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October 31, 2008

“A few thoughts on how the Liberals must face some inconvenient truths”

This was passed on by a reader who is a member of Sean Godfrey’s election group on Facebook. Godfrey was the Liberal candidate for Oshawa and apparently sent this message to his group after the election. (emphasis is that of my correspondent)

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  • Phil Hauser
    Wow he really had me believing that some Liberals "get it" He lost me on the Kingston effect where he pronounced the Liberal's greatest advantage over the Conservatives is that they are the good guys.

    Another example of the arrogance that has taken the Liberals out of the living room of many Canadians. By proclaiming "We believe in human rights, social progress, democracy and freedom of speech, equality and fairness" is he not contradicting his own statements? Is there something equal about Liberal's perceived dominance as the only party that can defend these plaudible notions? Isn't is just possible that a conervative or a Dipper or even a Bloquiste can actually believe in these things?

    Until they get that they are not the only party that cares they are cooked because the scare tactics that worked so well for Chretien are yesterday's game. In short time the villification will turn as the other parties take over this territory and use their own spin to show that the Lib's are elitiists who don't understand Joe lunchbucket types.

    Look at the elitists in charge of the party now, Bob Rae, Ignatieff, Dion et al. Who in the party stands up for the middle class? There is barely room in the party for good guys like Manley and God Forbid I say it. David Orchard.

    At least these two examples actually have actually met everyday Canadians and not in the pretend walks around Ottawa that Chretien lamented about.

    These two are examples of people who might actually connect to the the 33 million plus Canadians who are not card carrying Libs.

    Look at the other parties Jack Layton whether or not he was born with the silver spoon in his mouth can make it look like he knows how to sit at a kitchen table.

    Gilles Duceppe can identify with the average Quebecker as one of our own who will fight Ottawa for everything they can get.

    Stephen Harper is plausible as a hockey dad done good.

    The liberals have none of this connection with the electorate. Surely more than half of the vote last election was simply perennial Liberal support that knows nothing better. it begs the question how drunk were the other 50% of Liberal voters?
  • batb
    Let's face it. The Liberals' policies are all wrong for a new century. They're stuck back in the '60s through the '80s, in an extremely prosperous time, partly because of all of us Boomers. Babies create jobs.

    Then, the Liberals brought in liberal abortion laws, then NO abortion law, and encouraged very little innovation or rugged individualism. They offered the government teat to an awful lot of Canadians and encouraged us to drink liberally--please, pardon the rather bad pun.

    By getting Canadians to look at big government as the solution to all of our problems, they made sure that their coffers were full--and we all know the kinds of initiatives they encouraged and rewarded: the lib-left, brave-new-world ones.

    They're living in the past. Most Canadians have moved on, because we have to live in the real world. We have to balance our budgets and bank accounts, which are not given a boost by other people's hard-earned cash (aka taxes) whenever we run out of funds. PMSH and the CPC get it.

    The Liberals don't.

    If they're going to have a future, they'd better start to get it.
  • The leading Liberal leadership contenders lack character - they are yesterday's old news - white, secular academics from downtown Toronto. This is the best that they can do - where are all those ethnics that are so embraced by the party? Why don't they shake things up a little - I recommend Danny William. At least he has some genuine emotion and fire. He woul make an inspired choice. Im sure he could be persuaded to become a Liberal since they have very moveable goal posts on policies and philosophy. On that money raising thing - Liberals just love someone else to do the heavy lifting - if they really believed in the party they would donate money - at least people who support the Greens, NDP, and Conservatives will give cold hard cash. All you get from the downtown Libs is airy pronouncements and lectures - like that translates into money.
  • Liz J
    Mr. Godfrey is sounds like a really concerned Liberal with all the answers. He may be just the one they've been looking for. A bit of ego, an overtone of arrogance with the underlying attitude Liberals have some divine right to rule.

    He lost all credibility asserting the Conservatives will "ridicule" them in Parliament and "brainwash" the electorate against the Liberals. Well hello! This is exactly what the Liberals have done for decades, it's their modus operandi to a tee. 'Been around long enough to witness the sneering and jeering and "ridicule" of decent people like Preston Manning and Stockwell Day at the hands of Liberals and their media buddies. If we're looking for advice on dirty tricks, lies and innuendo we know where to find it, the Liberals of the past two decades wrote the book.
    They got so carried away with these tactics , turned on themselves, attacking each other, perpetuating the Martin Chretien divide and have come close to sinking their own ship.

    Interesting times ahead for the Liberals. There's no simplistic solution, the rot was a long time festering.
  • Al W
    Bocanut:

    You are so right....the Liberals think that Canadians have forgotten about the $40 Million of stolen taxpayers dollars that is still missing from Adscam. Until this money is found, charges laid, and the Liberal Party gets rid of ever last one of the old Libranos, they won't have a hope in hell of forming government.
  • Gabby in QC
    Unrepentant Liberal should heed these words:
    Ezekiel 18:23-31 (NIV) " ... Repent! Turn away from all your offenses; then sin will not be your downfall. Rid yourselves of all the offenses you have committed, and get a new heart and a new spirit." ;-)
  • East of Eden
    Gabby - God sure knows best. Thank you for that.
  • Liberals need to worry less about how to get elected and a lot more on how to become electable.

    Stopping the characterization of one's peers as brainwashing propagandists would be a great start.
  • Rob R
    The Conservatives know how to raise money from the public because they've always had to do so. They never enjoyed a financial holiday where they simply ran on public money that was pilfered from taxpayers.
  • Observant
    The Liberal party may have past the point of no return. The Liberal party may be a spent political force in Canada based on it's dismal future. The Liberal party may finally self-destruct if they select Ignatieff of Rae as their next leader.

    I doubt LeBlanc has the charisma, management or leadership ability to rebuild the Liberal party. The Liberal party is still split between the Chretienites and Martinites, and that internal conflict will never resolve itself without a wholesale purging of the party and starting all over again.

    Blow up the Liberals ...???!!!!
  • East of Eden
    Observant - the PC party had the same problem so it did the sensible thing - it folded into the CPC, eventually. We got rid of the old baggage and moved forward with new blood. The Libs, unfortunately, do not seem capable of admitting fault or defeat and therein lies the party's problem which, for us, is a very good thing. If Harper keeps on course, building our country back from the disaster wrought by the Libs, he'll continue to grow in popularity. I just wish he'd be a little more vocal.
  • DBeaulne
    To insinuate that non-Liberals are the "bad guys" just because we don't hold their points of view to heart is absolutely disgusting.

    And normal for Liberal members apparently...
  • don
    Liberals believe that Conservatives do not believe in human rights? And who is brainwashed?
  • Tony
    A fairly realistic and frank outlook until the astoundingly out of touch and arrogant message at the end. "...we have one huge advantage over the Conservatives: we are the good guys! We actually believe in human rights, social progress, democracy and freedom of speech, equality and fairness."

    What a joke, do Liberals actually think people believe that? I know many people who see the Libs as the "bad guys". 75% of voters did not vote Liberal this time.
  • Bocanut
    Mr. Godfrey forgot that little promise about the Liberal Party paying back the millions they stole from the Canadian taxpayer.
    Until they make some type of effort any strategy for renewal is useless.
  • batb
    YOUR Halloween costume, Stephen? What are you going as? Happy Halloween!

    You almost have to feel sorry for the Liberals--that is, the Liberal "nobodies" who ran in the election, as opposed to the Liberal "overlords" in the party elite--Rae, Ignatieff, et al. and the backroom boys. The more I read of what Mr. Godfrey had to say, the more I thought, "Well, yeah. This is the Liberal arrogance that's been around ever since Pierre Elliott Trudeau got hold of the reins of power in the late '60s."

    Mr. Godfrey's comments "To not even acknowledge the candidates and their loyal volunteers ... demonstrates a shocking lack of intelligence and empathy when applied to team building." and "Many candidates are shell shocked ... [and] openly angry ... because of their regional and central Party’s indifference and ineptitude" sum up what many of us have known about the LPC for decades: If you're "a nobody," just a run-of-the-mill average Canadian, the Liberals will hang you out to dry. They are power hungry and they chew up and spit out anybody whose ideas and values don't mesh with theirs--happily using their buds in the MSM.

    I'm surprised that many of their candidates didn't pick up on the Liberals' indifference and had thought that they'd be supported and backed with relevant resources. That's not the way the Liberal Party seems to work. And there's definitely going to have to be some MAJOR changes in the LPC thinking if there's going to be a turnaround in their political fortunes.

    (It might also be a good idea if they depend less on their cheerleaders in the media and more on attention paid to and support of their grassroots and the "nobodies" willing to run in their elections.)
  • David
    There is probably a lot of good advice in there. However,a couple of things bother me about all of this.The first stems from those candidates that genuinely did not support the Greenshift but tried to flog it anyways. This is one reason I dislike politicians.Godfrey may not have been one of those but imagine a politician coming to your door and talking about the positives of the Carbon tax when he/she himself believes it to be a load of nonsense.

    The other issue is more directed at Godfrey himself. He recognizes on the one hand that Liberals have been arrogant. But later argues that the Conservatives are not "the good guys" then implies that Conservatives don't believe in "human rights, social progress, democracy and freedom of speech, equality and fairness.". And then by insisting that the public knows this Godfrey proves outright that he is just as arrogant as his party. They are a good match. If Godfrey and others like him truely believe that only the Libs. care and that Lib values are Canadian values exclusively, they will find themselves after the next election "shell shocked and angry" yet again.
  • Bec
    It must be hard to see the truth. I just wonder if there is anyone listening.
    Does someone JUST see this about their party while in the middle of an election?

    That is what confuses me. Are they just staying with the sinking ship because they ALL THINK THAT THEY ARE THE CAPTAIN?......and know best.
  • Even in this introspective message the Liberals show their inherent arrogance. So the Libs are good and thus Conservatives are evil. ONLY Libs believe in freedom of speech, democracy, human rights, etc. The Libs just don't get it.
  • AtlanticJim
    The first thing that crossed my mind when I read that section of drivel was, "how many HRC employees across the country voted Conservative? How many voted Liberal/NDP?"
  • Watching a couple of the so-called "leaders" in the Liberal Party of Canada, can't be a pretty sight for the members.

    Bob Rae - A communist who nearly ruined Ontario.

    Ignatieff - Another academic who is always trying to save the country from itself. Do the Liberals really want another academic leader??

    Martha Hall-Findley - A woman of conviction, but her experience is lacking in a big way. The intricacies of government cannot be understood from a few months in parliament.

    Gerard Kennedy - This is the man who gave Dion the leadership of the party. I'm pretty sure that he will never get the support from the Liberals to run the party. Too many hate him for that.

    David McGuinty - No way on earth the country would vote a McGuinty in as PM while watching what his brother is doing in Ontario. Wasn't he one of the authors of the GreenShift, as well?

    Ujjal Dosanjh - He barely held onto his seat, and it is going back for another recount. Also, another NDP leader of a province. Communism/socialism runs deep.

    Well, there is the front runners....not a great list. There is one ma, however, that can give them some hope in my opinion. Leblanc....He is experienced, fresh ideas, more central, fluent in both languages, and consistent. However, I doubt that the "old boys club" in the LPC will ever allow someone that isn't part of heir inner circle, to have that power.

    Ultimately, the only man who can save them, is Manley. I wonder how Iggy and Rae would like it if he jumped in the race...lol. Not so good, is my bet.

    Just a few of my trhoughts....and I think Harper will win the next election as well....
  • bettie
    In Margaret Trudeau's book she also said that, although she worked very hard in the election (and that is true), and that some even consider that she contributed to the Liberal's success, no one from the party thanked her for her efforts. I hope the Conservatives understand that a bit of gratitude for effort expended is greatly appreciated by those who work hard.
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