Does Elizabeth May fundamentally agree or disagree?

One thing that we can all agree upon is that Elizabeth May talks too fast and this has got her into some trouble in the past surrounding her February 2007 comments on TVO’s The Agenda with Steve Paikin where she says “All the other politicians are scared to death to mention the word ‘tax’. And they think Canadians are stupid — and cannot — and I fundamentally agree with that assessment.”

As I mentioned in my interview on CBC, I was never of the mind that she had said “I” rather than “they” in the sentence where she says “they think Canadians are stupid”. What stunned me was the part where she said “and I fundamentally agree with that assessment”. I didn’t realize there was ambiguity over the pronoun until it was raised by other who saw my video and made comment over at Buckdog.

Now, as it has been confirmed, the audio was “they” but now May reveals that the real difference in interpretation was that she either meant “agree” or “disagree with that assessment”. In Steve Paikin’s Friday interview of May, the Green Party leader explains that she said “disagree”.

However, on Sunday’s CTV Question Period May has a different story that contradicts her explanation to Paikin. May said that she said “fundamentally agree with that assessment” in reference to another panelist who had made an observation that wasn’t recorded.

Most people that run for political office do it out of a love of service for their fellow Canadians. I do not doubt that May’s heart is in the right place. However, her reported off-hand comments after the panel discussion might reinforce for us another element of her thinking. She said “No I want [Hummer drivers] shot actually, jail is not good enough for them!” Of course, any reasonable person would understand that May was joking. However, some might interpret this as a streak of elitism in Ms. May. Some Canadians may get the impression that while she wishes to serve Canada, she likely thinks she knows what’s best for us.

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  • http://blog.paulmckeever.ca Paul McKeever

    Steven, thank you for posting the videos and bringing everyone’s attention to May’s Feb. 2007 remarks. I provide some more analysis here: http://blog.paulmckeever.ca/2008/09/15/elizabeth-may-youre-stupid-so-vote-green

    Ultimately, as it turns out, it does not matter what she actually said because – if we do as she recommends and read her writings – we can determine that, whether or not she came right out and said it, she believes Canadians (all human beings, actually) to be stupid. Do have a look. Perhaps it will give you some ideas for additional video content.

  • http://blog.paulmckeever.ca Paul McKeever

    Steven, thank you for posting the videos and bringing everyone’s attention to May’s Feb. 2007 remarks. I provide some more analysis here: http://blog.paulmckeever.ca/2008/09/15/elizabeth-may-youre-stupid-so-vote-green

    Ultimately, as it turns out, it does not matter what she actually said because – if we do as she recommends and read her writings – we can determine that, whether or not she came right out and said it, she believes Canadians (all human beings, actually) to be stupid. Do have a look. Perhaps it will give you some ideas for additional video content.

  • Beer and Popcorn

    Bam Bam:
    “The people being killed by climate change effects like Hurricane Katrina or Ike are generally of a different race. Telling lies to keep power to keep advantaging a very narrow sector of white suburban and rural oil industry workers in Alberta as even people on fixed incomes in Alberta are squeezed by the bubble’s pressure on housing, food and service prices. ”

    This is in my view the challenge with the Green movement – as soon as you folks pick up some momentum, you get greedy.

    It is a LIE that climate change has anything to do with Hurricane activity and vice versa. When you LIE to the voters you lose credibility.

    Everybody is on board with recycling, conservation, cleaning up lakes etc – these are tangible, cause and effect issues that there is widespread agreemeent on because you don’t have to sell the cause and effect.

    When the EXTREME GREEN movement LIES, thinking they will pick up momentum, you lose credibility.

    This lack of credibility and widespread LIES is why the Green movement is running out of steam.

  • Beer and Popcorn

    Bam Bam:
    “The people being killed by climate change effects like Hurricane Katrina or Ike are generally of a different race. Telling lies to keep power to keep advantaging a very narrow sector of white suburban and rural oil industry workers in Alberta as even people on fixed incomes in Alberta are squeezed by the bubble’s pressure on housing, food and service prices. ”

    This is in my view the challenge with the Green movement – as soon as you folks pick up some momentum, you get greedy.

    It is a LIE that climate change has anything to do with Hurricane activity and vice versa. When you LIE to the voters you lose credibility.

    Everybody is on board with recycling, conservation, cleaning up lakes etc – these are tangible, cause and effect issues that there is widespread agreemeent on because you don’t have to sell the cause and effect.

    When the EXTREME GREEN movement LIES, thinking they will pick up momentum, you lose credibility.

    This lack of credibility and widespread LIES is why the Green movement is running out of steam.

  • Gabby in QC

    “… That’s exactly what Alberta does to the rest of the planet. It’s an evil place. That’s all there is to it.”

    What hate-filled nonsense.

    It may help you to go hug someone, anyone, go hug a few trees … maybe it will restore some sembleance of kinship with the rest of the human race.

    My sincere condolences.

  • Gabby in QC

    “… That’s exactly what Alberta does to the rest of the planet. It’s an evil place. That’s all there is to it.”

    What hate-filled nonsense.

    It may help you to go hug someone, anyone, go hug a few trees … maybe it will restore some sembleance of kinship with the rest of the human race.

    My sincere condolences.

  • Roslyn

    If the truth be known I consider Elizabeth May to be the Canadian version of Sarah Palin. If both of them would put on an apron, go home and each bake an apple buy, both countries would be better off. I consider Elizabeh May our own special “Kook”. When I see her on TV, I shudder…she talks so quickly and says nothing of importance. I believe her scientific knowledge of global warming is flawed and she never has taken the time to study the subject but feels she is an expert. LOL

  • Roslyn

    If the truth be known I consider Elizabeth May to be the Canadian version of Sarah Palin. If both of them would put on an apron, go home and each bake an apple buy, both countries would be better off. I consider Elizabeh May our own special “Kook”. When I see her on TV, I shudder…she talks so quickly and says nothing of importance. I believe her scientific knowledge of global warming is flawed and she never has taken the time to study the subject but feels she is an expert. LOL

  • Gabby in QC

    Stephen … mea culpa.
    I corrected you, but I just made a spelling mistake in my previous comment: “semblance” not “sembleance.”
    Could you edit? If not … no problem.

  • Gabby in QC

    Stephen … mea culpa.
    I corrected you, but I just made a spelling mistake in my previous comment: “semblance” not “sembleance.”
    Could you edit? If not … no problem.

  • Kent Holland

    And what politicain in Canada doesn't think he/she “knows whats best for us”? They all treat us as imbeciles by trying to buy our votes with our own money through their election goody bags. What makes me truly sad is: we then vote for them which proves the point that we are imbeciles! Thus far, Ms May has yet to attempt to buy anything from me; I wonder if this is a factor of her party's extremely narrow scope, or, maybe that the Greens are not far enough along in their stategic development.

  • Dave

    I keep seeing posts about Climate Change being de-bunked, wrong etc and I am simply astounded.

    Shall we check the agree / disagree score ?

    In the “Climate Change is very real, very serious and requires immediate and bold action” column we have:

    UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (Climatologists from around the world)
    http://www.ipcc.ch/

    GE Corporation (Multinational)
    http://tinyurl.com/6xlyg5

    Shell Oil (One of the largest oil companies in the world)
    http://www.shell.com/climate/

    George Bush (president of the USA)
    http://www.whitehouse.gov/ceq/global-change.html

    The Arch Bishop of Canterbury
    http://www.archbishopofcanterbury.org/1366

    The Pope
    http://tinyurl.com/3rqcby

    And in the against column we have

    Nickname “Durward ” (reads and comments on spurious blogs)

    Well it was a close contest but I think the For's have it.

  • batb

    Thanks for the clarification, Stephen. When you write “I first posted the Youtube clip under my Youtube username 'stimpyloveseggs' on September 10th,” who would know?!!!

    That's why I was puzzled that Susan Ormiston stated that when the clip was posted to YouTube, “it went viral.” What seemed to make it go viral was the Green Party's threat to sue Leftdog's Buckdog Blog.

    Even if the timeline is accurate, it was nevertheless a convoluted piece, and though Susan Ormiston left it up to her viewers to decide what Eliza May said, she played the same clip a number of times in which it was clear that Ms. May said “…Canadians are stupid…and I agree with that assessment.” Ormiston doesn't even mention the DIS-agree controversy begun when Ms. May asserted that she had said “disagree,” though made it clear that YOU were the one who was “up to” “political tricks.”

    It also still remains for the Green Party to apologize to you for accusing you of doctoring the tape. That wasn't made clear by Ormiston either. Rather, the piece was ambiguous about who John Bennett apologized to. It wasn't you! But, again, who would know?!!!

  • Helen

    Anyone wanting to know more about Elizabeth May would do well to read Elaine Dewars 1995 book, Cloak of Green which, though somewhat dated, is an excellent expose of the environmental movement and Mays part in it. Now she comes across as your innocent, maiden aunt but, in reality she''s a dangerous idealogue.

  • Casual observer

    so for all those who were ranting tha the Greens MUST be in the debates for the LEADERSHIP of this country, how y'all liking this Eleizabeth May so far?

  • Anonymous

    Ms. May is a very obnoxious woman who is rude and talks incessantly no matter the subject. She should not interpret her being included in the debates as support from ordinary Canadians of her political platform. Canadians wanted her in the debate because it was a matter of fairness. However, I predict when she is included in the debates she will be seen as not fit to be elected nor any of her candidates because the Greens policies do not represent what Canadians believe to be the way forward.

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  • Couttscrossing

    For Elaine May to claim the King said to her “personally” he was outraged by Climate Change and it was more important than AIDS which affects over 70% of his population could not be true. The Dane caught it immediately that this U.S. educated “King” would never break with protocol and speak in such a manner. It has been rumoured that May, like so many other environmentalists have dangled a carrot…you back us on climate control and we will make sure you receive transfer payments WITH NO STRINGS ATTACHED. Of course, this did not happen at Copenhagen.

    When May was losing the debate it was evident what a churlish shrill woman she is. She started to attack her worthy debating opponents on a personal level. This demonstrates to the “stupid” Canadian voters that she is not worthy of any political position of power.

  • Couttscrossing

    For Elaine May to claim the King said to her “personally” he was outraged by Climate Change and it was more important than AIDS which affects over 70% of his population could not be true. The Dane caught it immediately that this U.S. educated “King” would never break with protocol and speak in such a manner. It has been rumoured that May, like so many other environmentalists have dangled a carrot…you back us on climate control and we will make sure you receive transfer payments WITH NO STRINGS ATTACHED. Of course, this did not happen at Copenhagen.

    When May was losing the debate it was evident what a churlish shrill woman she is. She started to attack her worthy debating opponents on a personal level. This demonstrates to the “stupid” Canadian voters that she is not worthy of any political position of power.

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