Warren Kinsella misfires

Our friend Warren Kinsella of the red team, calls me out as a hypocrite for blogging about Michael Ignatieff’s $0 record of donation to the Liberal Party of Canada in 2008, whereas Warren points out Elections Canada lists me as giving $0 to the CPC in 2008.

There are a couple of quick points I should make about this:
– I actually didn’t do this. I didn’t call out Ignatieff for his lack of donations to the Liberal Party. So I am being called a hypocrite for something I didn’t do!
– I did in fact donate to the Conservative Party in 2008. Warren, you don’t appreciate that cheques for less than $200 are not publicly disclosed by Elections Canada. I suppose that Warren thinks that folks that write cheques for less than $200 aren’t “putting their money where their mouth is”. I suppose Warren might say that only those that cut big cheques are allowed to have a voice!
– Warren also doesn’t appreciate the difference between movement and party. I work full time for the Manning Centre for Building Democracy, a integral organization in the conservative movement.
– I’ve never been paid $1 by the Conservative Party, whereas you are and have been paid by the Liberal Party for communications! Putting my money where my mouth is? The Liberal Party pays for your mouth!
– If we’re going to compare apples to apples here, you ask “What did they donate to the Conservative Party last year?”, I ask “What did you donate to the Liberal Party last year?” Elections Canada has you listed as $0 to the Liberal Party of Canada in 2008. (You gave to the Ignatieff leadership campaign)

You write,

Michael Ignatieff has donated through the Laurier Club in 2006, 2007, 2008 and 2009. Both Michael and his wife, Zsuzsanna Zsohar, have donated the maximum amount to the Michael Ignatieff campaign in 2009. And, in 2007, Zsuzsanna donated $1,000 to Michael’s riding and $1,000 to the Liberal Party.

First of all, the Laurier Club doesn’t mean anything in a legal sense to Elections Canada. To Liberals, it’s the max donor club. To Elections Canada, it could be called the “First Annual Montgomery Burns Award for Outstanding Achievement in the Field of Excellence… Club” and it would have the same legal standing. Anyway, donations to the “Laurier Club” are in fact donations to the Liberal Party. And, according to Elections Canada, Michael Ignatieff has donated $0 in 2008. So, either Michael Ignatieff has given $0, or he’s made his donations off-book (you say he’s given the max amount), or you’re mistaken and he’s given as many normal political donors do, with a $50 cheque here and a $75 cheque there. You really shouldn’t be hard on us regular folk, you with your top hat, monocle and deeds to all four railroads, both utilities and Pennsylvania avenue!

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  • terry1

    Did he not blantly lie about the income trust tax? did he notbreak hs own law and call an election tweo years early? did he not tell us there was no deficit when he gave us the so called economic update in November. In actual fact they wer ein deficit then and knew it as subsequent disclosures have shown.

    He reduced the amount of certain donations from $5000 to $1000 thus further destabilizing the Liberal donation base.

  • Robert

    Tell you what. Lets wait 6 months. That's a long time in politics. We'll see what the numbers are then.

  • kalford

    I see Warren is now also trying to play art critic to Bourque.

    A rather amusing stance for a punk rock wannabee who would be lucky to win a muscial talent competetion over a drunkard with dry heaves. :-)

  • kalford

    I see Warren is now also trying to play art critic to Bourque.

    A rather amusing stance for a punk rock wannabee who would be lucky to win a muscial talent competetion over a drunkard with dry heaves. :-)

  • Jon

    Michael,

    I assume Capital C is a reference to being a large C Conservative. I think you'll cover that next year in your grade 9 civics class… I also assume you're from Ontario?

  • Jon

    …”since I presume Warren's info would be correct.”

    Isn't the definition of insanity: Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results?

  • Michael

    Duh, ya think Jon? I would never have guessed.

  • http://www.punditsguide.ca Pundits’ Guide

    Technically, either Michael Ignatieff or Warren Kinsella could have donated as much as $800 to the Liberal Party in 2008 and not shown up in the quarterly filings, Stephen. Similarly you could have donated as much as $800 to your party of choice and been invisible.

    Here’s how: contributors don’t have to be named in the quarterly filings unless the sum of their donations in that quarter exceeded $200. However, they will show up in the ANNUAL filings if the sum of their donations over the year exceeded $200. Summing across the year will see many more names included than merely summing across the quarter.

    So, it’s conceivable that some of the names in Warren’s post will appear in the annual filings, along with his own name and that of his leader. Those annual reports aren’t publicly available until shortly after they’re due (the end of June).

    As I explained in a recent post at the Pundits’ Guide, the whole is different than the sum of the quarters in those party reports. It’s just the way they implemented that $200 reporting threshold.

  • http://www.punditsguide.ca Pundits’ Guide

    Technically, either Michael Ignatieff or Warren Kinsella could have donated as much as $800 to the Liberal Party in 2008 and not shown up in the quarterly filings, Stephen. Similarly you could have donated as much as $800 to your party of choice and been invisible.

    Here’s how: contributors don’t have to be named in the quarterly filings unless the sum of their donations in that quarter exceeded $200. However, they will show up in the ANNUAL filings if the sum of their donations over the year exceeded $200. Summing across the year will see many more names included than merely summing across the quarter.

    So, it’s conceivable that some of the names in Warren’s post will appear in the annual filings, along with his own name and that of his leader. Those annual reports aren’t publicly available until shortly after they’re due (the end of June).

    As I explained in a recent post at the Pundits’ Guide, the whole is different than the sum of the quarters in those party reports. It’s just the way they implemented that $200 reporting threshold.

  • canadian mom let down by pm

    He also deliberately mislead Canadians calling the coalition undemocratic knowing full well it wasn't, and what is worse he himself was ready to form an alliance with the bloc in 2004, the party he literally demonized to deflect attention from himself. Are these the actions of an ethical man?

    People have increasingly become more aware of how the parliamentary system works and not so easily duped, and what is more they realize they have were purposely mislead. Even before Christmas the Angus Reid said he was seen as the least trustworthy and honest leader. The Ekos in the month before budget day said more Canadians would support the coalition over the conservatives given the choice.

    It was unethical to try to cut public funding especially in such a manner. Even Obama who had the luxury of turning it down said he strongly believed in it as part of healthy democracy. If you don't control the money within the system, money will control the system. That thought may appeal to some, but it wouldn't be democratic.

    Mr. Harper has alienated women across this country.

    Today in the United States President Obama tells us how proud he was to sign The Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Restoration Act which focuses on pay equity for women, and makes it easier for them to fight discrimination.

    Meanwhile here in Canada Prime Minister Harper has done the opposite, and has restricted women's access to the court despite public uproar. Some even describe the language in the current budget as Orwellian.

    We are told it is to put pay equity back in the hands of the unions where it belongs, but not every woman is in a union. We are also told there is a problem with long waits for trials. If so this should be addressed, but two wrongs do not make a right. It also misses the point.

    The wage gap only hurts the economy. With equal pay for work of equal value the top goal of the women's rights movement this is not only a symbolically terrible thing to do, and a horrible message to send the women of Canada, but it is also economically senseless.

    The CCPA (an independent, non-partisan research institute concerned with issues of social and economic justice) produced an e-book called the Harper Record. (http://www.policyalternatives.ca/reports/2008/0…) The lengthy section on 'Women's Equality and Human Rights' concludes:

    “Under Stephen Harper's Conservative government, women in Canada are witnessing a steady encroachment on the hard-won and still fragile equality rights for which they have fought long and hard.”

    Can anyone explain why the word “equality” was removed from the mandate for the Status of Women's Council, and why this erosion of women's rights in Canada?

    What would Nellie McClung say about this?

    What would she say about national child care being blocked by the conservatives? Estimates show it could return as much as seven dollars for every dollar invested in our children and have other benefits such as reduced crime and poverty for future generations.

  • canadian mom let down by pm

    And meanwhile conservatives on average can more easily afford to send many, many, many times as much.
    There are families that can barely afford milk for their children, or maybe they could if they could afford day care.

  • batb

    Who will rid us of this meddlesome menace?

    Warren Kinsella's way past his sell-by date. Going cheap … get him off the shelf!!!

  • Liz J

    There are many leaders in the G7 who would be happy to “wear” the Canadian economy right now. It's so damned dumbfounding to have people of any political bent tearing down the Canadian government, playing politics instead of working together and giving credit where it's due. The Harper government consulted many in their quest to do what's best in this period.

    It's really amusing tho hear Liberals ranting on about how they could do better and criticizing the government while they stand and support the budget. That of course has nothing to do with what's best for the country, it's all about the Liberals being in a state of flux with an embryonic leader in training.
    He proved he needs more time with his handling of the Newfoundland MP's.

    This GLOBAL economic crisis was not caused by the Harper government but obviously we will be affected by it. Mr. Harper has the support of MOST Canadians at this time and for very obvious reasons.

  • terry1

    Liz J….take off your blinders. harper does not have the support of “MOST” Canadians. In the polls I've read his personal numbers are now below those of IGGY. His party is at a soft 37% and sliding as best I can see.

    The Liberals handed them a huge surplus that was rainy day money and thye used it to bribe their tribal followers. The GST cut turns out to be more stupid in light of ther current crisis and shortens the strings they can pull to help out the economy.

    This government is a walking disaster in economic management.

  • batb

    Stephen, how come the comments aren't in order? I just posted a comment a few hours ago and had to scroll up into the “two days ago” posts to find it.

    Comments used to be posted in the order in which they were received, which made your site much easier to read. Now, it's all a jumble. Could you please return your comments' section to the orderly place it once used to be?

    Thanks!! ;-)

  • http://www.stephentaylor.ca Stephen Taylor

    If you reply to a specific sub-thread, it will post there. The comments are threaded not linear.

  • Gabby in QC

    O/T

    I'm with batb about the order of comments, Stephen. Threaded maybe, but annoying to check whether one's comment has appeared or not, which most commenters I would wager are interested in checking. Also, the threading keeps reducing the space for subsequent comments – not visually appealing. I also miss the format of dating comments, giving the exact time and date a comment was posted.

    I know – picky, picky …

  • batb

    ST: “If you reply to a specific sub-thread, it will post there. The comments are threaded not linear.”

    Thanks for your response, but I don’t have to like it, do I? I don’t! It’s taken the fun out of reading your blog… ;-(

    Boo hoo.

  • batb

    ST: “If you reply to a specific sub-thread, it will post there. The comments are threaded not linear.”

    Thanks for your response, but I don’t have to like it, do I? I don’t! It’s taken the fun out of reading your blog… ;-(

    Boo hoo.

  • terry1

    canadian mom has hit the nail on the head with her exposee of the nastiness this government displays.

  • Liz J

    “EI fund issue is simply bookkeeping stuff”, you better believe it is, not the regular kind of bookkeeping stuff either.

    Something you might like to read for a little broader insight into the Liberal state of affairs is in the Toronto Star, a column by Angelo Perichilli, “Humpty Dumpty's lesson for Ignatieff”. Link on Bourque.com.

    Read and report back to us. I could write exactly what you're retort will be but will await for your's with baited breath.

    You are so lucky to live in this democracy an be allowed to make such spurious accusations against the Prime Minister of the Country.

    You could take a cue from John Manley who is a class act and shows respect for the PM and the Office. He wouldn't endorse your disrespectful diatribe.

  • jckirlan

    Hate to say this but Kim Shelia just won. No one is talking about his rascist sexist statements any more!
    Pretty crafty cat, that Kim Shelia.

  • Anonymous

    Canadian mom…great post and great dagger to the heart of this most terrible leader of our country. He needs to go and go fast.

  • Anonymous

    Canadian mom…great post and great dagger to the heart of this most terrible leader of our country. He needs to go and go fast.

  • Anonymous

    Mom….Great post and good analysis on the beast that is Harper.

  • Anonymous

    Mom….Great post and good analysis on the beast that is Harper.

  • Anonymous

    Mom….Great post and good analysis on the beast that is Harper.

  • terry1

    Angelo is an underachieving reporter. He is trying to build a name for himself outside the Italian paper he edits. I read his garbage in Italian also.

    I am very lucky to live in this democracy and that's the best reason I can think of to want Harper gone.

    I want to stay lucky.

    He destroyed a decent man in Dion with his attack ads which bordered on slander so anything that comes Harpers way in terms of political heat is fine with me and he is currently in self destruct mode.

    Iggy will not be his patsy and the dictator already knows that. He also knows he destroyed his future hold on power in November.

    John Manley is a class act and while has done stuff for the government he has never ever commented on whether he supports Harper or not. He will most likely be a delegate to the Liiberal convention in April as well

  • WarrenT

    Frankly this discussion is boring. Who cares if Iggy donated or not to the Liberal Party? Who cares if Kinsella or Taylor is paid or not?

    What people care about is who can be trusted to report the facts or give fact based opinions.

    What is Iggy's position on the Ukraine? What is Harper's? Let's talk policies not gossip.

  • Beer and Popcorn

    Terry,

    Liberal$ under Cretin achieved surpluses due to overtaxation and inactivity. They also presided over a little something called the 'Sponsorship scandal' – do some reading on this before trying to trumpet their economic record.

    Harper's plugging of the income tax loophole was a good thing for the economy. It makes no sense to incent all Canadian companies to turn into income-generating vehicles.

    The 'Liberal donation base' largely doesn't exist – it used to be made up of a mysterious numbered company who donated billions of dollars to the party.

    Terry – your prediction of a Dion – Liberal victory last election made you look a pretty silly, but these comments have confirmed it for me – you are really just trying to make us all laugh, right?! You don't really believe what you write, right?

  • terry1

    Liz J…where's ther pap. Instead of whining baout my posts at least answer them in some manner of intelligent discourse.

    I ahve never dsaid the libsd were perfect. I keep my mind open and you should try the same sometime. I know why I detest Harper, having stated why openly many many times, and I will be proven correct and in fact am in the process of that happening.

    The all time low is your cintinued support of a man who will go down as possibly the worst economic manager of all time. He sold his conservative soul to stay in power and you continue to support him….tells me a lot about you I guess.

  • terry1

    Harper has plugged nothing and has created a huge deficit from whch we may not recover for a generation. The rest of your stuff about the past Lib government is stuff you read on blogging tories or some such Tory brainwashing vehicle.

  • Beer and Popcorn

    Terry – worst economic manager of all time? Is that like your projection of a Dion victory last election? Take a break for a bit and go get some fresh air – you are not making a lot of sense..

  • terry1

    Listren, you know and I know the only reason harper waon that election is because he broke his own law in order to catch the opposition off bgurad and that he did. But, it won't happen again and he's now as good as gone.

  • mecheng

    Looking at simple percentages is completely disingenouous.

    Fact. Almost every bit of food you consume, probably needs to travel through a CPC riding at some point before it gets to you.

    Fact. Almost none of the food I consume travels through a LPC or NDP riding.

    “Fair” Conclusion: Almost all the infrastructure spending should go to CPC ridings.

    See? I can be just as disingenuous as you.

  • http://www.thesurlybeaver.ca tuco

    Jeez, warren is such a complete douchebag.

  • http://www.thesurlybeaver.ca tuco

    Jeez, warren is such a complete douchebag.

  • http://www.thesurlybeaver.ca tuco

    Jeez, warren is such a complete douchebag.

  • Malcolm Barry

    It would seem the Bourque Newswatch is loaded with supporters of the Tory Party and thats allowable as long as we know where they are coming from. To me it has been much more noticeable in the last few years. Canadians are fortunate in having leaders like Harper and Ignatieff as we will decide who we believe can lead better than the other. Thats why we have election campaigns and the Spinners will spin and the voters decide.

  • Liz J

    Wow, what pap. You continue down the same path. EVERYONE else is wrong, even having a difference of opinion is wrong.
    You’re slagging everyone who dares utter a word against your assumed perfection of all things Liberal.

    You could be in for a great disappointments down the road with such an attitude.

    Attacking the messenger because he’s too close to the truth?

    You’ve struck an all time low . You’re condescending attitude is tiresome and frankly quite sickening.

  • Liz J

    Wow, what pap. You continue down the same path. EVERYONE else is wrong, even having a difference of opinion is wrong.
    You’re slagging everyone who dares utter a word against your assumed perfection of all things Liberal.

    You could be in for a great disappointments down the road with such an attitude.

    Attacking the messenger because he’s too close to the truth?

    You’ve struck an all time low . You’re condescending attitude is tiresome and frankly quite sickening.

  • Liz J

    Wow, what pap. You continue down the same path. EVERYONE else is wrong, even having a difference of opinion is wrong.
    You’re slagging everyone who dares utter a word against your assumed perfection of all things Liberal.

    You could be in for a great disappointments down the road with such an attitude.

    Attacking the messenger because he’s too close to the truth?

    You’ve struck an all time low . You’re condescending attitude is tiresome and frankly quite sickening.

  • Lee

    Stop being a dork Taylor. Who cares who gives to who. You say you do but in the final analysis we have to take your word for it.

  • Lee

    Stop being a dork Taylor. Who cares who gives to who. You say you do but in the final analysis we have to take your word for it.

  • Lee

    Stop being a dork Taylor. Who cares who gives to who. You say you do but in the final analysis we have to take your word for it.

  • karra

    This is typical of Warrrrrr – stupidly, Iggy doesn’t appear to realise or understand that the people of Canada and the gLiberal party in particular, are tired of Kinsella and his ilk – you might include the ‘old boys’ and terrorist supporters amongst them.

  • karra

    This is typical of Warrrrrr – stupidly, Iggy doesn’t appear to realise or understand that the people of Canada and the gLiberal party in particular, are tired of Kinsella and his ilk – you might include the ‘old boys’ and terrorist supporters amongst them.

  • karra

    This is typical of Warrrrrr – stupidly, Iggy doesn’t appear to realise or understand that the people of Canada and the gLiberal party in particular, are tired of Kinsella and his ilk – you might include the ‘old boys’ and terrorist supporters amongst them.

  • Beer and Popcorn

    Terry – catch them off guard? He was talking about the disfunctional parliament for weeks! No leader in our history more deliberately showed his hand. This was not Cretin vs. Stockwell Day of a few elections ago.

    The reason Harper won the election is because he got WAY more votes than the Liberal$. He got more votes in Ontario than the Liberal$, he attracted more women voters, he attracted more minority voters.

    Just sit back and relax over there Terry – your in good hands with Harper.

  • Beer and Popcorn

    Terry – catch them off guard? He was talking about the disfunctional parliament for weeks! No leader in our history more deliberately showed his hand. This was not Cretin vs. Stockwell Day of a few elections ago.

    The reason Harper won the election is because he got WAY more votes than the Liberal$. He got more votes in Ontario than the Liberal$, he attracted more women voters, he attracted more minority voters.

    Just sit back and relax over there Terry – your in good hands with Harper.