDP member Chris Charleton espousing her latest triumph, all Hat no Cattle. Meanwhile suburban CPC member David Sweet brings home the funding for Hamilton infrastructure. I guess suburban Hamiltonian's know who brings home the bacon, unlike the all talk no action respecting the NDP representatives around here.

  • Brian

    I love one, four and ten, but six is off the charts.

  • Parnella

    By any other name it's called nit picking. At this point they're close to taking it to the level of looking for a wrinkle in a gnat's butt.

    The PM is popular in the North, Liberal trolls/apologists are all hot and bothered about it.

  • http://www.stephentaylor.ca Stephen Taylor

    I reported on that here:
    http://www.stephentaylor.ca/2009/08/ndp-convent…

    “One French-language resolution was discussed which may well have been lifted by the Bloc Quebecois mandating the use of the French-language by all Quebeckers.”

  • east of eden

    I've watched Mulcair in QP and there is something very angry and provocative about him. No matter the situation, he's obstreperous and angry – I don't know what is wrong with him. If he were my MP, I'd be on his case. You could hand the guy a chocolate bar and he'd blow up and go on about how unfair it is to chocolate farmers…etc. you catch my drift. He's always looking for a fight. Something is very wrong, there.

  • east of eden

    You know, this mandating language issue makes me think of some sort of theocratic theme. It's kind of scary.

  • east of eden

    Gnat's butt – that translates to Terry1, I think.

  • Gabby in QC

    Just to be clear …
    Stephen, my posting the Gazette item was not meant as criticism of your post on the NDP renaming itself.
    I may have come across as being against people having a bit of harmless fun.
    That was not my intention.
    My intention was simply to remind us all that the NDP should not be taken lightly.

  • Beer and Popcorn

    Jen / EOE

    Remember that the rules exist only for Conservatives in Trudeau’s Canada

  • terry1

    Our PM doesn't waste time with fluff becasue he has a paid fluffer to dust him off.

    Its interesting that two former journalists ar enow Reformatory senators yet the MSM is all Liberal. Your nonsense is almost too stupid.

  • terry1

    You don't even know who you are so that's no surpise.

  • Omanator

    East of Eden , Unfortunately the people of Ontario are now going to pay for this mistake big time. I have no doubt, by the time the next prov. election comes around, McGinnty will be ground to the dust. Where ever there are Liberals in Power you have nothing but scandal. See E-Health. Not even a Liberal Fly Sheet like the Toronto Star can approve this 3 B $ scandal.

  • Omanator

    East of Eden. It is useless to reply to the Troll.

  • Omanator

    Who on earth gives a damn what the Liberal Propaganda Organ in Toronto say's.

  • terry1

    Three posts to adjudicate on the article….I think its the reformatorts who are bothered. Torys are dirty and play dirty so the mistake is justice served in my opinion.

  • Omanator

    Nitpicking is not the word. The Liberal Trolls are trying to create a scandal where there is none. How much of the native language does the Troll speak?

  • terry1

    As angry as Mulcair is he should have joined the tories…..he fits better there. Of note Charest effectively ran him off as he was way too arrogant another tory fit,although Layton is pretty arrogant himself. WK has a fun picture and caption about Jack on his blog which I know all of you read daily.

  • terry1

    beer and popcorn…..who has gone more left than Harpo. Huge deficit spendng a la Bob Rae in Ontario. I think you need to look inward.

  • east of eden

    I am shocked. Shocked that the Star would keep on this E-Health scandal. There must be a right-winger or intelligent person somewhere on the Star editorial board. Every now and then, the Star goes after the McGuinty government or the federal LPC. Shocking.

  • east of eden

    Yes, you are totally correct. I do like getting it to chase its tail, though. I love watching this troll evade, dodge, twist, and generally regurgitate all over itself. I wonder if it will ever grow up and realize how downright silly it was in its youth.

  • Cat

    Stephen – I've been having trouble unsubscribing from receiving notification of responses here. I've done what I think I'm supposed to but I'm still receiving notifications.

    Can you help please. I'm headed away and don't want a basket load when I return in a week.

  • terry1

    Omanator, here's another one for you to chew your gums over.

    http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/08/18/so-the-littl…

    “UPDATE: ITQ just got off the phone with Tammy Wood, executive assistant with the Mars Hill Group, who confirmed that the announcement — which, she says, was posted by a “junior writer” before getting “signoff” — was, indeed, removed due to inaccuracies. “We did misspeak with some of the comments on Mike Duffy as a ‘long-time party supporter’,” she told ITQ. “We needed to get that fixed.” She won’t say whether an amended version of the announcement will return to the site in the future, noting only that the company “regularly rotates releases,” and wasn’t willing to say whether the party had contacted the firm about the announcement. In fact she referred that, and all other questions about the contract back to the party.”
    ………………………….

    Unsatisfied, it seems, with carpet-bombing currently enemy-held territory with ten percenters, the Conservative Party has gone and hired itself one of those newfangled new media firms — a Manitoba-based one at that. The Mars Hill Group, the Free Press reports, “will be helping individual Conservative MPs and Senators make personal, customized videos”, and that according to the website, the first — starring everyone’s favourite prime-time-political-broadcaster-turned-senator and “longtime party supporter” Mike Duffy — is slated to “start hitting inboxes this fall”.

    Oddly, the announcement — which was prominently displayed on the site last week – seems to have vanished, for some reason, but luckily, the original text is still available, courtesy of Google cache.

  • Jen

    EoE, I will never forget the comments made by Iraqi men to an american journalist when she asked them why are they listening to the radio to get the information they seek from other countries instead of listening or inquiring their information via the Iraqi media.
    Answer from the Iraqi men ” that is not our media, that is Saddam's media.”
    Does this answer ring a bell?

    Imagine that EoE, these men 'SAW' right through the media manipulation to not heed them.

  • terry1

    Is that your way of saying the MSM is not a sbiased as you continuously whine about.

  • terry1

    sultan of Oman……..its obvious that you don't go bacjk and read your own nonsense. you post nothing on almost any subject except to criticize and deflect. I would say if you looked in the mirror you would finf the real troll. parnella must possibly be your brother/sister

  • Parnella

    I'd say the Troll speaks and knows nothing about the Native language in question. . He's flying by the seat of his pant being fed by menials in the lesser tents spewing nonsense.

    They have their work cut out to try to create a scandal or crisis when this PM and his government are steady as she goes to economic recovery.

    It boils down to the fact we are doing very well with this PM at the helm, that's what's eating the Liberals' hearts out. Power trumps all for the Liberals. They'll try anything to regain power, to hell with what's best for the country.

  • terry1

    eden lost………..chasing whose tail. you don't even respond to issues pointed out here you are foamed at the mouth trying to out do me. Tough isn't it little boy to be told your thought processes are wasted as in drunk.

  • terry1

    More conservative stupidity:

    Whose tax is this, anyway?
    Larry Miller, the Conservative MP for Bruce-Grey-Owen Sound, appears to have developed a case of amnesia about the harmonized sales tax and his own government's support for the HST in Ontario.
    In a recent article in the Owen Sound Sun Times, Miller writes:

    “First, I want to make it clear that this was a change initiated by the province of Ontario and was not a decision made by the federal government in any way.
    I understand the many concerns expressed by my constituents about the new harmonization increasing sales taxes on Ontario residents. Mr. McGuinty must not only commit to maintaining as many exemptions as possible; he must also commit that the change to the new tax system will be revenue neutral with the old.”

    Finance Minister Jim Flaherty might want to call Miller — remind him of this speech, delivered in April. Flaherty, an unabashed fan of the HST and constant proponent in his talks with McGuinty, declared:

    Why has Ontario – as Nova Scotia, Newfoundland and Labrador, and New Brunswick had before – decided to move to the harmonized model? They harmonized because it is good for businesses, reducing their tax burden.

    I guess that also explains why some of Millers' constituents weren't able to sign an anti-HST petition at his constituency office last month — expecting that federal and provincial Tories were on the same page.
    No, they're not. In fact, despite what Miller says, federal Conservatives and the provincial Liberals are united on this one.

  • Parnella

    Scary stuff to think we here in Canada have a media we cannot trust to give us the bare facts, free of spin. They're into the realm of manipulation of opinion to fit the agenda of their chosen political entity, the LPC.

  • terry1

    again I ask, what spin? There are two reformatory senators who were prominent journalists. were they Liberal mouthpices when they were journalist/broadcasters.

    Your theory is a hoax and you know it.

  • jmwebb

    Terry,
    We are still waiting for the repayment of 49 million dollars from Adscam –so it seems no one in the Liberal party wants to talk about that, or you for that matter. A little “sweep it under the rug??” The Libs are also a little touchy about EI reform as well, since if you dig a little, they also bilked millions out of it, from EI premium overpayments, so the “insurance” that we all thought we had, has gone drifting into what they tout as “a balanced budget”. What about reducing health transfer payments from 50% down to 12%, so the provinces were staggering under the burden of providing health care. THESE are glaring issues, not the “legalese” you are trying to entertain us with.
    As for 2005, all political parties have agreed to support each other at some point in order to promote their political agenda OVER ONE OR MORE ISSUES in order for legislation to pass through parliament. The situation in 2008 was different. The Libs/NDP did not present their coalition option to Canadian voters. It was a mere 3 weeks after a general election when they staged their “legal” but grossly immoral “coup”. You need to research the agenda which appeared on the NDP web-site to find out how this “formal” coalition, would potentially hold power for 2 1/2 years (supported by the Bloc who promised No Non-confidence votes.) This blatent move was not over “ISSUES” ( such as occurred between Harper and the Bloc in 2005), it was an unprecedented move to gain power by an UNELECTED coalition and keep it out of the control of the Canadian electorate for up to 2 1/2 years.

  • terry1

    JMWEBB, let me entertain you logically and not reformatort style.

    1. What $49MM? Not one Liberal MP or cabinet minister was ever tried or convicted over adscam. I was disgusted as much as anyone was but the real truth is that there were rogues poising as true Liberals taking advantage of a fragile situation within federal/quebec politics. The 1995 referendum, an outgrowth of mulroneys ill advised meech lake deal put the country on egg shells in terms of Quebec and things slipped threough the crack on what was a strong effort by Chretien to bring federalism's virtues to the Quebec population and to make their presence felt. I don't sweep anything under the rug but I notice that the Income trust betrayal is not talked about by reformatort ministers either. That broken promise took billions out of mostly retired peoples incomes.

    My simple question to you on EI money going into general coffers,supposedly illegally, is why the Harpo regime has not changed it and is making no sounds that they will do so. Is there a double standard there? Liberals are crooks but reformatorts are just following precedence by not putting the money back into its own separate fund. the deficit would then be another $100BB higher. So, I would suggest you lobby the government to follow the SC judgement since you want those funds put in their proper place. Paul Martin made that decision after careful consideration and with the approval of federal lawyers who vet those things within the civil service. Again I don't see reformatorts, except mostly those who are too partisan to look sideways, making any noises about that issue. the government is certainly not entertaining any changes to Liberal policy in that area.

    More of your nonsense. Harpo did not present his 2005 coalition to voters either. It was simply a naked power grab that the opposition turned on him when it was their turn to do so. Harpo directly asked Duceppe to join him in a coalition to defeat Martin in 2005. I don't care how many issues there were back then. In 2008 Harpo and his gang were way too arrogant and had lost control of the real issues facing us in terms of the world economy and how it affected us. they were completely asleep at the wheel and drunk with power. Imagine now that Flaherty said then, in his economic updarte there would be no deficit and no need to create one when things were crashing all around us. In fact they were already running a deficit ast that time. It was, and is not, in their ideological makeup to admit to anything that deterred them from their agenda of slipping in major tax reductions that woud eventually cost us way too much as it was more than any tax income would ever cover. The Bush adventure has proven that failure in spades and Harpo is a disciple of that economic framework. Harpo was using our money to bribe us into voting for his so called agenda. Tory times are tough times for a reason. Ideologues always fail and these guys are total failures economically and otherwise. That coalition attempt woke up the country and forced these turkeys to finally face reality. As for the illegal/immoral part I say BS. It was constitutional, although unprecedented. Each member of parliament was duly elected and thus had the right to vote for what they believed to be correct. Maybe you should delve furhter into Harpo's election call last year when he wasn't defeated and had a law on the books for four year elections. It turned out to be somewhat legal but very morally wrong in many many ways as he was not defeated in parliament to start with. That was the real naked power grab.
    So open up your mind and try to see the world in a more realistic light. You won't vote for the reformatorts if you do look at things honestly.

  • Parnella

    I'd say the Liberals might be looking for a name change after their next defeat. It could be The Sting Raes, Bob's Your Uncle, Rae Daze…………..

  • terry1

    Or the reformatort split into regressives and progressives…………the regressives will become the Bush lite party and the progressives will become the Iggy lite party

  • littlejoe

    If you want a new name for the NDP, why not call them what they are. The New Communist Party.

  • Parnella

    Oh my, what suspense, the old smoking gun issue after Iggy positioned himself and took a real wedgie which is will bind him for some time.

  • terry1

    The sedgie is long gone….its harpo who has the dirty ass based on his commuinque yesterday. Of course that fits him well

  • fmabbey

    I like the Jack Pack, but could add the Mighty Mouse Mashers, because to listen to Layton talk, he can achieve anything and everything!

  • east of eden

    There is no way we would ever take somebody like Mulcair. He has a mouth and no brain – listening to him in QP is like listening to a little girl screeching in a schoolyard. The guy is just unbelievable.

  • terry1

    E OF E comment:
    “He has a mouth and no brain”

    THE PERFECT REFORMATORY/ MP

  • east of eden

    Tell me something – why do you come on a Conservative blog to diss our party and our PM? Do you not think you'd be more effective on a LPC or NDP blog? It seems very pointless to come onto one of our blogs and leave silly or derogatory comments. Terry – we don't care how much you diss our party or PM – we 're not going to change our leanings based on any of your drivel. You give the impression of a very weak person who can only be “strong” in an anonymous and rude manner. I feel kind of sorry for you but not that sorry since your comments are always so silly and rude. Terry – nobody cares about your idea of Conservative stupidity or any of your “points” or opinions. You pretty much convince us to stick with our party and stay away from the LPC and NDP since fools like yourself seem to support those parties.

  • east of eden

    And in other news, inflation hits a 56-year low. Read it here: http://www.thestar.com/business/article/682882. Gotta admit, that PM of ours sure is the best thing to happen to our country since we got rid of the Libs.

  • east of eden

    And you have a a**hole and no brain – perfect Lib.

  • Parnella

    Oh, dear more good news the Liberals don't want to hear, and just when they're trying to get the rumour mill going with speculating when the Liberals will pull the plug. They must still be in cahoots with their coalition buddies, they can't do it on their own. Both Jack and Gilles will want their just rewards.

    Anyone listening to the appointed and anointed leader of the Liberals must be scratching their heads. Every time he speaks, it's fodder for truth ads. Iggy, the gift that keeps on giving, just like the hapless Dion.
    It appears one faction of the LPC , the Chretien/Rae gang perhaps, that may include their chief Bunker Boy, are about to let Iggy self destruct.

  • Omanator

    Did you say “PM” as in Priminister? As far as I know he has not been elected to anything but a seat in Toronto.

  • Omanator

    East of eden. Frankly Mr. Mulcair strikes me as a man for ever trying to get the media attention.
    I wonder if he is hoping to replace Jack. The attempt to force French may have been part of that scenario. I guess Mulcair would hope he could carry Quebec.

  • Abe

    How about the New Demolition Party.

  • Parnella

    Yeah, it's off topic but that's a common happening on this site trolled by “Toxic Troll”.

  • Bruce

    Guilty plea in federal sponsorship scandal

    Updated Wed. Jun. 3 2009 12:30 PM ET

    ctvmontreal.ca

    MONTREAL — Former federal Liberal executive Benoit Corbeil is the first political figure to plead guilty in the federal sponsorship scandal and he's suggesting he might name other figures involved in his influence-peddling plot.

    Corbeil entered pleas to fraud and influence peddling during an appearance Wednesday morning at the Montreal courthouse. A third charge of conspiracy was stayed.

    The influence peddling happened while Corbeil was a Liberal organizer in 1997 and he engaged in fraud while serving as director of the Liberal party's Quebec wing in 2000.

    Blowing the whistle?

    A judge ordered a pre-sentencing report for early September. The Crown wants Corbeil to do jail time but Corbeil's lawyer says he should stay out of jail because he never made a penny from the fraudulent transactions.

    However, Corbeil says he will reveal who profited from the scam, suggesting more names will come out in connection with the scandal that helped to bring down Paul Martin's minority Liberal government in 2006.

  • Bruce

    That's just for you Tewwwwiiii.

  • Parnella

    When the rats start rattin' there'll be a lot of shakin' goin' on……. shakin' in boots that is.

  • terry1

    And you haven't been elected to a brain yet either.

  • terry1

    parnellipi…its always off topic when a tough answer is required from you. Jeez, get a life.

  • terry1

    Keep those wet dreams alive. Quebeckers have long ago realized the crooks were not Liberal elected politicians and have reserved their strong dislike for Harpo.

    I heard a staunch conservative today call Harpo a complete jerk and liar for his answer on the woman who was stranded in Kenya. His comment was that Harpo simply lies his way through life. His wife kicked in and said she was now ready to buy a Liberal membership card.

    Adscam is long gone; Mulroney's follies are now fading so we'll soon see how these big boys stand on their own.

  • Jen

    Iggy on a psychiatrist's couch, the psychiatrist saying “…..so your issue is you need an issue”…

    Rest ashore doc, the liberals don't need issues; it is already done. whatever the the issue is- CTV CBC G/M T/S, TVO, TJ, all liberal personalized media do the job for us while liberals bask in their wealth easily taken from the public. So, you see Doc, liberals don't need issues.
    The only issue I can come up with is that we are 'entitle to our entitlement'.
    '

  • terry1

    west of nowhere…………Have you ever seen the drivel that is posted on Lib sites by useless types like yourself.

    This is a free country and the blog is owned by a staunch reformatort who lets others paly on his site. He's obviously more open to critics than your narrow minded focus.

    I don't give te impression of a weak person…………they are opinions expressed strongly. You have no opinions to compare,except all Liberals are bad or crooks, so its pretty hard to do so

  • terry1

    There are a feew more than that as you are no doubt aware:

    1. harper's continued lying…he's become pathological about it.
    2. Harpo's handling of foreign affairs and the treatment of Canadians abroad… both very bad
    3. the economy is screwed up and going into a deep dark reformatort hole.

    there are many many more but thought I'd list a starter bunch.

  • east of eden

    Have I personally whined about it? I am shocked at the Star because it's nickname “The Red Star” is not for naught.

  • east of eden

    Nah, you're still weak. You express yourself through rudeness, juvenile dialogue, and silliness. I have lots of opinions but you have ignored all of them except the ones which fit into your sock puppet little niche. Terry, you are sounding more and more like a 12 year-old girl whose best friend just stole her boyfriend.

  • east of eden

    BTW – you neglected to actually answer the question which I put to you. Weak, little Terry, very weak.

  • Jen

    Remember during the apology to to the Natives? and do you remember when an aboriginal woman who spoke directly to the PM thanking him for acknowledging the seriousness of the '” ABORIGINAL WOMEN RIGHTS -Matrimonal grants.
    This same problem the aboriginal women faced every day is the very same problem the so call 'champion for women rights' parties in the HOC refused to vote on.

    If only we can find that tape, to show canadians.

  • terry1

    I come on here to learn why reformatorts are considered nut bars and I get answers every day. They all confirm what I hear and see elsewhere. Are you happy now?

    I never avoid confrontation nor good debate and you avoid both. You must be a ball room dancer

  • Jen

    Are you talking about HARPO MARXS- he apparently is dead? You should get out more often; Fresh air might awaken you that this 2009 not the 1930's.

  • terry1

    brucey, there's a couple of pictures of harpo the “military man” on /warren kinsella's site that he thinks are manna from heaven for his “library”. I love the one with harpo sitting on the edge of the plane with a couple hugging in the background………UNREAL!!!

  • terry1

    Jen, glad you just figured out who Steverino Harpo reminds me of!!!!!

    We all know he's been a joke as PM

  • Bruce

    Wow, talk about projection and lying, you take the cake.

    Benoit Corbiel is going rat on his fellow Liberals, too bad, so sad.

  • Parnella

    E of E, this thread is over. It was supposed to be about the NDP but as usual, the Toxic Troll took it off the rails with the usual juvenile screed. He hasn't caught on to the fact no one is impressed with his nonsense here. He should be Iggy's water boy, be of some use to the party he's trying to defend here.

  • terry1

    brucey baby, Let the truth come out; I beleive in transparency, unlike your party who spouts off about it than does the opposite. Access to information under this administration has dropped to a dribble but won't stay hiddeen when the libn are back in power. You see, paybacks are hell in life.

    I don't lie, don't pretend to lie and don't hide stuff……………I'M NOT A REFORMATORT.

  • terry1

    parnellipi, I always know when its over for you. and that's when your nonsense shows through and the level of discourse gets beyond your comprehension.

    BYE BYE

  • Jen

    It appears one faction of the LPC , the Chretien/Rae gang perhaps, that may include their chief Bunker Boy, are about to let Iggy self destruct.

    The sooner IGNATIEFF is out of the liberal party the sooner he would realize he did the right thing. Stay far away from the most corrupt party in canadian history. And stay away from the liberals damaged MSM. They are not worth it.

  • Bruce

    Back to the topic at hand;

    No Damn Point

  • terry1

    Jen,
    More jealousy and nut bar stuff from the reformatort gang. For your information Warren kinsella is Iggy's chief architect of the upcoming campaign and he was Chretien's boy and is close to Rae's brother a real rainmaker for the party. There are others from the old Martin camp and even some from the Dion days involved. You can't stand to see the party united because it spells doom for your half breeds.

  • terry1

    East of Eden……….more of your reading just the big print in the headlines and not the whole story. The real economists in the Country are saying that in reality it's bad news because it shows Canadians are not spending enough to grow the economy. Merchants are not able to raise their prices and make a decent profit which will ultimately cause more bankruptcies and more unemployment. Negative inflation is almost worse than hyperinflation in the real world. I know you can't see that logic.

    Wow, your brilliance overwhelms me once more.

  • terry1

    brcey, I agree… because you have no point to make

  • Bruce

    You couldn't buy a clue if you had all of the worlds wealth.

  • terry1

    Brucey baby, thank you.

    Warren Buffett

  • Parnella

    “BYE BYE”, words from Toxic Troll I've been longing to hear.

  • terry1

    Damn I thought you were leaving

  • terry1

    Jen maybe you ought to look inward for party dissension;
    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/to…

    Tory MP breaks ranks on HST
    Bruce-Grey-Owen-Sound's Larry Miller at odds with Flaherty over merits of Ontario's controversial move

    progressives starting to split from the bible thumpers? Sounds good to me.

  • east of eden

    And the whole world breathed a sigh of relief – Ter-Ber is not a reformatort. Thank God for that.

  • east of eden

    He is just like our friend Gayle who, a year or so ago, said she was retiring from our blogs but then, a very short while later, graciously came out of retirement and has been with us ever since. Trolls are addicted to our blogs – they just cannot get enough of us. They say that they can't stand us but they come back time and again. They're obsessed with us.

  • terry1

    The whole world will really breath a sigh of relief when harpo and his gang of incompetents are gone. Then E of E can go back to his cave.

  • terry1

    sorry to disappoint but my meaning was that parnelippi said sayonara to this thread and I was wishing him bon voyage.

    I can get enough of you in five seconds but I get a lot of joy out of twisting your tail, getting you nicely worked up into a lather, which I seem very capable of doing. So, continue to enjoy my writings here.

  • Parnella

    Somehow I doubt the NDP has the answer to the language fixation in Quebec.

    A Bloc MP from Gatineau, across the River from Parliament Hill, Richard Nadeau is hot under the collar accusing Via Rail of not announcing evacuation instructions in French when there was a fire in the engine last Sunday night about thirty minutes from Ottawa. This is debatable, according to some passengers they did make announcements in French but with all the commotion it was hard to hear. Anything to stir up friction is the name of the game for the Bloc, it's their raison d'etre.

  • Parnella

    Your favourite troll is into wishful thinking or denial saying Adscam is long gone. Who knows who else will get hauled to the forefront over the biggest political scandal in our history?

    Quebec cannot be counted on by any party, they play them all like fiddles to get whatever they want. They can turn on a dime.

    The Bloc is being used as part of their game to extract as much as possible from the ROC. In no way should the Bloc be considered a federal entity, they are a regional rump sitting in our HOC .

  • east of eden

    Could always be Oprah's production company – Harpo Productions. Other than that, I have no idea why Ter-Ber keeps on talking about this Harpo person.

  • east of eden

    You have this obsessions with things male – like “tails” and other parts of the male body. Get help, little Ter-Ber.

  • east of eden

    I don't know of any Harpo. I think he must be your imaginary friend.

  • terry1

    I would also like to know who this Ter-Ber is. don't see him/her posting here. Is this another imaginary friend or is that who told you that very low inflation was a good thing for Tories.

  • terry1

    You live in fantasy land getting more and more delusional every day.

  • east of eden

    And I heard a staunch Liberal today call Ignatieff an imposter and a phony for his failure to ever do what's right for Canada. And his wife kicked in and said that she had already bought her Conservative membership card.

    And that's about as true as Ter-Ber's lie, above.

  • Parnella

    Time we stop feeding the Troll, it keeps it coming back and only leads to a huge pile of excrement. The honey wagon should have been called in long ago.

  • east of eden

    Man, you got that right – on all fronts. No more feeding and that hopefully will lead to less excrement from the smelly troll.

  • Jen

    a staunch Liberal today call Ignatieff an imposter and a phony for his failure to ever do what's right for Canada.

    EoE, “to ever do what's right for Canada.” like what? I don't think for one moment that the liberals have a clue 'what's right for Canada. He meant, what's right for the LIBERALS.

    Supporting terrorist groups; criminals, adscam, corruption, using the media as garbage disposals-that ain't right for canada.

  • east of eden

    Amen to that.

  • terry1

    Ex of Exlax…..is this the guy you meant? I think you screwed it up again as you did in your economic statement.
    http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/08/20/seeing-red/
    “The Conservative party and its leader are permanently angry,” he goes on. “That’s an ingrained part of who they are and what they represent. On a visceral level, they remain a protest party and have turned themselves into a protest government. They manage by negatives and are genetically incapable of inspiring hope or thinking big. They attack, assassinate character, tell lies, lower the bar on public discourse, and engage in tactical and divisive wedge politics and governance. The tone, strategy, and culture for this government are established by Harper, a cheap-shot artist and cynic of the highest order.”

  • terry1

    In response to that I suggest you read the G&M article on harpo's new push for a majority government. Here's a G&M sampling of the peoples mood on that subject.

    “8/20/2009 6:54:12 AM
    Let me see if I follow the reasoning here: the Conservatives are asking for a majority government because Canadians are tired of the squabbling and politicking of the minority Conservative government?

    This is a bit like the schoolyard bully asking for automatic withdrawals from your checking account to prevent your from being harassed every day on the playground.
    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/to…
    The reason minority governments are not working in Canada is because the Conservatives are not interested in trying to make minority governments work.
    Agree 459

    Against 40

  • Omanator

    East of Eden. The only thing that bothers me is that he is wasting so much of our time on this blog. I was talking yesterday to one of the Politicos in town and we were talking about this Troll. He advised that the best way to deal with this is totally ignore him. Answer to the comments of all the others. When the troll gets no more response from us maybe he will fall asleep. All he wants to do is get us angry.

  • Omanator

    Jonathan, that name fits more to the LPC. The Troll is your best example.

  • terry1

    I haven't seen a further response to your brilliant remark about very low inflation being good for the economy and the reformatorts. I called you on that and all that came back was another insult showing your complete lack of knowledge on the subject.

    I don't dodge anything except stupidity and you dish out lots of that.

  • terry1

    Jen, here's a very god article on your “dear leader” Harpo:

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/opinions/ha…
    The comments below are from readers' comments that follow the article. maybe you should become aware of the pettiness and meanness of this “little” mealy mouthed man.

    8/21/2009 1:01:54 AM
    Stephen Harper is a complete loser ….. a child living in a world of good guys versus bad guys, cowboys and indians ….. black and white ….. no grey, no complexity …. no compromise.

    Harper has an extraordinarily simple mind. One that clings to narrow ideology like a confused, insecure child holding his security blanket to his chest for dear life. He is a complete embarrassment to our great nation. His brief tenure as our Prime Minister represents a lost period in our history. In the near future …. we will look back at the Harper years and we will ask ourselves …. ' What were we thinking ' .

    Understanding the complexity of foreign policy is simply beyond Stephen Harper's grasp and abilities. This fact has become painfully clear. Harper is out of his league ….. and he is making a fool of us internationally. Much of our finely honed international credibility has been squandered in an amazingly short period of time by Stephen Harper.

    Canada is not Stephen Harper …. and Stephen Harper is certainly not us.

    38 agree

    10 disagree
    ………………………………………………….
    or this comment:
    8/21/2009 7:41:02 AM
    The phrase “These people got into politics largely due to a right-wing belief system but lack the majority to implement it.” perfectly sums up the Harper Government. Hopefully we will never have to witness the inescapable national threat that will ensue if these people ever attain a majority!!

    27 agree
    12 disagree
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    The people are speaking out about this very poor excuse of a government headed by an introverted ideologue. TIME FOR A CHANGE.

  • east of eden

    I read that in my MacLean's last week. You know, I find it amusing that one, and now two, former Conservative supporters/members became disgruntled because they didn't get what they wanted and suddenly the whole party is hostile. Sorry, Venier sounds like sour grapes…just like that other former Conservative who didn't get his way and reacted in a very un-classy and undignified manner.

    And, now, you missed my sarcasm in that particular comment. Your story about the staunch Conservative smelled, sounded, looked and felt like a lie so I made one up just like you did.

  • terry1

    You couldn't drift sarcasm if you tried and as for a liar if you are a remformatory you are one. It comes with the breed it seems.

    As for the defections progressive thinkers in Canada don't want to be associated with Harpo and his gang of incompetents. Watch how the party purges all vestiges of Harpo after he's gone by year end.

  • Jen

    EoE, Can you imagine if canadians had other NATIONAL MEDIA besides the LIBERAL as it is in the United States. I don't think for one minute the LPOC would beable to seek refuge every two minutes.
    So, when the diehard lefty media here says nothing about the liberals' corruption , the other media will have plenty to say. How about that.

  • Parnella

    E of E, you fed the Troll and got another dose for the honey wagon. Tsk, tsk!

  • batb

    Way too many of these threads are hijacked by terry1, and for the life of me, I don't know why people respond to him/her.

    Dissing the PM and Tories is what s/he lives for and for the attention s/he gets. Kate's antidote to trolls is the right one: Starve them! Don't answer them! Ignore them!

    'You want to see terry1 stop commenting on this site (I know I do)? Don't feed him/her.

  • Bruce

    him/her? More like “it”.

  • Jen

    Barb, I agree with you, let's get on with business which the media is having a difficult time doing.
    Do you know that had it not been for the NATIONAL POST and one or two caring newspapers, I would never know what is taking place in Canada. To show how lame and sad and manipulative the NATIONAL MEDIA is. The PM is up North doing what should have done years ago. Instead, the 'breaking news the national media reports is ” who Archie from the comic strip, is going to marry Betty or Veronica?.” I guess many of the NATIONAL reporters are getting ready to attend Archie's wedding. some of the reporters are getting their tucks and/or dresses ready for the grand fiesta. You never know, TABER OR FIFE might interview ARCHIE.

    Really BARB, the NATIONAL MEDIA is a total disgrace. It is unfortunate that canadians do not other type of NATIONAL MEDIA besides liberal. The americans do, and look, Obama is having a tough time.

  • terry1

    Bat B, my intent is not to hijack threads but if you follow many blogs you will see that once the main point of discussion gets overdone people move on to other peeves.
    My biggest peeve is the fact that anyone with any level of sanity could support a liar,etc like Harper. The guy is a social,economic and foreign policy disaster and doing almost irreparable damage to our Country with his arrogance and single minded approach of wanting to completely destroy his opposition and remake the Country in his singular minded image.

    I see many well meaning progressive Tory supporters in anguish over his actions on different blogs so please don't assume I'm just a liberal on the warpath.

  • east of eden

    I read that in my MacLean's last week. You know, I find it amusing that one, and now two, former Conservative supporters/members became disgruntled because they didn't get what they wanted and suddenly the whole party is hostile. Sorry, Venier sounds like sour grapes…just like that other former Conservative who didn't get his way and reacted in a very un-classy and undignified manner.

    And, now, you missed my sarcasm in that particular comment. Your story about the staunch Conservative smelled, sounded, looked and felt like a lie so I made one up just like you did.

  • terry1

    You couldn't drift sarcasm if you tried and as for a liar if you are a remformatory you are one. It comes with the breed it seems.

    As for the defections progressive thinkers in Canada don't want to be associated with Harpo and his gang of incompetents. Watch how the party purges all vestiges of Harpo after he's gone by year end.

  • batb

    Way too many of these threads are hijacked by terry1, and for the life of me, I don't know why people respond to him/her.

    Dissing the PM and Tories is what s/he lives for and for the attention s/he gets. Kate's antidote to trolls is the right one: Starve them! Don't answer them! Ignore them!

    'You want to see terry1 stop commenting on this site (I know I do)? Don't feed him/her.

  • Bruce

    him/her? More like “it”.

  • Jen

    Barb, I agree with you, let's get on with business which the media is having a difficult time doing.
    Do you know that had it not been for the NATIONAL POST and one or two caring newspapers, I would never know what is taking place in Canada. To show how lame and sad and manipulative the NATIONAL MEDIA is. The PM is up North doing what should have done years ago. Instead, the 'breaking news the national media reports is ” who Archie from the comic strip, is going to marry Betty or Veronica?.” I guess many of the NATIONAL reporters are getting ready to attend Archie's wedding. some of the reporters are getting their tucks and/or dresses ready for the grand fiesta. You never know, TABER OR FIFE might interview ARCHIE.

    Really BARB, the NATIONAL MEDIA is a total disgrace. It is unfortunate that canadians do not other type of NATIONAL MEDIA besides liberal. The americans do, and look, Obama is having a tough time.

  • terry1

    Bat B, my intent is not to hijack threads but if you follow many blogs you will see that once the main point of discussion gets overdone people move on to other peeves.
    My biggest peeve is the fact that anyone with any level of sanity could support a liar,etc like Harper. The guy is a social,economic and foreign policy disaster and doing almost irreparable damage to our Country with his arrogance and single minded approach of wanting to completely destroy his opposition and remake the Country in his singular minded image.

    I see many well meaning progressive Tory supporters in anguish over his actions on different blogs so please don't assume I'm just a liberal on the warpath.