Liberals: election now, before the economy gets better

In politics, one is usually driven to action to prevent a problem from developing, or to act to make something better when it is going in the wrong direction.

On the website of Michael Ignatieff’s war room chief Warren Kinsella, we learn why the Liberals are itching for an election now:

[In] politics, as in war, you attack when your opponent is weak, not strong. … Right now – due to the recession, due to a stumblebum Tory team, due to their leader who nobody likes – we know the other side is really, really weak. In a few months – due to a economy rebounding, mainly – they could be strong. Go with what you know is the reality, not what you hope may be the reality.

Of course, this logic is sound; if your enemy is weak, attack your enemy. This is strategy 101 and Iggy’s guy is among the best in the professional political class. However, it is difficult for Michael Ignatieff to say that he wants parliament to work when Liberal strategy reveals itself as ambition at the expense of jobs and the economy. If the economy is on track to rebound, why endanger this by throwing the helmsman overboard with an election? Prime Minister Stephen Harper released his second report on the Economic Action Plan to see Canada through this difficult economic period. Conservatives have revealed that 80% of planned stimulus is already out of the gate and those shovels are in the ground. It was also revealed that increased EI payments accounted for a large chunk of the deficit.

It will be difficult for the Liberals to go to an election on the economy for the following reasons.

  1. their chief election strategist explains that the economy will get better under the Conservatives and that the reason why Canadians should go to an election is because the Liberals don’t want the Tories to get the credit.
  2. they’ve complained that the stimulus money isn’t flowing when in fact it is.
  3. they’ve complained about the size of deficit when their only major plan for the economy is to increase EI eligibility (ballooning the deficit)
  4. Michael Ignatieff has written 17 books but at most a few scant paragraphs on economic theory while Stephen Harper has a graduate degree in economics.
  5. Ignatieff’s friends in the White House are racking up substantially larger deficits per capita and are doing nothing to stop an allied congress from destroying the Canadian economy with its “Buy American” protectionism.
  6. The Liberals have not produced any substantial pushback outside of Parliament save a boring two minute Youtube lecture on the politics of nice from Dr. Ignatieff. And on the economy? Grit girl Youtube ads? Torytube it ain’t, Warren.
  7. The Liberals don’t have a strong record themselves of balancing their own books. In substantial debt themselves under Dion and still posting underwhelming fundraising numbers under Ignatieff, how can the Liberals manage our pocketbooks when they cannot manage theirs?
  8. Conservative scandals highlighted by the opposition have not been on the economy. Raitt-gate will not turn the average voter. The scandal regarding Raitt’s unfortunate private remarks about cancer may indeed represent a “sexy” opportunity for career advancement for Dr. Ignatieff, however, he’ll find that the average Canadian voter doesn’t find this inside the Queensway stuff all too sexy or even relevant to them. Isotope supply is relevant, but a tape recording is not.
  9. If Michael Ignatieff wants to run an election on EI, he should wait a few years in order to pay as much into the system as the average Canadian voter. Forgive the talking point, but the man was outside of Canada for 34 years.
  10. During an election, Liberals will without fail propose social spending to fix the economy. This puts them on the ugly side of the wedge that is the $50 billion deficit.

Comments

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  • Alberta Bob

    Future senator Tom Clark?

  • Alberta Bob

    Future senator Tom Clark?

  • jm

    Can you put up a link to that handbook Gayle? I take it that you have obviously read it with the frequency that you use that talking point.

  • jm

    Can you put up a link to that handbook Gayle? I take it that you have obviously read it with the frequency that you use that talking point.

  • jm

    Can you put up a link to that handbook Gayle? I take it that you have obviously read it with the frequency that you use that talking point.

  • terry1

    paulsstuff….
    1.the fact Harpercrite created the law as part of his so called accountability act and then used his own loophole speaks volumes abour his lack of ethics. Your excuse about the other parties buyng into a loophole is very weak. The intent and spirit of that law was to have elections every four years unless the government was defeated in the HOC. That will be used against the ?tories if the Libs pull the plug next week.

    2. your sentence is pure nonsense and is beyond comprehension. Tthe simple fact is the world knew there was a recession coming over a year ago and the populists sat on thier asses doing nothing until forced to by the coalition in December. even now Flatulence is trying to impose his populist crap on the G8 when the numbers continue to tell us things are still quite weak. The inflation that will be the hangover is from too much stimulus in the US. The so called Canadian stimulus is made of of many things that were in spending estimates already but has given the Harpercrites cover from a deficit that would have been worse than announced last year. Flaherty is a well known liar.

    3. You couldn't prove your way out of a paper bag on economics. the $170BB number was stated by TD Economists and backed up by others. The tories have not even really tried to deny it.
    The GST cut copst the treasury closer to $13BB and will not go down to anywhere $6BB unless the economy drops another 30% or so. Where do you get this voodoo magic from? You are suggesting that people are consuming 50% less than last year? WOW……disneyland is hiring go tell them that story.

    4. Fundraising …. 3 to 1…… hmmm. The facts are that the tories raised 4.3 million in Q1 this year and the libs brought in $1.8MM. that's not 3 to 1 in my math. Last year the Libs brought in $550K in the same period and the cons $4.9MM. Guess where the momentum has shifted. In this quarter the Libs are already well over $2.5MM and may hit $3MM while the Tory revenues are still droppping and may go below $4mm thanks to Harpercrite's great popularity. Their base is eroding and the Lib base is building to a goal of over $20MM a year and their membership numbers are building very fast as each riding has targets and goals to hit, something they never did before. Back to basic math school for you…then again tories can't ever learn to count correctly

    I think the lies and baseless comments are yours my friend. You have not gotten one fact right in your flailing around facts you don't know. You can fool your fellow tories with your poor math skills but I know the real numbers and I'm not a tory.

  • terry1

    Iggy has not abandoned the left wing of his party. Trudeau,Dryden and Kennedy to name a few are lefties and they are getting full play inside the party and in policy discussions. Iggy is going to widen the party's appeal and he will not abandon his left wing. The very fact Harper's growth can only come if he moves to the center is a good reason for Iggy to capture that space and leave reformatories with their 25% base. Smart politics and a plan for a majority which the Libs are on the verge of in popularity if not already there.

  • terry1

    Mary T……not true the spending has already somewhat started but the majority of announcements are being held back so the tories can make announcements all summer long. They are playing politics with the recession funding while people continue to lose thir jobs. Iggy rightfully wants to make sure they don't get that unfair advantage and that is the reason he may pull the electon trigger. Harper continues to dig his own grave.

  • Liz J

    Yeah, and reports from “reporters” were it was all staged, soft ball questions, yada, yada. It's a disgrace really, to have the PM of our country treated like a nobody by the media, no respect.

    It can't be said enough, we are witnessing a media shilling for the Liberals, it's the stuff of dictatorships. Having a coalition threat to take down the government is another tactic not sen is stable democracies. There was no legitimate reason, it was all about a grab for power by those who had no hope of ever attaining it through the democratic process.

    An election now would not be in our best interests but Jack and Gilles have gone up the hill together and with Puss Iggy in the corner, who knows?

  • Liz J

    If the Conservatives were the ones threatening an election, a mere eight months after the last one, which gave us a Conservative increased minority, there would be polls from Nanos, Ekos, Ipsos-Reid et al telling us we do not want an election.

    It's starting to look like the Opposition parties can't get along and do their jobs so we the people have to put in a majority government. Conservative is what's needed at this time because of the solid leadership and the inexperience of the Liberal leader. Electing the Liberals would be like going for an unknown quantity, we will not know who is pulling the strings in the party, who is really carrying a leader who really needs a few more chords on the banjo. It would be proof of crass opportunism at the expense of the country. It is scary to think the opposition parties are out to destabilize the country in this unprecedented global recession, it's no fault of this government and they have nothing to offer to improve it. Even Liberals should know better. Perhaps if they get reduced further they'll learn to respect the people's choice to govern in our system of government. That's what's needed.

  • Gabby in QC

    Once again, Terry’s torrent of words contains an unintended truth:

    “he [WK] generates fear and loathing in Tory circles just as you've shown. He must have something going for him … “
    That must be why YOU and others like you fear and loathe PM Harper so much – because he [Stephen Harper] “must have something going for him”.

    Watch out for that mouth in overdrive!

  • Liz J

    Must clarify, “they” as meaning the Opposition who have nothing to offer to improve the present situation, they've had nothing to backup their criticism but instead are concentrating on gaining power above all else. The cabal who are pulling the strings in the LPC will have to come up with a few alternatives that are better, an election campaign will demand it.

  • terry1

    Gabby the lone tory in QC……I do fear Harper. I fear his relentless attempt to to divide this country. I fear his ideology of religious right intolerance if he ever got a majority.

    I loathe him because he has no ethics and lies openly.

    My mouth in overdrive has some ideals about my Country that 70% of my fellow citizens share. We don't want this guy changing our Country to his image of nasty right wing ideology.

    Do you get it now?

  • terry1

    Gayle you are writing logically. They think using the loophole he did last fall was smart politics. They think shutting down parliament was smart politics and they got Iggy as their reward….LOL

    Ethics and honesty are not conservative party traits.

    They want to avoid an election because their (l)demon leader will lose.

  • Gabby in QC

    Terry, allow me to repeat myself – I'd rather be “the lone tory in QC” as you refer to me than travel in your hate-filled paranoid world.
    “It is better to be alone than in bad company.” Ralph Waldo Emerson

  • batb

    Tories, and most sane Canadians, don't want an election eight months after the last one not because we fear Ignatieff or his LPC — though we're loathe to think of what an LPC “victory” would mean for the well-being of Canada and Canadians — but because an election so soon after our last one would be a desperate, and costly, ploy on the part of the Librano$ to way too prematurely wrest power from a duly elected government.

    I don't think in my rather long life that I've ever seen such unabashed arrogance as that of the Liberal Party of Canada which has used every dirty trick in the book to try and get back into power, not because they have any viable policies to benefit Canadians but because they are, in their high and lofty opinion, “the natural ruling party of Canada.” They scratch and claw at their opponents unmercifully, not to help Canadians but to advance their “agenda,” which is simply to get back into power in the HOC.

    This is a political party badly in need of rebuilding, of revisioning. They've had to bring in a come-from-away figurehead because none of the legitimate, long-time Liberals, who might have taken upon themselves the mantle of leadership, ran as fast and as far from this laurel as they could. Their only agenda is to regain political power in Canada, with no discernible policies to help Canadians through this economic recession.

    It is obscene that in a time of international instability and uncertainty, in which our current CPC government is ably — not perfectly — steering the ship of state through treacherous shoals, keeping Canada on a much more even keel than other countries, the LPC are champing at the bit for another opportunity to wrest power from the governing party — for their own gain.

    I think that most Canadians can see what the LPC are up to, despite their MSM beards. Canadians don't want to be distracted by bogus scandals, given long legs by the media's Tabers, Bonners, Olivers, and Fifes. We're much more interested in hanging onto our hard-earned dollars in order to benefit our families, priorities the CPC seem to understand.

  • scanoo

    bravo Gabby – you capture the essence of all lieberal arguments – when you can produce NO valid platform, revert to fear and loathing – works for them, but one look at the fine family in 24 sussex speaks volumes

  • scanoo

    bravo Gabby – you capture the essence of all lieberal arguments – when you can produce NO valid platform, revert to fear and loathing – works for them, but one look at the fine family in 24 sussex speaks volumes

  • scanoo

    bravo Gabby – you capture the essence of all lieberal arguments – when you can produce NO valid platform, revert to fear and loathing – works for them, but one look at the fine family in 24 sussex speaks volumes

  • kingston

    Well I humble beg to differ, Iggy is abandoning the left of the LPC and if your being honest you would acknowledge it. The political spectrum of this country has become stagnant with the CPC holding around 33 %, the LPC topping out at about 28% the NDP around 17% and the Blog holding its 9% and the Greens around 6% when everyone is happy and content with their parties. That leaves if my math is correct about 7 % of the voting population in play. Those are the voters that are being targeted by both the LPC and the CPC and to a lesser extent the NDP although they if they want to grow more must poach from the left of LPC. All the growth of the NDP and the Greens have come from the LPC and the Conservative base well I will admit you are correct at this point in time is a little bit peeved at the CPC really has no where to go as this percentage of the party strength is further to the right then the majority of the party so I do not see Iggy poaching them.

    Now back to the topic of if there is an election this summer, I truly believe if it does happen it will be because one of the party whips cannot count, an election at this point does not benefit the LPC, NDP or the Bloc. Their hope be it in the countries best interest or not is to hope for the small upturn in the economy to self-destruct or the CPC does something else stupid to annoy the voting population.

  • Gayle

    It amuses me to see that some of you might actually believe the CPC are more nobly motivated than any other party. Seriously, do you think the CPC did not bring down the LPC “for their own gain”?

    And this is just funny:

    “I don't think in my rather long life that I've ever seen such unabashed arrogance as that of the Liberal Party of Canada which has used every dirty trick in the book to try and get back into power, not because they have any viable policies to benefit Canadians…”

    Do you remember the last election, the one Harper called in violation of his own law so that he could have that election at a time advantageous to his party, when he said this:

    there will be no deficit
    there will be no recession
    the Green Shift is a tax on everything (while ommitting any reference to the tax cuts contained in the GS)
    Dion will raise the GST (after Dion clearly stated he would not)

    And let us not forget that Harper did not even release a platform until pressured to do so. Speaking of arrogance…

    Spare me your self righteous sanctimonious clap trap. This is not a story of “Harper the Pure of Heart” being attacked by the “Black Hearted Ignatieff”. These are two political parties who believe they should govern Canada. They are both as opportunistic as the other.

    This constant whine about the mean and nasty LPC for daring to consider bringing down the government is hypocritical, and accomplishes nothing but to expose your fear, because you know the LPC may win. If you believed Harper would get a majority you would be all for an election right now.

    In any event, Harper could easily avoid an election by playing ball with the NDP. That is, after all, what governing in a minority is supposed to be about – cooperation with the opposition. Maybe he should try that rather than allow his own arrogance get in the way of making parliament productive.

  • kingston

    Terry1,, be careful how you make general comments about conservatives. would hate to launch a CHRC complaint against you..lol

  • terry1

    More of the bird brained nonsense that comes from the Tory version of logic. The Liberals acted within ther constitution but did not collect the funds in a proper manner. That money all went into general funds and not into anyones pockets. As a taxpayer I am happy they used th emoney to pay down our long term debt as opposed to sitting in a fund that was in surplus and serving no good to Canadians. the accounting was kept separate so the public knew how much was in the fund.

    Factually, the supreme court did not order specific remedies or recommend how to address the problem which shows the decision was technically correct but practically ok.
    The fact also remains that those funds are still going into general revenues and when stripped out will increase the deficit by several billions more thus making the tories look even worse off with their mismanagement of the economy. why do you think they don't want to touch EI regional disparities now. Pandoras box will open on them is why!!!.

    Next senseless thought please. This is fun.

  • MrEd

    LOL….ya,…most liberal economist disagree with Harper…must be trying to move into a position to get thei hands on the cookie jar should the Libs manage to win power again….what’s a few 100 million when you can get your hands on a couple hundred billion…

    Last in, first out,…but what does the rest of the planet have to do with anything when it comes to analizing the world economy… I trust Liberal bankers to be honest…NOT!!!

    Pretty sad when Canadians have to read Austrailian, German, British and American news sites to get the news about what’s going on here at home while the media here has a frenzy over lost tape recordings, forgotten and outdated briefs, and the opposition party who’s grumbling about a summer election 8 months after the last loss they were handed AGAIN…

    Last I checked Canadians across all of Canada less Totonto and Quebec chose a Harper Gov’t resoundingly over Dion or Martin…Quebec has shown the rest of Canada that they refuse to vote for anyone but quebec so only a party who has a leader from there has a hope of winning that province…there short sighted loss or method of remaining the spioled little sister that wants the pony…Iffy with his 34 years of abandoning first his country and later a family in Britian, Calling America “His country”, and then being parachuted into a riding he couldn’t lose will be sent back to Harvard, if they’ll take him…they maynot let him through customs like Bob Rae, after this brief visit to Canada…

  • MrEd

    LOL….ya,…most liberal economist disagree with Harper…must be trying to move into a position to get thei hands on the cookie jar should the Libs manage to win power again….what’s a few 100 million when you can get your hands on a couple hundred billion…

    Last in, first out,…but what does the rest of the planet have to do with anything when it comes to analizing the world economy… I trust Liberal bankers to be honest…NOT!!!

    Pretty sad when Canadians have to read Austrailian, German, British and American news sites to get the news about what’s going on here at home while the media here has a frenzy over lost tape recordings, forgotten and outdated briefs, and the opposition party who’s grumbling about a summer election 8 months after the last loss they were handed AGAIN…

    Last I checked Canadians across all of Canada less Totonto and Quebec chose a Harper Gov’t resoundingly over Dion or Martin…Quebec has shown the rest of Canada that they refuse to vote for anyone but quebec so only a party who has a leader from there has a hope of winning that province…there short sighted loss or method of remaining the spioled little sister that wants the pony…Iffy with his 34 years of abandoning first his country and later a family in Britian, Calling America “His country”, and then being parachuted into a riding he couldn’t lose will be sent back to Harvard, if they’ll take him…they maynot let him through customs like Bob Rae, after this brief visit to Canada…

  • MrEd

    LOL….ya,…most liberal economist disagree with Harper…must be trying to move into a position to get thei hands on the cookie jar should the Libs manage to win power again….what’s a few 100 million when you can get your hands on a couple hundred billion…

    Last in, first out,…but what does the rest of the planet have to do with anything when it comes to analizing the world economy… I trust Liberal bankers to be honest…NOT!!!

    Pretty sad when Canadians have to read Austrailian, German, British and American news sites to get the news about what’s going on here at home while the media here has a frenzy over lost tape recordings, forgotten and outdated briefs, and the opposition party who’s grumbling about a summer election 8 months after the last loss they were handed AGAIN…

    Last I checked Canadians across all of Canada less Totonto and Quebec chose a Harper Gov’t resoundingly over Dion or Martin…Quebec has shown the rest of Canada that they refuse to vote for anyone but quebec so only a party who has a leader from there has a hope of winning that province…there short sighted loss or method of remaining the spioled little sister that wants the pony…Iffy with his 34 years of abandoning first his country and later a family in Britian, Calling America “His country”, and then being parachuted into a riding he couldn’t lose will be sent back to Harvard, if they’ll take him…they maynot let him through customs like Bob Rae, after this brief visit to Canada…

  • terry1

    JM, ask your local MP. Every MP got a copy after it was leaked. check Hansard and you will see a record of the Libs bringing it up in the house. Nice try at a cover up for your party,though.

  • terry1

    bravo Gayle…great post.

  • terry1

    Mervin, I knew you would show up here sooner or later with your western bias and anti eastern senseless garbage.

    I think you need to read few more recent Nanos polls to see how way off base you are. Harpercrite is quickly becoming the most despised PM after Mulroney. His strong forte of being a master strategist and dictator has become an albatross around his neck and he has no one to help shoulder the load. Of course you can't that far from your prairie digs.

  • terry1

    Gabby, the lone QC tory. I live in a wonderful loving environment in a community of good middle class people, including many red Tories, who see Harper for the poor manager he is and who clearly see the danger of him getting a majority with his ideological bent.

    As a minority government, however, he is doing well to emulate NDP fiscal policies.

  • Gabby in QC

    Hey, third time Terry puts his foot in his mouth in the same thread:
    “… with your western bias”
    and
    “Of course you can't that far from your prairie digs.”

    Pssst! Terry, your newfound bosom buddy Gayle is from Edmonton. Last time I looked that's considered to be “the West.”

    Signed: “the lone tory in QC”
    “It is better to be alone than in bad company.” Ralph Waldo Emerson

  • terry1

    Gabby the lone QC tory.

    Did I say everyone's western bias or his own personal one?

    Once again you try and put words in my mouth. Stick to your own opinions and try not to meddle in mine. Answers are ok, Trying to outhink me will result in serious failure on your part.

    There are many good liberals like Gayle in Edmonton and I think the party will break through there in the coming election on their way to a majority.

  • Gayle

    Does being from Edmonton automatically mean I have a wester bias?

  • hollinm

    What will Iggy go to an election on? EI changes that will allow people after working 10 weeks to get a years’ worth of EI? This will not help the long employed person who finds him/her self out of a job after many years. They already qualify. Most right thinking Canadians would say 10 weeks is too low a threshold. Will the Count argue that the stimulus is not flowing quickly enough? The money is going to be spent on infrastructure which has a long lead time to begin the work. The government is forcing the provinces and municipalities to share the burden. That is good but it takes time. They will be selective in the projects they pick to ensure they get the biggest bang for their buck. What else is there? Lisa Raitt? Most Canadians would not vote against the government over this issue.
    Will Iggy go to the people because he has a better plan to manage the recession? If he has he sure is hiding it well. Polls suggest that the Harper government may not win the next election. However, Iggy is not catching on with Canadians. Otherwise his poll numbers would be through the roof and Canadians would be clammering for an election. None of that is true. So the Libs may be strong in Quebec but are not doing well in the West. Campaigns do make a difference. Iggy is a neophyte and Harper well experienced with a experienced, well financed campaign team. So the arrogant, officious Count should be careful what he wishes for.

  • hollinm

    What will Iggy go to an election on? EI changes that will allow people after working 10 weeks to get a years’ worth of EI? This will not help the long employed person who finds him/her self out of a job after many years. They already qualify. Most right thinking Canadians would say 10 weeks is too low a threshold. Will the Count argue that the stimulus is not flowing quickly enough? The money is going to be spent on infrastructure which has a long lead time to begin the work. The government is forcing the provinces and municipalities to share the burden. That is good but it takes time. They will be selective in the projects they pick to ensure they get the biggest bang for their buck. What else is there? Lisa Raitt? Most Canadians would not vote against the government over this issue.
    Will Iggy go to the people because he has a better plan to manage the recession? If he has he sure is hiding it well. Polls suggest that the Harper government may not win the next election. However, Iggy is not catching on with Canadians. Otherwise his poll numbers would be through the roof and Canadians would be clammering for an election. None of that is true. So the Libs may be strong in Quebec but are not doing well in the West. Campaigns do make a difference. Iggy is a neophyte and Harper well experienced with a experienced, well financed campaign team. So the arrogant, officious Count should be careful what he wishes for.

  • hollinm

    What will Iggy go to an election on? EI changes that will allow people after working 10 weeks to get a years’ worth of EI? This will not help the long employed person who finds him/her self out of a job after many years. They already qualify. Most right thinking Canadians would say 10 weeks is too low a threshold. Will the Count argue that the stimulus is not flowing quickly enough? The money is going to be spent on infrastructure which has a long lead time to begin the work. The government is forcing the provinces and municipalities to share the burden. That is good but it takes time. They will be selective in the projects they pick to ensure they get the biggest bang for their buck. What else is there? Lisa Raitt? Most Canadians would not vote against the government over this issue.
    Will Iggy go to the people because he has a better plan to manage the recession? If he has he sure is hiding it well. Polls suggest that the Harper government may not win the next election. However, Iggy is not catching on with Canadians. Otherwise his poll numbers would be through the roof and Canadians would be clammering for an election. None of that is true. So the Libs may be strong in Quebec but are not doing well in the West. Campaigns do make a difference. Iggy is a neophyte and Harper well experienced with a experienced, well financed campaign team. So the arrogant, officious Count should be careful what he wishes for.

  • scanoo

    go get 'em gabby – it is so tiresome to hear terry1 rant endlessly, and of course call himself a great “thinker” – he should be more modest – he has much to be modest about – if spouting spinsella bs is the best he can do ………………………….his paranoic blather and lack of policy reflection, is a complete rejection of the principles that made the once great party of Laurier, reduce itself to its lowest numbers in a hundred years – surely Gayle can advise why the lone opposition mp in Alberta is NDP ? (gasp)
    - thinkers indeed – more like dorks

  • http://www.stephentaylor.ca Stephen Taylor

    Can we raise the bar here?

  • Bocanut

    Gayle isn't a Liberal.

  • Bocanut

    So what political party do yoy support?

  • terry1

    Not the regressive reformatories that's for sure.

  • Gabby in QC

    “Once again you try and put words in my mouth.”
    Terry, how could I possibly do that?
    There's no room for me to put any words in your mouth, what with the flood of words spewing from there … and let's not forget your foot …

    OK, OK, don't pop a vein.
    Since Stephen wants us “to raise the bar” I promise not to read nor react to any more of Terry's venomous vituperations.

    “It is better to be alone than in bad company.” Ralph Waldo Emerson

  • Bocanut

    My apologies ,WK’s geezer punk band is called “Shit From Hell”.

  • Bocanut

    My apologies ,WK’s geezer punk band is called “Shit From Hell”.

  • Bocanut

    My apologies ,WK’s geezer punk band is called “Shit From Hell”.

  • Bocanut

    You say that like it’s a good thing.
    Anyways,If the Conservative party decided to run an ad quoting the wanna be punker saying :

    “In] politics, as in war, you attack when your opponent is weak, not strong. … Right now – due to the recession, due to a stumblebum Tory team, due to their leader who nobody likes – we know the other side is really, really weak. In a few months – due to a economy rebounding, mainly – they could be strong. Go with what you know is the reality, not what you hope may be the reality.”
    would you consider this an attack ad ?

  • Bocanut

    You say that like it’s a good thing.
    Anyways,If the Conservative party decided to run an ad quoting the wanna be punker saying :

    “In] politics, as in war, you attack when your opponent is weak, not strong. … Right now – due to the recession, due to a stumblebum Tory team, due to their leader who nobody likes – we know the other side is really, really weak. In a few months – due to a economy rebounding, mainly – they could be strong. Go with what you know is the reality, not what you hope may be the reality.”
    would you consider this an attack ad ?

  • Bocanut

    You say that like it’s a good thing.
    Anyways,If the Conservative party decided to run an ad quoting the wanna be punker saying :

    “In] politics, as in war, you attack when your opponent is weak, not strong. … Right now – due to the recession, due to a stumblebum Tory team, due to their leader who nobody likes – we know the other side is really, really weak. In a few months – due to a economy rebounding, mainly – they could be strong. Go with what you know is the reality, not what you hope may be the reality.”
    would you consider this an attack ad ?

  • Bocanut

    Proof or a link to this statement would be nice:
    “Sadly, most of the real economists seem to disagree with him.”

  • Bocanut

    Proof or a link to this statement would be nice:
    “Sadly, most of the real economists seem to disagree with him.”