Telegraph Journal apologizes to Prime Minister Stephen Harper

Today, we learn from the Telegraph Journal:

On Wednesday, July 8, 2009, the Telegraph-Journal published a story about the funeral mass celebrating the life of former Governor-General Romeo LeBlanc that was inaccurate and should not have been published. We pride ourselves in maintaining high standards of journalism and ethical reporting, and regret this was not followed in this case.

The story stated that a senior Roman Catholic priest in New Brunswick had demanded that the Prime Minister’s Office explain what happened to the communion wafer which was handed to Prime Minister Harper during the celebration of communion at the funeral mass. The story also said that during the communion celebration, the Prime Minister “slipped the thin wafer that Catholics call ‘the host’ into his jacket pocket”.

There was no credible support for these statements of fact at the time this article was published, nor is the Telegraph-Journal aware of any credible support for these statements now. Our reporters Rob Linke and Adam Huras, who wrote the story reporting on the funeral, did not include these statements in the version of the story that they wrote. In the editing process, these statements were added without the knowledge of the reporters and without any credible support for them.

The Telegraph-Journal sincerely apologizes to the Prime Minister for the harm that this inaccurate story has caused. We also apologize to reporters Rob Linke and Adam Huras and to our readers for our failure to meet our own standards of responsible journalism and accuracy in reporting.

Here is the original story (portions highlighted in red concern content that has “no credible support” and portions highlighted in orange are therefore not newsworthy and are unsubstantiated gossip and speculation):

A senior New Brunswick Roman Catholic priest is demanding the Prime Minister’s Office explain what happened to the sacramental communion wafer Stephen Harper was given at Roméo LeBlanc’s funeral mass.

During communion at the solemn and dignified service held last Friday in Memramcook for the former governor general, the prime minister slipped the thin wafer that Catholics call “the host” into his jacket pocket.

In Catholic understanding, the host – once consecrated by a priest for the Eucharist – becomes the body and blood of Jesus Christ. It is crucial that the small wafer be consumed when it is received.

Monsignor Brian Henneberry, vicar general and chancellor in the Diocese of Saint John, wants to know whether the prime minister consumed the host and, if not, what happened to it.

If Harper accepted the host but did not consume it, “it’s worse than a faux pas, it’s a scandal from the Catholic point of view,” he said.

Henneberry said a statement from the Prime Minister’s Office is in order.

“If I were the prime minister, I would at least offer an explanation to say no offence was meant, and then (clarifying) what happened to the consecrated host is in order,” he said. “I would hope the Prime Minister’s Office would have enough respect for the Catholic Church and for faith in general to make clear whatever happened.”

On Friday, during the mass, Harper reached out with his right hand and accepted the wafer from a priest.

A television camera lingered long enough to show New Brunswick Lt.-Gov. Herménégilde Chiasson, the next person to receive the host, raise his to his mouth.

But the tape shows that Harper does not consume the wafer before the camera cuts away several seconds later.

If Harper was unclear about what was appropriate during the funeral mass, said Henneberry, it “would say to me it’s time to get new protocol people.”

Harper and his senior spokespersons were en route to Italy on Tuesday for the G8 leaders’ summit.

Harper will spend five days in Italy and on Saturday he has an audience with Pope Benedict.

Requests for comment left with Harper’s media office were not immediately returned on Tuesday.

What Harper did or didn’t do at the ceremony quietly raised questions at the ceremony in Memramcook Friday.

When Harper took the host, “everybody just paused and said, ‘What did he do with it?'”‚” said one official who watched the pool feed with reporters who were not inside St. Thomas Church in Memramcook.

“You could see he was, ‘Uh oh, I don’t know what to do with this.'”‚”

The curiosity among Catholics has not gone unnoticed among Liberal insiders in Ottawa, either.

Henneberry said he has received a call on Harper’s actions from a concerned Catholic, and he doubts that she is the only one puzzled and perturbed.

“She said she was very upset,” he said, adding he had not seen the footage.

“She said, ‘All weekend long it has been bothering me and I know I can’t do something about it, but someone should.’

“She can’t be the only one in this country that is thinking that.”

Harper’s religious affiliation raises a separate but related question about his accepting the host: As a Protestant, should he have politely declined it?

The fact it was a national event that was televised live likely complicated the situation for everyone – the priests and Harper, Henneberry said.

“If the prime minister is not a Catholic, he should not have been receiving communion and if he comes up it places the priest in an awkward position, especially at a national funeral because everyone is watching,” he said.

But Rev. Arthur Bourgeois, who delivered the homily, did not have a problem with the prime minister accepting the host.

“Usually, to partake in holy communion in the Catholic Church, you have to be a member of it, but if you’re not, exceptionally sometimes at major occasions (it is different),” Bourgeois said.

“If you are up there and giving holy communion you are not going to stop and asked everyone if they are Catholic or if they are not Catholic.

“You say the Lord provides.”

Monsignor André Richard, who is Bishop of the Diocese of Moncton, gave Harper communion but said he didn’t see what Harper did with the host.

“I didn’t see anything wrong there “¦ because I was busy doing something else.”

Bourgeois said it is acceptable to decline the host by simply folding one’s hands, which signals the priest to bless the person.

Rev. James Weisgerber, president of the Canadian Conference of Catholic Bishops and archbishop of Winnipeg, said if Harper was not given good advice before the ceremony about what to do, it is a regrettable oversight.

“I would feel very sorry for the prime minister if he wasn’t informed about what the procedure is,” Weisgerber said. “I would find it terrible if we put him in an embarrassing situation.

“My concern is at a funeral of that level everyone knows what the protocol is.”

Harper could have simply consumed the host shortly after he was off-camera; or he could have hesitated because he expected a priest would soon invite everyone to consume the host once everyone present had received it, as occurs in some Protestant churches.

His own faith tradition certainly does things differently, says an evangelical Christian journalist who specializes in religion and politics.

Lloyd Mackey’s 2005 book The Pilgrimage of Stephen Harper traces Harper’s political and faith journey.

Given his church background, Harper might not have known exactly what was expected of him as a Protestant at a Roman Catholic mass, Mackey suggested.

“I don’t think by himself as a Protestant adherent he’d be aware of the nuances,” said Mackey, who added there would be people in his inner circle who should have advised him.

For a number of years, in Calgary and in Ottawa, Harper has worshipped at churches within the Christian and Missionary Alliance, said Mackey.

Communion in Alliance churches is typically held once a month.

It would involve the seated congregation passing along wafers and, in small individual glasses, unfermented grape juice.

Harper grew up in a background with United Church of Canada and Presbyterian influences, but he was something of a skeptic until he was a young adult.

Mackey’s book says Harper’s journey to a committed personal faith was influenced by fellow politician Preston Manning, among others, and came after reading much-admired Christian apologists C.S. Lewis and Malcolm Muggeridge.

LeBlanc, 81, died in late June. He had been the country’s first Acadian and Maritime governor general, and before that, a senator, MP and press secretary to two prime ministers.

That’s quite an edit!

I’ve learned from a source close to one of the journalists that at least one of them may have gone so far as to seek advice and consider a lawsuit against the newspaper if the paper did not retract the story and absolve (no pun intended) the journalists of fabricating a significant portion the article.

Printing such a false hit piece can get a journalist frozen out of any future access to the PMO under the current administration. It’s a rare sight to see journalists defend their integrity against their senior management in the newsroom, however, in this case it may have been a matter of professional self-preservation.

What motivation was there behind torquing over three quarters of the story? Did somebody in Ottawa (or Toronto) pick up the phone and push a more interesting story to the editors instead?

Some observers will remember that “Wafergate” led CBC’s flagship newscast The National rather than the story about the Prime Minister’s participation in the G8 conference. UPDATE: Errr… this observer didn’t seem to remember correctly. My friends from CBC (yes, I shockingly still do have a couple of them — and they’ve been better to me than I have to them lately, but I digress) inform me that I am mistaken by the order of their reports (they did G8 and did “Wafergate” later in the broadcast). I also mistakenly made this reference on the Charles Adler show. I ironically acknowledge this and regret these errors.

Comments

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  • Patsplace

    The press will lie, the Liberals will lie and their mindless little useful idiots will lie. So what else is new. They hosted the people that supplied the money to build the bombs for the Tamil Tigers, they went to dinners with them, even when there were laws in place in Canada to prevent such goings on. They did not follow the laws of Canada when they were in power, right down to Martin attending sadness ceremonies because one of the Black Tigers had blown themselves up.

    They have stolen millions and will steal billions if you give them half a chance, and Murphy's Law, they still have supporters…but the so to do Hamas, Bin-Laden and even the long dead Hitler. Remarkable!!!

    This libelous piece of Newsprint, 20 days after the fact, apologizes, and still the Party Faithful claim that an Evangelical Christian would do what they would do and that is put the Host in their pocket. Mindless evil!!!

  • terry1

    LG, it must be hell to get paybacks for all the attack ads and their partial truths and in some cases full out lies. We have not heard HARPO SPECIFICALLY STATE HE PUT THAT HOST IN HIS MOUTH AND THERE IS VIDEO EVIDENCE HE HE DIDN'T AT THE TIME HE RECEIVED IT.

    It must also be hell living in your house which seems to be back in the 19th century.

  • terry1

    No skating here bluetech……….I say Harpo is a liar and that he did not take that host. Video proof is there. He can sue Kinsella if he dares becuse WK will not back down.

  • Gabby in QC

    “… in some cases full out lies.”
    Examples? With links?

    http://www.catholicregister.org/content/view/32
    “Harper indicated he made a decision when entering public life that out of respect for the Catholic Church’s teachings on Communion he would not go forward to seek it, but if offered he would not refuse it — in a Catholic church or any other Christian denomination.”

    And from the same reporter's blog: “I think it's what they call Astro-turfing— an attempt to make an issue look like a grassroots response, but it's as fake as Astroturf and orchestrated by political operatives.”

    Accusations coming from a supposedly devout Catholic political operative, who supports gay marriage and abortion, and from his little valet, who has time and again denounced people of faith … the idiocy continues.

  • terry1

    I've repated the lies many times over and am not going to waste my time supporting your drivel.

    the idiocy continues becaue this PM cannpot leave things alone and keeps exposing his overdone ego. The idiocy is the PM and his office. Please show us how he respected the Catholic religion and please show us how he took that host in his mouth. Even he will not come out and say he did. The lunacy is there along with the ego.

  • Gabby in QC

    “I've repeated the lies many times over …”

    Yep, you're right, for once. You've repeated lies. That is absolutely what you have been doing. Thank you for admitting it. :-D

    “Please show us how he respected the Catholic religion …”
    Of course, you are a shining example of someone respecting people's religion, correct?
    You are in a position to determine who shows respect and how that respect is shown, right?
    Go, read back some of your own vile statements regarding people of faith, and now you are the staunch defender of the Catholic Church?
    It is to laugh!

    And your idiocy continues.

  • terry1

    Yur idicoy continues as you keep trying to change the page. harpo lied and Kinsella has challenged him openly. lets see if Mr. dirty politics Harpo has the cojones to take on someone who won't back down.

    Nice try changing the subject. Harpo is a liar and that's the debate.

  • Gabby in QC

    “Yur idicoy …” :-D

    Oh, oh, your anger is showing. Toxic Troll, time to take a valium.

  • Patsplace

    And now CTV is having Bob Fife announce that it was the Liberal Party of Canada that gave the lie to the paper because of connections in this area and they printed it. Next on the hit parade is which Liberals were involved and what's to be done about them.

  • terry1

    Patsplace, that report makes no real sense as the Irvings are known for their conservative leanings Paul Zed notwithstanding. If it was I'm glad they did it. Its time for some paybacks to the Tory slime we been submitted to. Maybe they will now understand two can play the same game.

    However, I do believe Warren Kinsella hit the nail on the head in terms of the apology being made ahead of a shipbuilding subsidy program which would benefit the Irvings immensely. Harper is still a liar and never consumed that host in church.

  • terry1

    Noname….and the gutless reformatories used which US based party's tactics in their negative campaigning. you are full of it when it comes to labeling corruption and blackmail. That Irving apology is simply a reaction to a threat from the PMO and it will be exposed.

  • terry1

    the reformatories get their dirt dsihing skills from the likes of Carl Rove. paybacks are hell and you can't stand it when the phony tories take one on the chin. Brave up B&P there will be many more hits to take.

  • Name

    A rapier thrusting retort if ever I have seen one! Seems I touched a nerve – and one of the self-righteous, hypocritical weasels to which I referred snapped to and coughed up a boring tit-for-tat typical LPC-robotic response.

    I’m tired of the utter and thorough corruption that the LPC brand has come to represent. It’s exposed as a money-vacuum wrapped up in feel-good, money-for-free, everyone’s-a-victim-of-something, buy-Quebec-votes-for-a-majority-at-any-cost bit of tinsel.

    So phony is the LPC that it now has to import leaders from, *gasp*, the United States of America.

  • Name

    A rapier thrusting retort if ever I have seen one! Seems I touched a nerve – and one of the self-righteous, hypocritical weasels to which I referred snapped to and coughed up a boring tit-for-tat typical LPC-robotic response.

    I’m tired of the utter and thorough corruption that the LPC brand has come to represent. It’s exposed as a money-vacuum wrapped up in feel-good, money-for-free, everyone’s-a-victim-of-something, buy-Quebec-votes-for-a-majority-at-any-cost bit of tinsel.

    So phony is the LPC that it now has to import leaders from, *gasp*, the United States of America.

  • Beer and Popcorn

    The Liberal main stream media can’t hide from its lies – their poltical coverage seems to be in the busines of manufacturing scandals and lies.

    From Krista Erikson on the CBC writing questions for Liberal MP Paulo Rodriquez, to James Travers and his daily war on conservatism in the Star, to smiling Robert Fife and Jane Taber on CTV’s Question period.

    Day after day, hour after hour, slamming their agenda of social engineering and Liberal agenda down the throats of Canadians while relentlessly slamming the PM and government.

    Welcome to Trudeau’s Canada.

  • Beer and Popcorn

    The Liberal main stream media can’t hide from its lies – their poltical coverage seems to be in the busines of manufacturing scandals and lies.

    From Krista Erikson on the CBC writing questions for Liberal MP Paulo Rodriquez, to James Travers and his daily war on conservatism in the Star, to smiling Robert Fife and Jane Taber on CTV’s Question period.

    Day after day, hour after hour, slamming their agenda of social engineering and Liberal agenda down the throats of Canadians while relentlessly slamming the PM and government.

    Welcome to Trudeau’s Canada.

  • lauriercluboccassionalwaitress

    terry1 sees everything in Liberal red despite any semblance of reason. Corbell in the Calgary Herald explained that the wafer is consumed by protestants, normally after everyone in the church has received the host. Later juice is provided. She suggested that given the differences in the two churches PM Harper may have noticed everyone ingesting them right away in the catholic service, then he also son did the same according to the priest running the service. terry1 try to understand the gravity of attempting to corrupt our Canadian media. Objectivity starts by trying to put yourself in the other shoes for a moment. But you must have two left feet.

  • Kingston

    Terry1, I think it is time you provided some factual basis for your claims that there was pressure applied to the Irving family and Irving shipbuilding to retract the story in the TJ. Oh by the way, “my god WK said so on his blog does not constitute proof” despite what you think his picture over your homemade shrine in your basement might of whispered to you. I will also caution you that if I was Stephen Harper and you continually called me a liar over this fabricated story, you would of received a letter from my lawyers by this point, just because they are politicians does not mean they have given up their legal rights Terry1.

  • Patsplace

    For some people, lying and cheating is a part of how you do business. It would appear, judging by the “Way to Go Guys” stuff that I'm hearing about taking a funeral for a respected Canadian politician and turning it into some kind of concocted story, totally based on lies, harming the Paper, the Reporters, the Publisher and Editor, the Catholic Church, not to mention forming in peoples minds a view of the Prime Minister as some kind of strange duck and an insult to Catholicism, is just fine in the minds of the slime that inhabit the lower reaches of Canadian Society.

    This takes the terror of no funding for the Liberals, a lessening chance to get back in a position to steal enough to finance the corruption, to new lows.

    And the useful idiots keep on going “Yup, Yup”, not for a minute understanding that they support a corrupt and dying organization.

  • feyenoord

    Its too bad that the Liberals have resorted to trying to cause religious sectarian division in Canada by fabricating a false story when the Prime Minister is showing respect towards a former Governor General.
    This is the low of lows. Where are the apologies?Which Liberal fed Irving?

  • terry1

    Kingston, I have provided the same factual basis that the PM did when he said he ate the host.

    I say Harpo is a liar one more time.

  • terry1

    lauriercluboccassionalwaitress ….pretty lame excuse for your leader's intolerable actions.

  • terry1

    As long as you believe the cons/reformatories have the sacred to alone produce dirty ads and untruths then there is no point in discussing this with you.

    I said the Irivings probably received a phone call about an upcoming shipyard and then they acted on the newspaper report.

  • Patsplace

    Bottom line is that when you lay down with dogs you get up with fleas, and they're dirty!!

    What you probably think happened is not what did happen. Reality is what is, not what you think it should be.

  • terry1

    patsplace, I don't want my country to get fleas and that's why I want Harpo gone.

    look in the mirror and repeat your last two sentences.

  • lauriercluboccassionalwaitress

    Pretty lame excuse for your intolerable partisan zealotry. Grow up and find some purpose.

  • terry1

    lauriercluboccassionalwaitress….I think you're really a dishwasher out of work.

  • ontariotaxpayer

    It is called a metaphore….I was not saying you lived in Toronto….I was saying you sure sound like a LPT disciple… seeing how you brought it up…perhaps you should relocate to be with more like minded individuals…cheers

  • ontariotaxpayer

    air must be a little thin where you live….this proves you need to be in Toronto to feed that Liberal ego all that yummy Liberal O2…… :)

  • ontariotaxpayer

    wow…you are amazing….how much does that medication really cost?? Come on you can tell us…we are all friends here… :)

  • terry1

    northbaytrapper… unlike yours people notice mine. they are powerful and potent

  • terry1

    ontariotaxpayer…………maybe you should move to TO and get properly educated in good liberal doctrine..

  • terry1

    ontariotaxpayer…the reformatory air here in QC is very thin but its got lots of fresh Lib breezes.

  • terry1

    My medicines still get covered by medicare something that wulsd change if Harpo ever got a majority. I'm not worried about that though.

  • ontariotaxpayer

    nawww…born and raised there…got the heck out as soon as I could….too damn Liberal for me!

  • ontariotaxpayer

    Liberal or Bloc? More Bloc I think. If it was More Liberal there would be no Bloc.

  • paulsstuff

    Still struggling with incorrect facts I see Terry. First, neither the PM nor federal government has any role in medicines you recieve under medicare. That's strictly done by the provinces, and varies by age, co-pay, etc.

    Two. I guess you missed the previous memos about the Liberal party and Irving family:

    “Last Updated: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 | 4:30 PM ET
    CBC News
    Minister of Human Resources Development Jane Stewart is the latest cabinet minister to admit to vacationing at the Irving-owned salmon lodge in New Brunswick, CBC News has learned.
    Stewart told CBC Radio she and her family accepted the invitation when she was Minister of Revenue. She said she was invited by her friend, Paul Zed, a member of Parliament at the time and a son-in-law of the Irvings.

    The minister said the federal ethics counselor told her she did nothing wrong by accepting the invitation.

    Jane Stewart

    Four Liberal cabinet ministers have come under fire by Opposition MPs for either taking free flights on Irving corporate jets or making visits to the New Brunswick fishing lodge owned by the family.

    •FROM OCT. 27, 2003: Liberal minister pays for his Irving vacation

    Stewart said she was doing some work in New Brunswick when Zed invited her family to join his at the Irving-owned fishing camp. He arranged and provided the flights.

    Irving Lodge

    “And this invitation presented itself through Paul Zed, we accepted it as friends and families and had a good opportunity to spend some time privately together,” Stewart said.

    Stewart said it was a one-night stay and that there were no discussions with anyone from the Irving corporations. Stewart says she recently provided the details to the federal ethics counselor.

    She said politicians can't be expected to reject invitations from friends.

    “There's nothing wrong with that, and anyone who suggests otherwise is just wrong.”

    •FROM OCT. 27, 2003: PM defends ministers who accepted Irving hospitality

    Prime Minister Jean Chrétien defended his cabinet ministers, saying there's nothing wrong with them accepting hospitality from the Irving family”

    By the way Terry, Chretien was wrong. All those free flights on private Irving jets as well as stays at the fishing lodge were in violation of ethics rules, as they were valued more than $200, and should have been declared. Once this finally hit the news, the Liberal MP's caught all paid the Irvings $1000 to cover the cost. It was later revealed they did not pay gst for the flights or fishing lodge, another boo-boo.

  • terry1

    paulsstuff…I've seen your garbage on other sites and it hasn't improved here. The Irvings are bisexual when it comes to grants…..I guess you missed the memo.

  • paulsstuff

    Try arguing the facts Terry?Parnel. You were wrong about the medicines and wrong about the Irvings. You do know Jane Stewart is married to one, right? Strong ties between the Irvings and other notable Liberals? Read Stephen Maher's article in the paper today basically quoting Kinsella's conspiracy theories?

    Provide some factual info on Irving ties to the Conservative Party, not the rumor and innuendo you copy and paste from the Prince of Dumbness blog Kinsella. I await your response.

  • terry1

    the irvings are like the Demarais family who are mostly Liberal but make friends on both sides of the spectrum. Demarais son is married to Chretien's daughter and Mulroney was jsut at his Malabaie retreat. The Irvings do the same thing and play the same game.

    I like the way you frame Kinsella…..he really gets under reformatory skins and I note that he has basically challenged any tory to sue him over wafergate. He's a bull, a proven winner and not a BS'er. His war room will make Harpo lose his cool and get stupid, as he usually does, in the election because that's easy for WK to do. Parnel?? what's that?

  • paulsstuff

    Funny Terry, when a Conservative threatens lawsuit you cry libel chill, yet you boast of Kinsella suing people. Thing is Terry it's easier for Kinsella to sue than the average person as he is a lawyer, and has the ability to get legal counsel rather freely.

    As for Parnel, that's the name you post under on Kinsella's blog. Surely you aren't that stupid to now try and act like you don't know what I'm talking about. By clicking on your user name on Kinsella's blog, it allows people to see comments you have left on other blogs as well. You yourself referenced a comment you left here as Terry1 on Kinsella's blog when signed in as Parnel.

    See folks, Terry/Parnel has multiple personalities, and seems to have trouble remembering them. Should I call you Maria as well Terry/Parnel? You left a comment on Delacourt's Toronto Star blog with that name.

    The wonders of the internet.

  • paulsstuff

    And just in case you are still too dim-witted to figure it out, you left this comment on Kinsella's blog:

    “WK, I just stuck your reponse in the Taylor blog. He and his nut bars were gloating until your blog came out and he then pushed his down by inserting an interview with Stock Day at the top of the blog. Typical reformatory BS.”

    Clicking on user Parnel links to the comment left here by you, under the name Terry1. Still wanna keep acting stupid?

  • terry1

    Im less dimwitted than you imagine. I've also seen your poorly written stuff elsewhere. And tell me what is wrong with that.

    My point was well made in WK's blog. He liked it a lot.

  • paulsstuff

    Gee Terry. You've gone from pretending you never heard the name Parnel, to now admitting it's your user name on WK's blog. My stuff is poorly written? Sorry bud, my comments are always researched sand factual, whereas yours are either WK copy and paste or something along the line of kindegarten rants, your flea comment above being a perfect example. And I love this comment: “Im less dimwitted than you imagine”. So you admit you are dim-witted, just not as severe as I alluded too. Brilliant.

    And by the way, you need to do some research on the Irving family and their political links. Try starting with the $100,000 dollar donation to Paul Martin's leadership campaign.

    And remember Terry1/Parnel/Maria, google is your friend.

  • terry1

    Paulstuff, I've see you name around on the net also.
    My apologies, I meant to say I'm less dimwitted than you and the stuff you purport to report as facts. They are your version of the truth and just like all reformatories you wouldn't know the realtruth if it hit you in the lower cranial region. WK is also very quick to point that out to the idiots who try and usurp him as are other Lib bloggers.

    The Irvings, as stated, play both sides of the political coin,and both parties court them regularly. I know they are conservatives as a fact and if you're so good at reeearch you'll find the missing link. lets see how much of a hot shot you really are.

    Maria?? sorry that one's definitely not me.

  • paulsstuff

    Sorry Terry/Parnel, but even the Hill Times disagrees with you:

    “The busy port city of Saint John is home to Irving Oil, and the Irving family has long been aligned with the Liberal Party. The incumbent Liberal MP, Paul Zed, also has a more personal connection to the vastly wealthy and powerful Irvings though his ex-wife, Judith Irving, granddaughter of K.C. Irving”

    And your man-crush on Kinsella is getting a little worrisome. Perhaps you might want to up the dosage on those meds you insist the federal government pays for, which was also factually wrong.

  • terry1

    Sorry paulstuff, there's other more interesting stuff about how the family play politics.
    http://www.dominionpaper.ca/weblog/2004/09/work
    “How does Irving get away with this you may ask? Well there are 2 main reasons
    for this. First one is, they buy off politicians. I suspect the first Politician they bought off was Elsie Wayne. For those readers who don't know her, she is an old hag, ultra conservative bigoted homophobe. Luckily for us she is out of politics unfortunately, until she is dead and buried, she will still have alot of influence on things. Many top liberals have been bought Off also, many of you may recall the scandal of liberal cabinet ministers Taking free trips on the Irving jet to vacation at the Irving private resort.
    …………………

    You see they play both sides equally. Mulroney was frequently in their company and having down business with the family for over 20 years I know how they vote. I don't think amateur sleuths like you trying to be a pro are going to sway my personal knowledge of how they operate and how they actually vote….which is with their wallets in mind.

  • paulsstuff

    Again Parnel/Terry1/Maria, you show your ignorance, quoting from a blog rather than factual outlets. The Irving family actually supported the Liberal opponent of Elsie Wayne, a guy by the name of, wait for it, Paul Zed. The Irvings were quite vocal in their criticism and dislike for Wayne:

    “The president of Irving Shipbuilding says Saint John MP Elsie Wayne needs to get her facts straight. James D. Irving says Wayne's remarks Monday on CBC Radio are absolute junk.
    Irving calls it a cheap political shot for Wayne to say the owners of Saint John Shipbuilding are not working hard enough for a national shipbuilding policy.”

  • northbaytrapper

    rofl

    Forgive me. I didn't mean to cross paths with one who is both powerful and potent!

    You actually believe that people who read this are impressed by you, or are influenced by you? The reason people respond to you is because there is no other game….it's like fishing for pickeral, seeing that there is no action, so you settle for jigging sunfish and perch. It's not nearly as satisfying, but it makes the afternoon go by.

  • northbaytrapper

    rofl

    Forgive me. I didn't mean to cross paths with one who is both powerful and potent!

    You actually believe that people who read this are impressed by you, or are influenced by you? The reason people respond to you is because there is no other game….it's like fishing for pickeral, seeing that there is no action, so you settle for jigging sunfish and perch. It's not nearly as satisfying, but it makes the afternoon go by.