A debunking by Kady? I’m sorry, I just don’t see it

For your own consideration on the Dion vs. Correl text. National Newswatch says Kady debunked Janke/Trusty Tory. I don’t see how she’s debunked much of anything here. Some interesting tangential points, but no debunking by my friend Kady as National Newswatch has claimed. (I don’t even think that was her goal)

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  • Michael Fox

    On an unrelated note.. I was just walking through the CBC. There, parked outside, was Stephen Harper's tour bus. I'm assuming he was on it given the RCMP detail outside and the motorcade. As I was leaving the building, the motorcade pulled away.

    The funny thing was – standing in the lobby, barely 10 feet away, was Julie Coulliard! I'm quite certain it was her.

    Now I'm wondering what they were doing there at the same time. Harper may have been taping his 1 on 1 with Mansbridge that airs tonight. But what was she there for?

  • paulsstuff

    Stephen. As per james Curan’s request I again put all the information to the college professor’s today, including wording, context of the speech, the reports findings, etc.

    The two professor’s who stated it was plagiarism yesterday reiterated that stance again today, as did a third professor who is the elder of the college.

    Kady was trying to sweep this under the rug, and it shouldn’t happen.

    You cannot take parts of a speech word for word and use them a year later without attributing the original source.

  • paulsstuff

    Stephen. As per james Curan’s request I again put all the information to the college professor’s today, including wording, context of the speech, the reports findings, etc.

    The two professor’s who stated it was plagiarism yesterday reiterated that stance again today, as did a third professor who is the elder of the college.

    Kady was trying to sweep this under the rug, and it shouldn’t happen.

    You cannot take parts of a speech word for word and use them a year later without attributing the original source.

  • Dave

    I think she was trying to by funny by using words like “y’all”, possibly trying to diffuse it by making Trusty Tory/Steve Janke’s and their reading seem like country bumpkins that understand anything

  • Dave

    I think she was trying to by funny by using words like “y’all”, possibly trying to diffuse it by making Trusty Tory/Steve Janke’s and their reading seem like country bumpkins that understand anything

  • paulsstuff

    I’ll add this comment here as James Curran seems to be making the rounds. The proffessors who cited plagiarism all pointed out the differance between Correll’s testimony and Dion’s opening statement at the conferance. Correll directly attributes that facts as coming from the report:

    Corell said key findings of the report indicate that Arctic climate change is occurring at a rate much greater than climate change as a whole, and with more significant consequences.

    Correll then went on to list the points Dion used in his speech. Problem is Dion never attributed the points to the report.

  • paulsstuff

    I’ll add this comment here as James Curran seems to be making the rounds. The proffessors who cited plagiarism all pointed out the differance between Correll’s testimony and Dion’s opening statement at the conferance. Correll directly attributes that facts as coming from the report:

    Corell said key findings of the report indicate that Arctic climate change is occurring at a rate much greater than climate change as a whole, and with more significant consequences.

    Correll then went on to list the points Dion used in his speech. Problem is Dion never attributed the points to the report.

  • Ted

    I think the point here is quite simple. This was not just a random speech, given by a minister somewhere. This was a speech at a conference at which this particular Assessment was presented and many speakers were discussing, including Dion. Certainly, to read it several years later on its own, you could argue some element of improper/poor attribution – he does refer to the Assessment in his own speech – or even plagiarism. But in context, it was part of a larger discussion about the very Assessment you say he’s plagiarised. Everyone in the room would have had that Assessment.

    you can’t honestly compare that with what Harper did or the coverage of it.

  • Ted

    I think the point here is quite simple. This was not just a random speech, given by a minister somewhere. This was a speech at a conference at which this particular Assessment was presented and many speakers were discussing, including Dion. Certainly, to read it several years later on its own, you could argue some element of improper/poor attribution – he does refer to the Assessment in his own speech – or even plagiarism. But in context, it was part of a larger discussion about the very Assessment you say he’s plagiarised. Everyone in the room would have had that Assessment.

    you can’t honestly compare that with what Harper did or the coverage of it.

  • http://streetadvisorconsulting.blogspot.com markalanwhittle

    When in doubt it's always better to dance with the one that brung ya. Ask any senior or someone in the ODSP constituency. The advance poll I voted at had hundreds waiting in line, pretty much the whole time the poll was open, People are voting with their feet so they can get home and batten down the hatches. For some strange reason I feel less assured with Stephane Dion, Jack Layton or Elizabeth May at the helm. We need a steady hand like Harper's on the wheel because nobody wants to go down with the ship.

    Nobody.

    And those Bay Street Banker types down south and Investement House honchos who were playing fast and loose with the Stock Exchange are the architects of their own demise, they wanted goverment (read taxpayer) to bail them out, right after they've personally bailed out with a multi-million golden parachutes?

    Thank goodness that won't be happening here thanks to earlier intervention with tools for our banks to remain on solid footing by the Conservative government..

  • anon

    I think what bothers me most is how O'Malley takes it upon herself to come to Dion's defense. It reveals a consistent mindset in MSM – to destroy Conservatives, to come to the aid of Liberals. How many inaccurate things have the Liberals said about Harper in this election? O'Malley doesn't feel the need to come to his defense in those instances. No, that's his responsibility she'd argue, and that of the CPoC. No, she'll sit back and allow the damage to be done – and laugh about it afterwards.

  • paulsstuff

    Here is the video that ran on Duffy today.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEo3Ayn9PHM

  • paulsstuff

    Here is the video that ran on Duffy today.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEo3Ayn9PHM

  • AtlanticJim

    Of course debunking was not her goal. Her goal was justification.

    Like one of the comments said,

    Conservative eeeeevil plagerism

    Liberal lack of attribution.

    Just another hack in the MSM.

  • http://jamesbowie.blogspot.com James Bowie

    When Dion's speeches look like David Suzuki, or this guy, nobody cares. When Harper's speeches are copied from Howrad, Bush, Bennet, and McCain, he is in much worse company.

    It's not so much the plagiarism as what is being plagiarized. In political communications, everyone tries to have consistent messaging. What is telling though is what your messaging is consistent with. Dion's messages are consistent with environmentalists and economists, who agree that his economic plans make sense and will also help the environment. Harper's plans are consistent with those responsible for the current economic crisis.

    Also, Harper waited until just now to release his platform. So please, don't pretend that your reasons for supporting him are based on, well, reasons. Because you didn't even know what he was planning ot do with his second mandate.

    Hope you're well. Say 'hi' to Kady for me.

  • DWT

    'No, she'll sit back and allow the damage to be done – and laugh about it afterwards.'

    She and others in the media will be laughing out of the other side of their faces when the economy slows further. Under a Liberal government, this slowdown will be intensified by their tax and spend policies. When the paycheck is not covering all expenses, extras are not purchased. One of those extras will end up being newspapers and magazines – you can get news on the TV or radio, and magazines are not a priority when there are expenses like food, heat and mortgage payments to consider.

  • simon

    Kady O’Malley

    Your verbal antics both amuse and dismay…but I guess in the end its all about the paycheck,isn’t it?
    Oh well Kady…you’re the one who gets to look at you in the morning mirror .
    Just remember that we’re all getting older and what appears in that mirror is fleeting.

    Integrity is a reasuring quality to fall back on at that point.

  • simon

    Kady O’Malley

    Your verbal antics both amuse and dismay…but I guess in the end its all about the paycheck,isn’t it?
    Oh well Kady…you’re the one who gets to look at you in the morning mirror .
    Just remember that we’re all getting older and what appears in that mirror is fleeting.

    Integrity is a reasuring quality to fall back on at that point.

  • http://www.bluelikeyou.com/ Joanne TB

    I'm sure not going to buy magazines that glorify the Liberals.

  • NK

    The problem is either “plagiarism” is a problem or it is not a problem. There are not two standards unless you are willing to admit that it is nothing more than personal partisanship that decides the standards and no objectivity.

    As to the comments that Harper's policies are the same as what led to the current financial crisis, the facts are simple. What has led to the current financial crisis is that people have borrowed more than they can afford and lending institutions have happily gone along with it as they have been able to pass off the bad debt to larger bundles of securities which were purchased by investors. If people were responsible for their own actions, then they would not have overextended themselves but too many have bought into the idea that credit is the same thing as money. Unfortunately over the last 15 years governments of all stripes have pushed the idea that people should continue to “spend” whether they can afford to or not and whether people actually have the ability to pay for their debts or not. Due to the fact that too many people (not only in the US but worldwide) have overextended their ability to pay investors are refusing to purchase any debt as currently most feel that too many people cannot pay. Simply put, if you owe 110% of your assests, YOU are part of what caused the system to fail.

    As for the comments that support for Harper is not based on “reasons” as the platform was only released today, again that is false logic. All that was released today was a final bundling of all the announcements that have preceeded this. If you look at the platform, you will have heard it all before as they are the same things he has been talking about for the last few weeks. If you are overly surprised by anything contained within the document then you have not been paying attention to the conservative campaign which is not a surprise if you are a partisan from a different party. If you feel that it is not the same as Harper also made annoucements about Arts funding then you obviously must feel that the Liberals are doing the same thing as Dion came out with calling a “discussion” on the economy during the debates which was not outlined in his platform.

    Quite frankly most of the arguments by partisans of all stripes are silly and immature. You do not believe the same as the conservatives, fine no problem the beauty of living in a democracy is that we do not all have to agree. But what frustrates me and many others to no end is when partisans blindly and willfully spin to justify hypocritical positions.

    Nothing personal against you James but your comments do show that the partisan streak is alive and well and partisanship on any side leads to the same foolishness.

  • Liz J

    Just when you think this election , given the choices, would be a no-contest for Harper, the most prepared to deal with the economic gloom and doom all around us, we have twits in the media on the Liberal bandwagon. It appears they're prepared to send the country into a state of turmoil by supporting a party which itself is bankrupted and divided into camps in leadership turmoil. The media is prepared to reward the Liberals for questionable actions and Adscam, which is still not cleared up and millions of our dollars gone to the wind. Why? What is the main benefit to the media?
    Is it something as simple as a meal and booze ticket, the easy scoops? What is it they're prepared to help take the country into economic disaster for?

  • Ker

    She was on The Hour.

  • Dave

    It's funny you mention this, as James is still going around claiming that Dion has every right to copy Corell word for word because Canada is part of the organization that wrote the report and of course he does mention the organization at the end of the speech.

  • Dave

    I would add,

    releasing the Conservative platform after all other parties have, hasn't allowed the opposition to adjust their platforms accordingly. The Liberals are trying by says that the Green Shift would be delayed because economic times, but it's supposed to be revenue neutral, so it shouldn't matter right?

    With one week to go, by releasing a prudish platform, shows restrain and economic stewardship on the part of the Conservative Party.

  • Liz J

    Just when you think this election , given the choices, would be a no-contest for Harper, the most prepared to deal with the economic gloom and doom all around us, we have twits in the media on the Liberal bandwagon. It appears they're prepared to send the country into a state of turmoil by supporting a party which itself is bankrupted and divided into camps in leadership turmoil. The media is prepared to reward the Liberals for questionable actions and Adscam, which is still not cleared up and millions of our dollars gone to the wind. Why? What is the main benefit to the media?
    Is it something as simple as a meal and booze ticket, the easy scoops? What is it they're prepared to help take the country into economic disaster for?

  • Ker

    She was on The Hour.

  • Dave

    It's funny you mention this, as James is still going around claiming that Dion has every right to copy Corell word for word because Canada is part of the organization that wrote the report and of course he does mention the organization at the end of the speech.

  • Dave

    I would add,

    releasing the Conservative platform after all other parties have, hasn't allowed the opposition to adjust their platforms accordingly. The Liberals are trying by says that the Green Shift would be delayed because economic times, but it's supposed to be revenue neutral, so it shouldn't matter right?

    With one week to go, by releasing a prudish platform, shows restrain and economic stewardship on the part of the Conservative Party.