Comments on: Who needs the MSM to debate? New media brings populism to political coverage http://www.stephentaylor.ca/2008/09/who-needs-the-msm-to-debate-new-media-brings-populism-to-political-coverage/ email@stephentaylor.ca Thu, 09 Feb 2012 04:16:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Jane http://www.stephentaylor.ca/2008/09/who-needs-the-msm-to-debate-new-media-brings-populism-to-political-coverage/comment-page-1/#comment-13495 Jane Wed, 17 Dec 2008 19:24:37 +0000 http://www.stephentaylor.ca/?p=1099#comment-13495 Great discussion. I also think that such tricks are dishonest and manipulative Great discussion. I also think that such tricks are dishonest and manipulative

]]> By: Jane http://www.stephentaylor.ca/2008/09/who-needs-the-msm-to-debate-new-media-brings-populism-to-political-coverage/comment-page-1/#comment-3399 Jane Wed, 17 Dec 2008 11:24:37 +0000 http://www.stephentaylor.ca/?p=1099#comment-3399 Great discussion. I also think that such tricks are dishonest and manipulative Great discussion. I also think that such tricks are dishonest and manipulative

]]> By: Margaret Arnolds http://www.stephentaylor.ca/2008/09/who-needs-the-msm-to-debate-new-media-brings-populism-to-political-coverage/comment-page-1/#comment-1860 Margaret Arnolds Sat, 04 Oct 2008 14:08:58 +0000 http://www.stephentaylor.ca/?p=1099#comment-1860 I am a spokesperson for a South African Political Party and I am intersted in how to get my party out there to the voters is something like this available to south africans I am from the National Democratic Convention (NADECO) in South Africa I am a spokesperson for a South African Political Party and I am intersted in how to get my party out there to the voters is something like this available to south africans I am from the National Democratic Convention (NADECO) in South Africa

]]> By: Taylor Cutforth http://www.stephentaylor.ca/2008/09/who-needs-the-msm-to-debate-new-media-brings-populism-to-political-coverage/comment-page-1/#comment-1009 Taylor Cutforth Fri, 12 Sep 2008 18:49:33 +0000 http://www.stephentaylor.ca/?p=1099#comment-1009 I thought I heard of a PETA party. Guess that must of been provincial. I don't know I could be wrong.<br><br>"Other parties recognized by Elections Canada<br><br>Animal Alliance Environment Voters Party of Canada (founded in 2005) - environmentalist, animal liberationist<br>Canadian Action Party (founded in 1997) - Populist, Canadian Nationalist<br>Christian Heritage Party of Canada (founded in 1987) - Social conservative<br>Communist Party of Canada (founded in 1921) - Communist<br>Communist Party of Canada (Marxist-Leninist) (founded in 1970) - Communist/Marxist-Leninist influenced by Maoism and the ideas of Enver Hoxha<br>First Peoples National Party of Canada (founded in 2005) - Aboriginal rights advocacy<br>Libertarian Party of Canada (founded in 1975) - Libertarian<br>Marijuana Party of Canada (founded in 2000) - pro-marijuana legalization<br>Neorhino.ca (founded in 2007) - Joke party.<br>Newfoundland and Labrador First Party (founded in 2007) - Newfoundland and Labrador advocation<br>People's Political Power of Canada (founded in 2006)- Social Conservative, Populist<br>Progressive Canadian Party (founded in 2004) - progressive conservative, Red Tory<br>Western Block Party (founded 2005) - western separatist and ultraconservative<br>Work Less Party (founded in 2007) - Labour rights"<br><br>So yeah. Bet these guys are now gonna start hammering the MPs for deals to "represent" their party in a debate. Or perhaps next time now that the doors to political extremism has been open. Or Pandora's box I should say? I'm hoping now that voters will set matters straight by voting for the moderates. pah-hegh. <br>Well will shall see. The Conservatives were ahead last I checked so it seems so.<br><br>But anyway...<br><br>The Bloc and Reform had ELECTED candidates FIRST. Blair Wilson is not and elected green party member but was elected as a Liberal.<br><br>What this means now is that anyone could get elected as a Conservative or some other major party and then leave it to join a fringe party so that they can get an uneven kick start ahead of the others.<br>Its undemocratic for a reason. Miss May and Dion are subverting Democracy.<br><br>I shouldn't have to come and spell this out. But thanks to the CBC and other major networks not even bring this point up even though the other leaders did May is now gonna be in the debate.<br>Supposedly due to "public pressure". Pathetic... I bet there is more pressure against her being there but that the CBC and other MSM networks wouldn't want to cast to much attention on those details.... They do often like to be selective with such things. They keep cutting up Harpers important speeches up into 30 second spiels. Particularly on this issue of May's supposedly elected Green member.<br><br>The same goes for what the other leaders had to say on it.<br><br>So I've now been watching cpac online(pffft! cable TV? for what? other that then CPAC).<br>And getting the REAL news on the political scenes.<br><br>MSM is such garbage for the head.... I only watch to draw up comparisons of that exact point. I thought I heard of a PETA party. Guess that must of been provincial. I don't know I could be wrong.

“Other parties recognized by Elections Canada

Animal Alliance Environment Voters Party of Canada (founded in 2005) – environmentalist, animal liberationist
Canadian Action Party (founded in 1997) – Populist, Canadian Nationalist
Christian Heritage Party of Canada (founded in 1987) – Social conservative
Communist Party of Canada (founded in 1921) – Communist
Communist Party of Canada (Marxist-Leninist) (founded in 1970) – Communist/Marxist-Leninist influenced by Maoism and the ideas of Enver Hoxha
First Peoples National Party of Canada (founded in 2005) – Aboriginal rights advocacy
Libertarian Party of Canada (founded in 1975) – Libertarian
Marijuana Party of Canada (founded in 2000) – pro-marijuana legalization
Neorhino.ca (founded in 2007) – Joke party.
Newfoundland and Labrador First Party (founded in 2007) – Newfoundland and Labrador advocation
People's Political Power of Canada (founded in 2006)- Social Conservative, Populist
Progressive Canadian Party (founded in 2004) – progressive conservative, Red Tory
Western Block Party (founded 2005) – western separatist and ultraconservative
Work Less Party (founded in 2007) – Labour rights”

So yeah. Bet these guys are now gonna start hammering the MPs for deals to “represent” their party in a debate. Or perhaps next time now that the doors to political extremism has been open. Or Pandora's box I should say? I'm hoping now that voters will set matters straight by voting for the moderates. pah-hegh.
Well will shall see. The Conservatives were ahead last I checked so it seems so.

But anyway…

The Bloc and Reform had ELECTED candidates FIRST. Blair Wilson is not and elected green party member but was elected as a Liberal.

What this means now is that anyone could get elected as a Conservative or some other major party and then leave it to join a fringe party so that they can get an uneven kick start ahead of the others.
Its undemocratic for a reason. Miss May and Dion are subverting Democracy.

I shouldn't have to come and spell this out. But thanks to the CBC and other major networks not even bring this point up even though the other leaders did May is now gonna be in the debate.
Supposedly due to “public pressure”. Pathetic… I bet there is more pressure against her being there but that the CBC and other MSM networks wouldn't want to cast to much attention on those details…. They do often like to be selective with such things. They keep cutting up Harpers important speeches up into 30 second spiels. Particularly on this issue of May's supposedly elected Green member.

The same goes for what the other leaders had to say on it.

So I've now been watching cpac online(pffft! cable TV? for what? other that then CPAC).
And getting the REAL news on the political scenes.

MSM is such garbage for the head…. I only watch to draw up comparisons of that exact point.

]]> By: Taylor Cutforth http://www.stephentaylor.ca/2008/09/who-needs-the-msm-to-debate-new-media-brings-populism-to-political-coverage/comment-page-1/#comment-996 Taylor Cutforth Thu, 11 Sep 2008 21:48:47 +0000 http://www.stephentaylor.ca/?p=1099#comment-996 The problem with having the green party participate in the debates is that it sets a scary precedent.<br> <br>The reason the Reform party was able to be in the debates was that they had an elected member under THEIR banner through a by-election. Imagine the outrage if that didn't happen but instead they had a PC elected member join them and demand that their Reform leader joins the debates. This is subverting democracy in a way.<br>Cuz now Bob Rae can decide he's gonna join up with the Marxist party or some such so that THEY too may now be in the debates. (hypothetically.) Imagine how many parties we'll start having to include then.<br>Undemocratically. Imagine how this can potentially bog down the debates themselves. Though I'd be fore extending the length if that were to ever happen.<br><br>Just putting this out there.<br><br>PS<br>Future headlines:<br><br>Jason Kenny joins the Marijuana party after accepting a deal to become their new leader and spokes person for the 2012 debates!<br>I kid you, Obviously... but the possibility for similar nuttiness remain endless. The problem with having the green party participate in the debates is that it sets a scary precedent.

The reason the Reform party was able to be in the debates was that they had an elected member under THEIR banner through a by-election. Imagine the outrage if that didn't happen but instead they had a PC elected member join them and demand that their Reform leader joins the debates. This is subverting democracy in a way.
Cuz now Bob Rae can decide he's gonna join up with the Marxist party or some such so that THEY too may now be in the debates. (hypothetically.) Imagine how many parties we'll start having to include then.
Undemocratically. Imagine how this can potentially bog down the debates themselves. Though I'd be fore extending the length if that were to ever happen.

Just putting this out there.

PS
Future headlines:

Jason Kenny joins the Marijuana party after accepting a deal to become their new leader and spokes person for the 2012 debates!
I kid you, Obviously… but the possibility for similar nuttiness remain endless.

]]> By: pete e http://www.stephentaylor.ca/2008/09/who-needs-the-msm-to-debate-new-media-brings-populism-to-political-coverage/comment-page-1/#comment-954 pete e Thu, 11 Sep 2008 05:15:50 +0000 http://www.stephentaylor.ca/?p=1099#comment-954 The leaders' debate is becoming a tradition and, as such, is nearly impossible for any leader to miss. If it were replaced with ad-hoc online debates, front-runners would often ignore them. What's more having a single large-audience event allows reporters to ask questions that leaders might not answer in a less scrutinized setting. BTW the reporters have more accountability in the more formal setting as well. The leaders' debate is becoming a tradition and, as such, is nearly impossible for any leader to miss. If it were replaced with ad-hoc online debates, front-runners would often ignore them. What's more having a single large-audience event allows reporters to ask questions that leaders might not answer in a less scrutinized setting. BTW the reporters have more accountability in the more formal setting as well.

]]> By: North American Union - Not http://www.stephentaylor.ca/2008/09/who-needs-the-msm-to-debate-new-media-brings-populism-to-political-coverage/comment-page-1/#comment-19683 North American Union - Not Wed, 10 Sep 2008 14:25:00 +0000 http://www.stephentaylor.ca/?p=1099#comment-19683 I wonder why Harper is so scared of Elizabeth May. She's just a little girl. She won't beat Stephie up. At least not too bad. :-) I wonder why Harper is so scared of Elizabeth May.

She’s just a little girl.

She won’t beat Stephie up.

At least not too bad. :-)

]]> By: Robert V http://www.stephentaylor.ca/2008/09/who-needs-the-msm-to-debate-new-media-brings-populism-to-political-coverage/comment-page-1/#comment-927 Robert V Wed, 10 Sep 2008 13:47:26 +0000 http://www.stephentaylor.ca/?p=1099#comment-927 I think the Green Party should be included in the debate.<br>But I agree that any comparison to the Green Party or even the Bloc Quebecois is faulty.<br>Perhaps a more appropriate comparison would be to the National Party in 1993: same number of candidates, same level of voter support, also never having one a seat. <br>Of course, the National Party was also excluded from the debates ...... I think the Green Party should be included in the debate.
But I agree that any comparison to the Green Party or even the Bloc Quebecois is faulty.
Perhaps a more appropriate comparison would be to the National Party in 1993: same number of candidates, same level of voter support, also never having one a seat.
Of course, the National Party was also excluded from the debates ……

]]> By: stephentaylor http://www.stephentaylor.ca/2008/09/who-needs-the-msm-to-debate-new-media-brings-populism-to-political-coverage/comment-page-1/#comment-926 stephentaylor Wed, 10 Sep 2008 12:52:35 +0000 http://www.stephentaylor.ca/?p=1099#comment-926 Let me dust off the 2005 Paul Martin election rhetoric and unequivocally state that "I love Canada". Now that that's taken care of, I can say that I was rushed and it was the first Google result that came up. Also, I should say that I'm a fan of open markets and free trade and against protectionism. This has little to do with my choice of linking the .com vs the .ca but I've received better service, selection and faster delivery times from the .com. An item I once ordered from the .ca was out of stock and took six months of "we've ordered it, thanks for your credit card info" before they told me that they couldn't get the item. Let me dust off the 2005 Paul Martin election rhetoric and unequivocally state that “I love Canada”. Now that that's taken care of, I can say that I was rushed and it was the first Google result that came up. Also, I should say that I'm a fan of open markets and free trade and against protectionism. This has little to do with my choice of linking the .com vs the .ca but I've received better service, selection and faster delivery times from the .com. An item I once ordered from the .ca was out of stock and took six months of “we've ordered it, thanks for your credit card info” before they told me that they couldn't get the item.

]]> By: Gabby In QC http://www.stephentaylor.ca/2008/09/who-needs-the-msm-to-debate-new-media-brings-populism-to-political-coverage/comment-page-1/#comment-925 Gabby In QC Wed, 10 Sep 2008 12:34:06 +0000 http://www.stephentaylor.ca/?p=1099#comment-925 Agreed, and a discerning readership/viewership. <br><br>But ... not being tech savvy ... what would prevent someone from appropriating someone's logo or site, and impersonating that person? Or diverting traffic intended for someone's site onto his/her site.<br><br>For example, Steve Janke has a post about how googling "Stephane Dion" somehow redirects to a Jack Layton site. I don't really understand the process - my head space is limited ;-) - but some are calling that kind of move on Layton's tech team as brilliant. Personally, I call it dishonest and manipulative. So, people need to be even more vigilant than with traditional media. Agreed, and a discerning readership/viewership.

But … not being tech savvy … what would prevent someone from appropriating someone's logo or site, and impersonating that person? Or diverting traffic intended for someone's site onto his/her site.

For example, Steve Janke has a post about how googling “Stephane Dion” somehow redirects to a Jack Layton site. I don't really understand the process – my head space is limited ;-) – but some are calling that kind of move on Layton's tech team as brilliant. Personally, I call it dishonest and manipulative. So, people need to be even more vigilant than with traditional media.

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