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		<title>By: Stephen Taylor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 22:08:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Phil Hauser</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil Hauser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 10:58:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow he really had me believing that some Liberals &quot;get it&quot; He lost me on the Kingston effect where he pronounced the Liberal&#039;s greatest advantage over the Conservatives is that they are the good guys.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Another example of the arrogance that has taken the Liberals out of the living room of many Canadians.  By proclaiming &quot;We believe in human rights, social progress, democracy and freedom of speech, equality and fairness&quot; is he not contradicting his own statements? Is there something equal about Liberal&#039;s perceived dominance as the only party that can defend these plaudible notions?  Isn&#039;t is just possible that a conervative  or a Dipper or even a Bloquiste can actually believe in these things?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Until they get that they are not the only party that cares they are cooked because the scare tactics that worked so well for Chretien are yesterday&#039;s game.  In short time the villification will turn as the other parties take over this territory and use their own spin to show that the Lib&#039;s are elitiists who don&#039;t understand Joe lunchbucket types.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Look at the elitists in charge of the party now, Bob Rae, Ignatieff, Dion et al. Who in the party stands up for the middle class?  There is barely room in the party for good guys like Manley and God Forbid I say it. David Orchard.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;At least these two examples actually have actually met everyday Canadians and not in the pretend walks around Ottawa that Chretien lamented about.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;These two are examples of people who might actually connect to the the 33 million plus Canadians who are not card carrying Libs.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Look at the other parties Jack Layton whether or not he was born with the silver spoon in his mouth can make it look like he knows how to sit at a kitchen table.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Gilles Duceppe can identify with the average Quebecker as one of our own who will fight Ottawa for everything they can get.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Stephen Harper is plausible as a hockey dad done good.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The liberals have none of this connection with the electorate. Surely more than half of the vote last election was simply perennial Liberal support that knows nothing better.  it begs the question how drunk were the other 50% of Liberal voters?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow he really had me believing that some Liberals &#8220;get it&#8221; He lost me on the Kingston effect where he pronounced the Liberal&#39;s greatest advantage over the Conservatives is that they are the good guys.</p>
<p>Another example of the arrogance that has taken the Liberals out of the living room of many Canadians.  By proclaiming &#8220;We believe in human rights, social progress, democracy and freedom of speech, equality and fairness&#8221; is he not contradicting his own statements? Is there something equal about Liberal&#39;s perceived dominance as the only party that can defend these plaudible notions?  Isn&#39;t is just possible that a conervative  or a Dipper or even a Bloquiste can actually believe in these things?</p>
<p>Until they get that they are not the only party that cares they are cooked because the scare tactics that worked so well for Chretien are yesterday&#39;s game.  In short time the villification will turn as the other parties take over this territory and use their own spin to show that the Lib&#39;s are elitiists who don&#39;t understand Joe lunchbucket types.</p>
<p>Look at the elitists in charge of the party now, Bob Rae, Ignatieff, Dion et al. Who in the party stands up for the middle class?  There is barely room in the party for good guys like Manley and God Forbid I say it. David Orchard.</p>
<p>At least these two examples actually have actually met everyday Canadians and not in the pretend walks around Ottawa that Chretien lamented about.</p>
<p>These two are examples of people who might actually connect to the the 33 million plus Canadians who are not card carrying Libs.</p>
<p>Look at the other parties Jack Layton whether or not he was born with the silver spoon in his mouth can make it look like he knows how to sit at a kitchen table.</p>
<p>Gilles Duceppe can identify with the average Quebecker as one of our own who will fight Ottawa for everything they can get.</p>
<p>Stephen Harper is plausible as a hockey dad done good.</p>
<p>The liberals have none of this connection with the electorate. Surely more than half of the vote last election was simply perennial Liberal support that knows nothing better.  it begs the question how drunk were the other 50% of Liberal voters?</p>
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		<title>By: batb</title>
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		<dc:creator>batb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 09:27:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s face it. The Liberals&#039; policies are all wrong for a new century. They&#039;re stuck back in the &#039;60s through the &#039;80s, in an extremely prosperous time, partly because of all of us Boomers. Babies create jobs.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Then, the Liberals brought in liberal abortion laws, then NO abortion law, and encouraged very little innovation or rugged individualism. They offered the government teat to an awful lot of Canadians and encouraged us to drink liberally--please, pardon the rather bad pun.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;By getting Canadians to look at big government as the solution to all of our problems, they made sure that their coffers were full--and we all know the kinds of initiatives they encouraged and rewarded: the lib-left, brave-new-world ones.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;They&#039;re living in the past. Most Canadians have moved on, because we have to live in the real world. We have to balance our budgets and bank accounts, which are not given a boost by other people&#039;s hard-earned cash (aka taxes) whenever we run out of funds. PMSH and the CPC get it.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The Liberals don&#039;t. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If they&#039;re going to have a future, they&#039;d better start to get it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#39;s face it. The Liberals&#39; policies are all wrong for a new century. They&#39;re stuck back in the &#39;60s through the &#39;80s, in an extremely prosperous time, partly because of all of us Boomers. Babies create jobs.</p>
<p>Then, the Liberals brought in liberal abortion laws, then NO abortion law, and encouraged very little innovation or rugged individualism. They offered the government teat to an awful lot of Canadians and encouraged us to drink liberally&#8211;please, pardon the rather bad pun.</p>
<p>By getting Canadians to look at big government as the solution to all of our problems, they made sure that their coffers were full&#8211;and we all know the kinds of initiatives they encouraged and rewarded: the lib-left, brave-new-world ones.</p>
<p>They&#39;re living in the past. Most Canadians have moved on, because we have to live in the real world. We have to balance our budgets and bank accounts, which are not given a boost by other people&#39;s hard-earned cash (aka taxes) whenever we run out of funds. PMSH and the CPC get it.</p>
<p>The Liberals don&#39;t. </p>
<p>If they&#39;re going to have a future, they&#39;d better start to get it.</p>
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		<title>By: fernstalbert</title>
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		<dc:creator>fernstalbert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 04:14:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The leading Liberal leadership contenders  lack  character - they are yesterday&#039;s old news -   white, secular academics from downtown Toronto.   This is the best that they can do - where are all those ethnics that are so embraced by the party?  Why don&#039;t they shake things up a little - I recommend Danny William.  At least he has some genuine emotion and fire.  He woul make an inspired choice.  Im sure he could be persuaded to become a Liberal since they have very moveable goal posts on policies and philosophy.  On that money raising thing - Liberals just love someone else to do the heavy lifting - if they really believed in the party they would donate money - at least people who support the Greens, NDP, and Conservatives will give cold hard cash.  All you get from the downtown Libs is airy pronouncements and lectures - like that translates into money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The leading Liberal leadership contenders  lack  character &#8211; they are yesterday&#39;s old news &#8211;   white, secular academics from downtown Toronto.   This is the best that they can do &#8211; where are all those ethnics that are so embraced by the party?  Why don&#39;t they shake things up a little &#8211; I recommend Danny William.  At least he has some genuine emotion and fire.  He woul make an inspired choice.  Im sure he could be persuaded to become a Liberal since they have very moveable goal posts on policies and philosophy.  On that money raising thing &#8211; Liberals just love someone else to do the heavy lifting &#8211; if they really believed in the party they would donate money &#8211; at least people who support the Greens, NDP, and Conservatives will give cold hard cash.  All you get from the downtown Libs is airy pronouncements and lectures &#8211; like that translates into money.</p>
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		<title>By: Liz J</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liz J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 09:34:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Godfrey is sounds like a really concerned Liberal with all the answers.  He may be just the one they&#039;ve been looking for. A bit of ego, an overtone of arrogance with the underlying attitude  Liberals have some divine right to rule.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;He lost all credibility asserting the Conservatives will &quot;ridicule&quot; them in Parliament and &quot;brainwash&quot; the electorate against the Liberals.  Well hello!  This is exactly what the Liberals have done for decades, it&#039;s their modus operandi to a tee.  &#039;Been around long enough to witness the sneering and  jeering and &quot;ridicule&quot; of decent people like Preston Manning  and Stockwell Day at the hands of Liberals and their media buddies.  If we&#039;re looking for advice on dirty tricks, lies and innuendo we know where to find it, the Liberals of the past two decades wrote the book.&lt;br&gt;They got so carried away with these tactics , turned on themselves, attacking each other, perpetuating the Martin Chretien divide and have come close to sinking their own ship. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Interesting times ahead for the Liberals. There&#039;s no simplistic solution, the rot was a long time festering.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Godfrey is sounds like a really concerned Liberal with all the answers.  He may be just the one they&#39;ve been looking for. A bit of ego, an overtone of arrogance with the underlying attitude  Liberals have some divine right to rule.</p>
<p>He lost all credibility asserting the Conservatives will &#8220;ridicule&#8221; them in Parliament and &#8220;brainwash&#8221; the electorate against the Liberals.  Well hello!  This is exactly what the Liberals have done for decades, it&#39;s their modus operandi to a tee.  &#39;Been around long enough to witness the sneering and  jeering and &#8220;ridicule&#8221; of decent people like Preston Manning  and Stockwell Day at the hands of Liberals and their media buddies.  If we&#39;re looking for advice on dirty tricks, lies and innuendo we know where to find it, the Liberals of the past two decades wrote the book.<br />They got so carried away with these tactics , turned on themselves, attacking each other, perpetuating the Martin Chretien divide and have come close to sinking their own ship. </p>
<p>Interesting times ahead for the Liberals. There&#39;s no simplistic solution, the rot was a long time festering.</p>
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		<title>By: Al W</title>
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		<dc:creator>Al W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 18:40:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bocanut:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You are so right....the Liberals think that Canadians have forgotten about the $40 Million of stolen taxpayers dollars that is still missing from Adscam. Until this money is found, charges laid, and the Liberal Party gets rid of ever last one of the old Libranos, they won&#039;t have a hope in hell of forming government.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bocanut:</p>
<p>You are so right&#8230;.the Liberals think that Canadians have forgotten about the $40 Million of stolen taxpayers dollars that is still missing from Adscam. Until this money is found, charges laid, and the Liberal Party gets rid of ever last one of the old Libranos, they won&#39;t have a hope in hell of forming government.</p>
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		<title>By: East of Eden</title>
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		<dc:creator>East of Eden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 17:40:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Observant - the PC party had the same problem so it did the sensible thing - it folded into the CPC, eventually. We got rid of the old baggage and moved forward with new blood. The Libs, unfortunately, do not seem capable of admitting fault or defeat and therein lies the party&#039;s problem which, for us, is a very good thing. If Harper keeps on course, building our country back from the disaster wrought by the Libs, he&#039;ll continue to grow in popularity. I just wish he&#039;d be a little more vocal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Observant &#8211; the PC party had the same problem so it did the sensible thing &#8211; it folded into the CPC, eventually. We got rid of the old baggage and moved forward with new blood. The Libs, unfortunately, do not seem capable of admitting fault or defeat and therein lies the party&#39;s problem which, for us, is a very good thing. If Harper keeps on course, building our country back from the disaster wrought by the Libs, he&#39;ll continue to grow in popularity. I just wish he&#39;d be a little more vocal.</p>
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		<title>By: East of Eden</title>
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		<dc:creator>East of Eden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 17:37:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gabby - God sure knows best. Thank you for that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gabby &#8211; God sure knows best. Thank you for that.</p>
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		<title>By: Gabby in QC</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gabby in QC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 16:06:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unrepentant Liberal should heed these words:&lt;br&gt;Ezekiel 18:23-31 (NIV) &quot; ... Repent! Turn away from all your offenses; then sin will not be your downfall. Rid yourselves of all the offenses you have committed, and get a new heart and a new spirit.&quot; ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unrepentant Liberal should heed these words:<br />Ezekiel 18:23-31 (NIV) &#8221; &#8230; Repent! Turn away from all your offenses; then sin will not be your downfall. Rid yourselves of all the offenses you have committed, and get a new heart and a new spirit.&#8221; <img src='http://www.stephentaylor.ca/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Robert V</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert V</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 15:12:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Liberals need to worry less about how to get elected and a lot more on how to become electable.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Stopping the characterization of one&#039;s peers as brainwashing propagandists would be a great start.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Liberals need to worry less about how to get elected and a lot more on how to become electable.</p>
<p>Stopping the characterization of one&#39;s peers as brainwashing propagandists would be a great start.</p>
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